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 Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 9:59 am
Death_Angel_713 Dis Domnu Uzumaki_Naruto_fan4ever Dis Domnu Death_Angel_713 I don't really believe in dinosaurs because like it has been mentioned before, G-d created the earth, the animals and then the people. It never mentions dinosaurs, and besides, how could Adam and Eve live with the carnivores? I hope you know, dinosaurs are animals... Also, Adam and Eve, as well as us modern humans, all live with carnivores. Wolves, dogs, cats, bears, large fish, birds of prey, etc. Even if humans somehow managed to live with dinosaurs, it's unlikely that we'd be a primary food source, seeing as how the top predators were too big for a human to be sufficient food for. If dinosaurs did live with people then how come there is NOTHING written down about them except what scientists are currently finding out. Even if they only lived in the very beginning, some information would still have been passed down by word of mouth, and besides it does not make sense that, if they were living while other animals were around, they would randomly go extinct, and they could not have gon extinct when the flood occurred because Noah took two of EVERY animal on the ship with him (sorry a bunch of ideas randomly popped into my head at once; I have never believed in dinosaurs, but I have never exactly had to explain why and I did not realize it could be this complicated rofl ) I'm well aware that dinosaurs did not live at the same time as humans. My point was that "even if" they did, we would not have been a major food source. Dinosaurs went extinct before man existed as a species. There's absolutely no doubt about that. That places dinos between the creation of man (or leaving the garden) and the creation of earthly animals. The bible makes no mention of all animals surviving, or of all animals going extinct, and so arguing that point would be quite silly. Dinosaurs couldn't be extinct before the race of man because it says that G-d created the animals and then he created humans the next day. Dinosaurs are considered animals, so there is no possible way that the dinosaurs went extinct before the race of man was created. -sigh- Please read the previous posts. This was discussed already. Some of us, myself included, do not read the days of creation as literal days, but as vast tracts of time. If you read it as a literal day, then you are quite right. If you read it as a large amount of time, then the existence of dinosaurs is very plausible.
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Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 10:34 am
Dis Domnu Death_Angel_713 Dis Domnu Uzumaki_Naruto_fan4ever Dis Domnu Death_Angel_713 I don't really believe in dinosaurs because like it has been mentioned before, G-d created the earth, the animals and then the people. It never mentions dinosaurs, and besides, how could Adam and Eve live with the carnivores? I hope you know, dinosaurs are animals... Also, Adam and Eve, as well as us modern humans, all live with carnivores. Wolves, dogs, cats, bears, large fish, birds of prey, etc. Even if humans somehow managed to live with dinosaurs, it's unlikely that we'd be a primary food source, seeing as how the top predators were too big for a human to be sufficient food for. If dinosaurs did live with people then how come there is NOTHING written down about them except what scientists are currently finding out. Even if they only lived in the very beginning, some information would still have been passed down by word of mouth, and besides it does not make sense that, if they were living while other animals were around, they would randomly go extinct, and they could not have gon extinct when the flood occurred because Noah took two of EVERY animal on the ship with him (sorry a bunch of ideas randomly popped into my head at once; I have never believed in dinosaurs, but I have never exactly had to explain why and I did not realize it could be this complicated rofl ) I'm well aware that dinosaurs did not live at the same time as humans. My point was that "even if" they did, we would not have been a major food source. Dinosaurs went extinct before man existed as a species. There's absolutely no doubt about that. That places dinos between the creation of man (or leaving the garden) and the creation of earthly animals. The bible makes no mention of all animals surviving, or of all animals going extinct, and so arguing that point would be quite silly. Dinosaurs couldn't be extinct before the race of man because it says that G-d created the animals and then he created humans the next day. Dinosaurs are considered animals, so there is no possible way that the dinosaurs went extinct before the race of man was created. -sigh- Please read the previous posts. This was discussed already. Some of us, myself included, do not read the days of creation as literal days, but as vast tracts of time. If you read it as a literal day, then you are quite right. If you read it as a large amount of time, then the existence of dinosaurs is very plausible. I know, I did read the entire forum, but forgot about that conversation while typing this and a friend pointed it out to me after I had posted. And I do believe that it was just in 7 24-hour days.
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Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 11:13 am
Then we are at an impasse. Different interpretations of the same book.
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Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 7:06 pm
Uzumaki_Naruto_fan4ever shtolts tiger NanaoThrowsPetals Dis Domnu is right. The 'day' is probably not literally a 'day,' but a figurative use of the word. And just because the Torah doesn't talk about dinosaurs doesn't mean they didn't exist. Heck, Nanao bets Adam and Eve had a rollicking good time with those dinos! Hashem told us to keep the 7th day holy as the shabbat. if it was not 24 hour days, then whats the point in keeping shabbat as a 24 hour day? And if shabbat was 24 hours, then all the rest had to be also. So true. I also try to read the bible as literally as possible. If it mentioned just about every animal G-d created then why would it not mention dinosaurs? The Torah doesn't mention things that are not needed. I don't think a list of animals would be necessary. I still don't believe in dinosaurs though.
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Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 12:12 pm
It seems people are forgetting what has already been settled. So let me settle this for you all:
If you see the Torah literally, rather than symbolically, dinosaurs CANNOT have existed in just one day. It would be impossible for millions of years of development in that space of time. And were very sure humans never encountered dinosaurs because if we saw 30ft creatures that would destroy villages, towns or even cities like Jerusalem in hours, we would make records of them.
If you see the Torah symbolically, rather than literally, dinosaurs definately could have existed. The simple matter is, you can view the Creation period as either 7 days or 7 spaces of time. So in the space of time before humans, and Adam and Eve, dinosaurs could have eisted millions of ars, before beng ended rather abruptly with a giant rock hurtling through space.
Now, choose one or think of another and stop repeating stuff please!
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Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 4:16 pm
Death_Angel_713 Dis Domnu Uzumaki_Naruto_fan4ever Dis Domnu Death_Angel_713 I don't really believe in dinosaurs because like it has been mentioned before, G-d created the earth, the animals and then the people. It never mentions dinosaurs, and besides, how could Adam and Eve live with the carnivores? I hope you know, dinosaurs are animals... Also, Adam and Eve, as well as us modern humans, all live with carnivores. Wolves, dogs, cats, bears, large fish, birds of prey, etc. Even if humans somehow managed to live with dinosaurs, it's unlikely that we'd be a primary food source, seeing as how the top predators were too big for a human to be sufficient food for. If dinosaurs did live with people then how come there is NOTHING written down about them except what scientists are currently finding out. Even if they only lived in the very beginning, some information would still have been passed down by word of mouth, and besides it does not make sense that, if they were living while other animals were around, they would randomly go extinct, and they could not have gon extinct when the flood occurred because Noah took two of EVERY animal on the ship with him (sorry a bunch of ideas randomly popped into my head at once; I have never believed in dinosaurs, but I have never exactly had to explain why and I did not realize it could be this complicated rofl ) I'm well aware that dinosaurs did not live at the same time as humans. My point was that "even if" they did, we would not have been a major food source. Dinosaurs went extinct before man existed as a species. There's absolutely no doubt about that. That places dinos between the creation of man (or leaving the garden) and the creation of earthly animals. The bible makes no mention of all animals surviving, or of all animals going extinct, and so arguing that point would be quite silly. Dinosaurs couldn't be extinct before the race of man because it says that G-d created the animals and then he created humans the next day. Dinosaurs are considered animals, so there is no possible way that the dinosaurs went extinct before the race of man was created. Your basing your answer on faith not how things actual are. If you look at the fossil record at the k-2 boundary you see large deposits of iridium this separates the Cretaceous period with the Paleocene period which means a large impact and massive forest fires. We could go lower in rock layers and you will see no human traces, up to the a certain point. Earth existed long before life was.
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Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 9:08 pm
Considering Dinosaurs weren't really studied in detail until the late 18th century, lets see what a late 18th century monotheist said about them.
"The Good Lord, created these dinosaurs, turned them to stone, and buried them."
I think that still works here today.
So what's the argument?
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Posted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 9:18 pm
I believe that the days in the Creation were not days, but long periods of time.
That said, creatures of the sea, land, then human in that order fits perfectly with evolution. And yes, they did exist; you cannot fake fossils like that. The period in between days 5 and 6 was likely enormous. Only once man was around could "days" be actually be measured and recorded.
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Posted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 11:19 pm
SlamuelBTP I believe that the days in the Creation were not days, but long periods of time. That said, creatures of the sea, land, then human in that order fits perfectly with evolution. And yes, they did exist; you cannot fake fossils like that. The period in between days 5 and 6 was likely enormous. Only once man was around could "days" be actually be measured and recorded. I agree completely. A 'day' to G-d may have been millions, or perhaps billions, of years.
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Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 6:40 pm
LordNeuf Considering Dinosaurs weren't really studied in detail until the late 18th century, lets see what a late 18th century monotheist said about them. "The Good Lord, created these dinosaurs, turned them to stone, and buried them." I think that still works here today. So what's the argument? For some it's not knowing what those texts means. To me it's just using the text to suite your own needs, since they are so vague you can take them anyway you want, thus make your own truth out of them. Also the fact that the poll says, "believing" it's by no means a matter of that. It's a matter of accepting that they existed. Also the Greeks were the first to study fossil, along with the Chinese. Which, constitutes how we get some mythical animals from. We found them in temples as offerings, to god(s). They were often over looked due to their nature against gold and pottery, ect.
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darkphoenix1247 Vice Captain
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Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 3:39 pm
Angry Arm Chair ]For some it's not knowing what those texts means. To me it's just using the text to suite your own needs, since they are so vague you can take them anyway you want, thus make your own truth out of them. Technically, isn't that what all of us are doing? None of us were actually around for the writing of the Torah, and we don't know exactly what everything means. I think it's just interesting to hear how people interpret things- we can't say there's a "right" or "wrong" answer.
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Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 9:27 am
There's also the 19th century minister who said "Dinosaurs were placed on earth by Jesus to test the faithful."
Eddie Izzard has a good rant about dinosaurs in relations to biblical story..
"Blasphemy... Blas-for you... Blas-for everybody..."
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Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 2:49 pm
I do beleive in dinosaurs, but I think the question we have to ask ourselves is this:
Are there lizard men living under the north pole?
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Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 8:10 pm
countmecha I do beleive in dinosaurs, but I think the question we have to ask ourselves is this: Are there lizard men living under the north pole? I'm not sure, you might be thinking of Godzilla
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