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 Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 7:22 pm
[Ernie] PhaedraMcSpiffy Also: Feministing rocks my socks. Anyone read Full Frontal Feminism? Feministe and Pandagon are better blogs, IMO. FFF was okay, but I thought it was incredibly white heterosexual centric. She didn't mention transgender issues at all either. But I really, really liked her chapter regarding reproductive rights. She didn't beat around the bush (no pun intended) and sung the truths that have been ignored for so long loud and clear. Feministe is more off-topic and less.... I dunno, engaging? Interesting? And I just never read Pandagon for some reason. I love Valenti's smart but casual style. I don't think she meant it to be white-centric and heterocentric, it's just that that is her limited experience. And it sort of was directed at young women to tell them why feminsm is important. I wish there was a similar book for young men.
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Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 8:05 am
PhaedraMcSpiffy [Ernie] PhaedraMcSpiffy Also: Feministing rocks my socks. Anyone read Full Frontal Feminism? Feministe and Pandagon are better blogs, IMO. FFF was okay, but I thought it was incredibly white heterosexual centric. She didn't mention transgender issues at all either. But I really, really liked her chapter regarding reproductive rights. She didn't beat around the bush (no pun intended) and sung the truths that have been ignored for so long loud and clear. Feministe is more off-topic and less.... I dunno, engaging? Interesting? And I just never read Pandagon for some reason. I love Valenti's smart but casual style. I don't think she meant it to be white-centric and heterocentric, it's just that that is her limited experience. And it sort of was directed at young women to tell them why feminsm is important. I wish there was a similar book for young men. The problem I had was that she was only enumerating on problems for white, straight, cisgendered women. So in the end, it wasn't for women in general, even though that was her goal. Feminste and Pandagon tend to write longer, more in-depth posts that are really informative, but when you're not in the mood to read such long posts, it's easier to just skip them and come back later. Feministe has a larger variety of bloggers too. Have you seen RH Reality Check? It's a really good blog for reproductive rights, and Amanda Marcotte of Pandagon has a weekly podcast.
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Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 9:31 am
[Ernie] I've met lifers who, when it was brought up, said that this sort of thing wasn't relevant. I've also met a couple who genuinely didn't see why they should be concerned for born children. They said it wasn't their problem. Granted, the lifers who will openly admit such things are few and far in between...still. It's sickening. Everytime I have brought it up the pro-lifer says that being alive and abused is better than being aborted. Sick.
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Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 11:10 am
[Ernie] PhaedraMcSpiffy [Ernie] PhaedraMcSpiffy Also: Feministing rocks my socks. Anyone read Full Frontal Feminism? Feministe and Pandagon are better blogs, IMO. FFF was okay, but I thought it was incredibly white heterosexual centric. She didn't mention transgender issues at all either. But I really, really liked her chapter regarding reproductive rights. She didn't beat around the bush (no pun intended) and sung the truths that have been ignored for so long loud and clear. Feministe is more off-topic and less.... I dunno, engaging? Interesting? And I just never read Pandagon for some reason. I love Valenti's smart but casual style. I don't think she meant it to be white-centric and heterocentric, it's just that that is her limited experience. And it sort of was directed at young women to tell them why feminsm is important. I wish there was a similar book for young men. The problem I had was that she was only enumerating on problems for white, straight, cisgendered women. So in the end, it wasn't for women in general, even though that was her goal. Feminste and Pandagon tend to write longer, more in-depth posts that are really informative, but when you're not in the mood to read such long posts, it's easier to just skip them and come back later. Feministe has a larger variety of bloggers too. Have you seen RH Reality Check? It's a really good blog for reproductive rights, and Amanda Marcotte of Pandagon has a weekly podcast. *shrugs* I guess it was directed towards the women who are more afraid of being called feminists, then. The typical middle-class straight cisgendered white girl. I love RHReality check, but I can't hear the podcasts 'cause I'm on dialup.
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Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 12:19 pm
PhaedraMcSpiffy I love RHReality check, but I can't hear the podcasts 'cause I'm on dialup. I feel your pain. Dial-up was a nightmare. And yet, my parents still use AOL. WHAT. AngieAki Everytime I have brought it up the pro-lifer says that being alive and abused is better than being aborted. Sick. I've heard that too. You have to wonder if the people who say that even know what it's like to live in an abusive situation.
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Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 1:12 pm
Alright. I had a one on one PM conversation with one of the Lifers from the Gaia Guild and she basically said that they do care they just don't think it's relevant to dicuss it in a guild that focuses on Abortion. And the pro-life blogs are the same way.
((If your reading this and want me to change my wording lemme know.))
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Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 1:07 pm
LadyInWhite Alright. I had a one on one PM conversation with one of the Lifers from the Gaia Guild and she basically said that they do care they just don't think it's relevant to dicuss it in a guild that focuses on Abortion. And the pro-life blogs are the same way. ((If your reading this and want me to change my wording lemme know.)) I would actually be very worried if they did not care. >.O Considering how our guild is technically about abortion, and we end up posting things about human/women's rights all the time, I don't see why they wouldn't also post similar links on children's/infant's rights. But that's another thing... It's just that I wish all those lifers who go out and active work against abortion (passing out fliers, picketing, whatever) seemed to demonstrate that same level of... I don't know... care, or passion about protecting children as well. If they care so much about fetuses that they're willing to spend time, effort, and money for it, then shouldn't they care just as much about much about the children fetuses become, so that they also spend time, money, and effort to help and aid them too? Do they? Some do, I'm sure. But as for the majority... somehow, I doubt it.
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Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 1:10 pm
Reinna Astarel LadyInWhite Alright. I had a one on one PM conversation with one of the Lifers from the Gaia Guild and she basically said that they do care they just don't think it's relevant to dicuss it in a guild that focuses on Abortion. And the pro-life blogs are the same way. ((If your reading this and want me to change my wording lemme know.)) I would actually be very worried if they did not care. >.O Considering how our guild is technically about abortion, and we end up posting things about human/women's rights all the time, I don't see why they wouldn't also post similar links on children's/infant's rights. But that's another thing...It's just that I wish all those lifers who go out and active work against abortion (passing out fliers, picketing, whatever) seemed to demonstrate that same level of... I don't know... care, or passion about protecting children as well. If they care so much about fetuses that they're willing to spend time, effort, and money for it, then shouldn't they care just as much about much about the children fetuses become, so that they also spend time, money, and effort to help and aid them too? Do they? Some do, I'm sure. But as for the majority... somehow, I doubt it. See thats exactly where I was coming from and what promted me to ask the question in the first place! Especially the part I bolded because WE talk about things that are related so why wouldn't they? The Lifer said they do but I guess I don't see it. Oh well.
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Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 1:23 pm
Because it's counterproductive to abortion. If they showed so much care about the born kids, people would ask "Well, if this kid was abused so much because they were unwanted, why did you force their mother to give birth to them in the first place? Couldn't this all have been avoided?" You don't want to have to help kids post-abuse, you want to prevent it from happening in the first place. Forcing women to give birth to and keep children they don't want goes such a long way in doing that, after all...
Then there are also lifers who are rape apologists...decrying a case like this would fly in the face of their "omg she asked for it" philosophy.
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Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 11:18 pm
AngieAki [Ernie] I've met lifers who, when it was brought up, said that this sort of thing wasn't relevant. I've also met a couple who genuinely didn't see why they should be concerned for born children. They said it wasn't their problem. Granted, the lifers who will openly admit such things are few and far in between...still. It's sickening. Everytime I have brought it up the pro-lifer says that being alive and abused is better than being aborted. Sick. Every time I hear that I bring up a list of abused children who have committed suicide. Apparently they disagreed.
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