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 Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 5:41 pm
Morgey Solid Arm If this guy has some feud with God, then who are we to stand in his way? In a fight between average human guy and omnipotent deity, my money's on the one who can toss lightning bolts.
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Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 12:34 pm
I read the books and I'm still a Christian. It is Phillip Pullman's intent that kids read the books then doubt God exsists. They're good books though...
And the 'god' that dies in it isn't really God. And when he was attacking the Church... Which one was it? Protestant or Catholic? Pope Calvin?
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Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 6:48 pm
I like the books. They were good.
To me, books are different worlds, and there are different ways of life in them. I have felt this way from the moment I started listening to stories.
Pullman's story is a different world... not this world... It has never bothered me.
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Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 9:20 am
CrystalGazer I like the books. They were good. To me, books are different worlds, and there are different ways of life in them. I have felt this way from the moment I started listening to stories. Pullman's story is a different world... not this world... It has never bothered me. The stories were (at least partially) set in a different universe to ours, weren't they?
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Lieutenant Commander Data
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Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 11:49 am
Romana II CrystalGazer I like the books. They were good. To me, books are different worlds, and there are different ways of life in them. I have felt this way from the moment I started listening to stories. Pullman's story is a different world... not this world... It has never bothered me. The stories were (at least partially) set in a different universe to ours, weren't they? Well, they traveled between several, didn't they?
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Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 3:26 pm
I never liked the book, and its not because of the whole God issue, I just thought it was really boring... it just didn't make any sense to me. and the movie looks just as weird. I dunno I was just never interested in the whole thing...
I think most kids who see the movie aren't going to take it as a God thing, they're going to see it as another fantasy movie.
Whats terrible is that they're comparing it to the Lord of the Rings and The Chronicles of Narnia. Thats just ridiculous...
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Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 8:37 pm
Voldemort point two Romana II CrystalGazer I like the books. They were good. To me, books are different worlds, and there are different ways of life in them. I have felt this way from the moment I started listening to stories. Pullman's story is a different world... not this world... It has never bothered me. The stories were (at least partially) set in a different universe to ours, weren't they? Well, they traveled between several, didn't they? yeah ok... now in response to the whole Golden Compass is bad thing... it shoudln't be looked down upon, just because it was someone's opinion the bible isn't looked down upon because it teaches to believe in the one God So what if some guy didn't believe in God and thought people should consider their free will more important than blind faith... (not to diss religious people, i think faith can often be a beautiful thing... unless the person weilding it goes fanatacal and starts killing people because they are not converting) look at Veggie Tales. that show is ******** up. i saw an episode one morning at a friends house, not knowing it was run by fanatical christians, and the episode basically taught children that their religion is the best... you were only good and right if you believe in the lord.
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Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 7:05 pm
forgive me if i'm a little irked at the idea that we have to be "warned" that an author may not think highly of "God" (your God? certainly not my God). it's one thing to tell people, 'you know, i read about this and this is how i feel', and it's another to tell people, 'i suggest you don't go to this movie because the author wants to kill God'.
you know, as soon as a book is published, it doesn't matter what the intent of the author was, or the feelings of the author are. books are interpreted differently by everyone. the author cannot say you read his books wrong. the book is yours now, however you see it.
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Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 8:28 pm
whispering muffin Whats terrible is that they're comparing it to the Lord of the Rings and The Chronicles of Narnia. Thats just ridiculous... I know.. I don't see any books in general that can compare to Narnia and definitely can't compare anything to LotR... they are in a league of their own, and the books were really famous long before the idea of a movie version..
Anyways, I just cringe whenever I see that part of the trailer... ><;
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Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 1:30 pm
funny how they rated to movie pg-13, at least i think they did.
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Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 6:36 am
you shouldn't get me going about this because it really irks me when people go around assuming that something is going to indoctrinate everyone who sees/reads it just because of one persons interpretation I love these books and I think it's ridiculous to condemn them for having a negative attitude towards religion The Northern Lights is based around a world where the church has been abusing the power of organized religion and using it to do horrible things in the name of their beliefs, the book never says that this church is the Christian church, it is A church where the leaders have taken their power too far The Subtle Knife and The Amber Spyglass explore the idea of an organized religion itself abusing it's power. In these books it is revealed that the entity making himself out to be the creator in this FICTIONAL universe is not the true God, but the first angel who convinced all who came after him that he was the creator. Over the course of millions of years the first angel, the so called Authority, has grown old and feeble and his second in command, Metatron, has taken control in his name. The old Authority has been imprisoned to stop him from dying while Metatron abuses the power the Authority has. When the impostor Authority is allowed to die, as is natural, and Metatron and his followers are defeated it leaves the true "God" which is all around us in the air and in the earth to come forth and the tyranny of the false God ends. The God who is allowed to die, not killed, in these books is not God as Christians believe in him, he is an angel who acted in the same way many other imperfect beings would when presented with the opportunity to hold power, he grabbed it. In the books it is not God who is bad and who is allowed to die, it is the impostors who are using God's name for evil, and this allows for the love and beauty of the true God to be revealed. And since some blatantly Christian links are floating around, read  try reading something positive towards the book instead of basing your opinion on only other peoples negative interpretations I hope someone read that and as a result has decided to make their own decisions rather than blindly following others I believe that if someone is old enough see the religious themes in the books, then they are old enough to see the subtleties in the religion portrayed in the books, make their own informed decision and be strong in their beliefs, and for those children too young, the religion will go strait over their heads and it won't affect them in any way. When I first read The Chronicles of Narnia at a young age I completely missed the religious connotations, whereas now they are blatantly obvious and I still love the books, despite not being Christian by the way, I may not be Christian or follow any other organized religion, but I'm not an atheist and I do believe that there may be something out there, I just don't know what it is, so I just keep on living my life and try to do the right thing by my moral standards and not think about whether someone else approves or not
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Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 11:20 am
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Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 3:27 am
CrystalGazer I like the books. They were good. To me, books are different worlds, and there are different ways of life in them. I have felt this way from the moment I started listening to stories. Pullman's story is a different world... not this world... It has never bothered me. it is same for me heart books is my ecape from this boring world
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Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 3:15 pm
Drake Grayson Lemur9 I think you can write about killing God without saying people should want to kill God, just like you can write about God without saying that people should worship him. Nobody gets upset when writers mention God in their books, but as soon as someone incorporates killing God into a story, everyone gets all upset and goes "Oh, don't read that!" The US has an Amendment saying that everyone has the freedom of religion, but we make kids say "Under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance in school every day and we don't want them to read books that don't support God (like how some people are all upset about Harry Potter and "witchcraft" in it). The Golden Compass trilogy is awesome, and you shouldn't let some concern about problems with religion keep you from reading it or seeing it! In case you hadn't guessed, I'm an atheist. heart Okay, Drake, that's just plain offensive. Everyone's opinion matters. And, yet again, I second Slowtrain. He took the words right out of my mouth...
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Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 8:15 pm
Quote: The Subtle Knife and The Amber Spyglass explore the idea of an organized religion itself abusing it's power. In these books it is revealed that the entity making himself out to be the creator in this FICTIONAL universe is not the true God, but the first angel who convinced all who came after him that he was the creator. Over the course of millions of years the first angel, the so called Authority, has grown old and feeble and his second in command, Metatron, has taken control in his name. The old Authority has been imprisoned to stop him from dying while Metatron abuses the power the Authority has. When the impostor Authority is allowed to die, as is natural, and Metatron and his followers are defeated it leaves the true "God" which is all around us in the air and in the earth to come forth and the tyranny of the false God ends. The God who is allowed to die, not killed, in these books is not God as Christians believe in him, he is an angel who acted in the same way many other imperfect beings would when presented with the opportunity to hold power, he grabbed it. In the books it is not God who is bad and who is allowed to die, it is the impostors who are using God's name for evil, and this allows for the love and beauty of the true God to be revealed. the children are trying to help the false god not knowing who he is. they saw an angle trapped in a glass box and tried to help him by taking him out of the box and when the false god got free of the box his particles got scattered through space i do not see that as teaching people to kill god. rumors since when were rumors always true, point made.
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