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Grip of Death

PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 11:14 am


Well, I'm glad that you sound like you'll be a very focused, giving, caring parent. We could use more people with attitudes like you have in this world, because there are so many parents out there who don't really care about their kids, yet almost everyone feels entitled to breed/reproduce... it's certainly hard enough when there's people out there who feel like everyone *must* reproduce- the pro-lifers and religious fundies.

I see way too many kids being *loved* as pwecious baaaaabbiees, then when no longer cute are just dumped in the system- public schools and low-wage employment/military. >.<

It's nice that you work with kids before actually having kids... because you have a more realistic perspective and experiences towards raising your own. It probably should be mandatory that pre-parents volunteer and work with kids before making new ones.

No, human nature isn't very rational... but we DO have minds and can choose to go above biological "instincts" (which I think is a lot of junk science, anyway). And we can see, although not immediately feel how the entire planet is coping with our collective choices. It will be increasingly important to do so as competition for resources increases... there will be a point in time where humans can no longer afford the luxury of selfishly consuming and reproducing.

As for me, if I didn't have a lover now I would be more than happy to erase myself from the face of the Earth in especially a painless, physician-assisted way, but too many humans are opposed to ethical suicide no matter what. So instead, being vegan helps reduce a lot of my footprint.
PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 11:50 pm


Lord Setar
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LadyInWhite
"Who needs kids when you have cats!" is my favorite saying. whee

The way I see it, a cat gets you a better return on the whole "pitter-patter of little feet" situation... four feet per unit, instead of two! xd


Cats are also cute and fuzzy, and do awesomely crazy antics. My cat loves to chase after bugs, it's hilarious to watch her jump about six feet up to try and get a fly.


The sad thing is that my current apartment does not allow cats, but a baby? Of course!

I think that they should allow pets if they allow babies. Children are FAR more messy and destructive.

I am terrified of having children and having them hate me or be total assholes.

But I don't really think I'd ever be bored. There's just so much to do and teach and show a new person about the world. But then again, I'm very good at finding beauty in simplicity, and I can be pretty much entertained by almost anything, including wind, a sunset, or even a scent in the air.

Plus I'm terribly good with children and babies. People used to come to me to babysit all the time; I was HOUNDED with requests.

Not only did their kids beg for me to come back, but the parents found me to be mature, responsible, able to multitask, and I always read the kids stories before bed (or had them read). I really like kids and want them to be in my life, but I'm not sure if I can have that same impact vicariously or actually have to have a child of my own. *ponder*

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Fran Salaska

PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 6:45 am


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Grip of Death
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Grip, I agree that women need more education, but for SOME women (I don't know what percentage, I just know that I, and some other women I know) DO want children, and have worked with children before, and know it isn't a walk in the park... and we've decided that having children is good for US.

Broad generalizations tend to be too broad.


Why not adopt? There's lots of unwanted children out there even if the world has contraception and abortion, just as there are unwanted pets (which could also work as substitute "children", same with volunteering or working with kids). I know there are sentimental, emotionally-attached reasons for making new children, but I have *yet* to see a sound, logical argument for reproducing. Especially when considering the current and future possible state of Earth.

Having new children puts a strain on the planet, which I know is not pro-choice friendly a statement but I doubt that a parent has enough foresight to think about how little Johnny or little Emily will worry about having access to enough clean, pure water when they are 18.


Here's a logical statement: the point about emotions is that they're illogical. If you have yet to see a sound logical statement on why to have kids of your own, why not try applying that to anything else? Let's take love. It is sensible and logical to fall in love with someone who will treat you well, who brings stability to a relationship, someone who is your best friend. Do we do these things? Not necessarily. I mean, yes, people get married for those reasons, but don't necessarily fall in love for them. My relationship is stable, sure, but I can't tell you WHY I love my partner. I just do. He makes me happy for no reason at all, and I love being around him. No logic there. And there's no logic in why I want children, either. It's selfish and irrational - I think my country's going down the shithole, I hate the world today and I won't be in any sort of position to have children for five or more years. But I still want them.

Thinking that people should have rational reasons for doing everything they do is irrational all by itself. Human nature just isn't like that.


You said what I was thinking better than I could have, Seeing the Kraken... thank you

And also, you know what? I plan on adopting as well as having my own children. And one more thing- working with kids is NOT the same as having them. I work with children right now, and I know it isn't the same. Working with kids isn't making me less want to be a parent, it's making me want to be one MORE.


I'd love to adopt as well, actually... but I want to experience being pregnant. I just don't feel like I'd be quite the person I could without it. Maybe I'm just strange... I don't mean that as a slander to anyone who doesn't want kids, or will only adopt, but rather the way I am about my life means that I see everything as an experience, and I'd like to experience as many non-detrimental things as possible, and even some harmful things. Things like getting drunk are stupid things to do in my opinion, but that came at least partly because I tried it once. (Throwing up, hangover, now have difficulty eating lasagne and certain smells make me gag). Shortly put: I'll try almost anything once. If I decide after I've been pregnant once that I don't want to do it ever again, I'll adopt my second child. And I'd like to adopt minority children...

All that's a personal thing. Plus, Grip, I know we can rise above biology... but we don't necessarily have to. I try to reduce my own footprint at least somewhat by car-sharing a car with a little engine (I'm not sure what counts as a little engine in the US - someone tell me? But yeah, it's a 1.2l engine) or using public transport. I recycle. I no longer use tampons or pads (Mooncup <3). I do lots of things because of biology, though. I have sex, I bond with people, I'm social - all down to biology. If you just ignored all that, I think you'd be kinda inhuman. Nothing against asexual asocial beings or anything, but if you ignore all your biology then what's the defining point between your mind and a theoretical AI? I eat meat because I see little reason not to, and most of my choices are made on a pro and con basis. When it comes to love and reproduction , that's way more difficult to do.

Although I do think living off welfare (living off, not being on) or having loads of children, or driving huge cars - these are definitely luxuries people can very easily afford to let go with little to no reduction in quality of life. You can drive the kids around in a 1.4 smallish car just as well as in a ********' 3.2 4x4.

Also: two kids, because three is too many and has a middle child, and one I think would be lonely. I don't know how big the gap would be between the biological and the adopted kids - it may end up over a decade, because it's a lengthy and pricey process. So I'd have to wait for the resources, really.

I <3 all things resuable.
PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 5:32 pm


I hate hate hate HATE the mentality that two kids = OMG I NEED A HUGE GAS GUZZLING SUV OR MINIVAN.

Seriously. A small, cheap, easy to maintain car seats five people That's you, spouse/girlfriend/boyfriend/friend/hitchhiker, two kids, and one space left.

I hate SUVs. I'm glad my family mostly drive sedans.

Lord Setar


RoseRose

PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 6:54 pm


Lord Setar
I hate hate hate HATE the mentality that two kids = OMG I NEED A HUGE GAS GUZZLING SUV OR MINIVAN.

Seriously. A small, cheap, easy to maintain car seats five people That's you, spouse/girlfriend/boyfriend/friend/hitchhiker, two kids, and one space left.

I hate SUVs. I'm glad my family mostly drive sedans.


My fiance and I are planning on a hybrid. They fit five, and they save gas. If we can't afford one, we'll be going for a sedan. More than 2 kids, and we get a minivan.

And don't knock minivans like that. My friend's mom has a hybrid and a minivan. We used the minivan on Girl Scout trips (Why? We could fit the entire troop in it... as long as me and the two other biggest girls didn't all try to sit on the 3-person seat). The minivan got better mileage on the highway than the hybrid, though the hybrid does MUCH better in the city.

I agree about SUVs, though.
PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 2:08 am


What would you Americans call a small engine size? I'm actually quite curious about this now.

Apparently, lots of mums here have huge 4x4s because they "feel safer" in them. Maybe I'd feel safer IN one, but I sure as hell don't feel safe around them! I've seen what happens to cars that get into crashes with them. The 4x4 gets off lightly with a few scratches - your average car will be nearly totalled. Why? BECAUSE THEY ARE MEANT FOR ROUGH BUMPY LAND AND ARE REINFORCED WITH STEEL RODS. Yeah, I feel safe around them. stare

Fran Salaska


Peppermint Schnapps

PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 9:56 pm


Seeing the Kraken
What would you Americans call a small engine size? I'm actually quite curious about this now.

Apparently, lots of mums here have huge 4x4s because they "feel safer" in them. Maybe I'd feel safer IN one, but I sure as hell don't feel safe around them! I've seen what happens to cars that get into crashes with them. The 4x4 gets off lightly with a few scratches - your average car will be nearly totalled. Why? BECAUSE THEY ARE MEANT FOR ROUGH BUMPY LAND AND ARE REINFORCED WITH STEEL RODS. Yeah, I feel safe around them. stare

actually, SUVs aren't very safe. they roll over really easily and my mom told me she read somewhere that Hummers have weird head rests so if you crash you're more likely to die than you would be driving an average SUV. not to mention they get, what, 40 feet to the gallon?

i own a 1987 Cadillac DeVille, so i'm not doing so hot in the gas milage department, but it's the best i could get for my money's worth (only $1,000 and it's in excellent condition). if i hit an SUV with that damn thing i'd total the SUV and my car MIGHT be dented. good old American steel... xD
PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 4:08 pm


I don't want kids.
I don't want to gestate them.
Or give birth to them.
Or raise them.
D:

BUT.
My partner wants kids.

This'll be a tough one to work out, for sure.


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