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 Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 12:53 pm
Ah yes =). It makes perfect sense that you can leave the universe. You're comprehension is trying to state that the universe is the deepest of the deep. Who says this universe isn't exactly like earth's atmosphere? Just an orb keeping things in. Who says theres no something beyond the universe? I plan on 3D modeling my view of the possibilities in the Realm of Existence.
Also remember, those definitions are based on human understanding of the "universe".....when we haven't seen even 1% of this universe. We can barely even reach other planets in our own solar system of our own galaxy in a universe that is filled with millions of galaxies.
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Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 3:48 pm
And...I am done. This would be my representation of the theoretical "multiverse". Many different universes all existing within an Omniverse (aka: an all encompassing universe). All of these universes are slightly connected to one another, each has it's own "pre-life/afterlife" planes such as our universe would have astral and ect, those would as well have separate ones that also are slightly connected. Which, in this case, it would be possible to tap into the other universes, or even be incarnated to another universe. 
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Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 8:52 pm
Hmmm... Maybe the exiting of the universe is simply moving through along the 5th dimension [alternate realities]. Or maybe there's just two... Our universe, and the negaverse.
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Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 9:42 pm
[BlkCat] And...I am done. This would be my representation of the theoretical "multiverse". Many different universes all existing within an Omniverse (aka: an all encompassing universe). All of these universes are slightly connected to one another, each has it's own "pre-life/afterlife" planes such as our universe would have astral and ect, those would as well have separate ones that also are slightly connected. Which, in this case, it would be possible to tap into the other universes, or even be incarnated to another universe.
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Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 9:44 pm
lol the idea of the universes being connected maes sence, but it reminds me of that one cartoon with the kid and the ghost zones that are connected through portals.
>,> on a more serious note though, what would happen if we left our universe and then kept heading one direction in teh omniverse? would it eventualy go in an infinite loop?
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Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 8:23 am
Joshua_Ritter [BlkCat] And...I am done. This would be my representation of the theoretical "multiverse". Many different universes all existing within an Omniverse (aka: an all encompassing universe). All of these universes are slightly connected to one another, each has it's own "pre-life/afterlife" planes such as our universe would have astral and ect, those would as well have separate ones that also are slightly connected. Which, in this case, it would be possible to tap into the other universes, or even be incarnated to another universe. http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/6549/multiversebyblkcatsh4.jpg Think of it like Russian Dolls, you never know how many shells there are till you reach the core. I only chose the word Omniverse for this explanation because it's as far as my current theory goes, it's very possible that there would be yet another world outside of the "Omniverse" or it could be as fluffysteel mentioned, an infinite loop. I think Black Holes may be a possible explanation to this actually, they are rips and tears in the fabric of space/time and thus could very well be a rift to the omniverse. Of course physically it is completely impossible for any living being to survive the travel between universes (unless of course the omniverse is somehow outside the realm of time itself and even then it's pretty much impossible physically). Astrally however, or possibly in deeper planes, I think it would be far more possible, but still complicated, I really don't have an idea of how it would happen, I just think it's possible.
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Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 8:43 am
fluffysteel2 lol the idea of the universes being connected maes sence, but it reminds me of that one cartoon with the kid and the ghost zones that are connected through portals. >,> on a more serious note though, what would happen if we left our universe and then kept heading one direction in teh omniverse? would it eventualy go in an infinite loop? Very possible however you'd have to remember, just getting to Mars from Earth at it's shortest point would take about 7 months...and thats in our OWN Solar System. Mars is only about 62,137,119.2 miles as it's closest. Now lets go to the more...outer areas of our solar system, pluto...which at it's closest point is...2.67 billion miles from Earth. Also: http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/world/2007-08/25/content_6056119.htm WASHINGTON - American astronomers have stumbled upon a tremendous hole in the universe. That's got them scratching their heads about what's just not there. The cosmic blank spot has no stray stars, no galaxies, no sucking black holes, not even mysterious dark matter. It is 1 billion light years across of nothing. That's an expanse of nearly 6 billion trillion miles of emptiness, a University of Minnesota team announced Thursday. Now lets look at the stats of our entire Galaxy (note: Note our Solar System, our GALAXY) Wiki The galactic disk, which bulges outward at the galactic center, has a diameter of between 70,000 and 100,000 light-years.[16] The distance from the Sun to the galactic center is now estimated at 26,000 ± 1400 light-years, while older estimates could put the Sun as far as 35,000 light-years from the central bulge. Much......much....MUCH smaller than that massive void. Now, the distance from earth to mars at it's shortest point, in light years so it will help you grasp the distance I'm explaining here: 1.05702341 × 10-5 light years Times that by about....700,000 and theres the galaxy. Takes 7 months to travel earth-mars at this distance. Meaning...if I did my math right...at our current technology, it would take 403,333 years to get from one end of this galaxy to the other. You cannot live that long, period. Thus would have 0 chance of survive the billions and billions of lightyears it would take to leave the universe physically.
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Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 7:35 pm
[BlkCat] fluffysteel2 lol the idea of the universes being connected makes sense, but it reminds me of that one cartoon with the kid and the ghost zones that are connected through portals. >,> on a more serious note though, what would happen if we left our universe and then kept heading one direction in the omniverse? would it eventually go in an infinite loop? Very possible however you'd have to remember, just getting to Mars from Earth at it's shortest point would take about 7 months...and thats in our OWN Solar System. Mars is only about 62,137,119.2 miles as it's closest. Now lets go to the more...outer areas of our solar system, Pluto...which at it's closest point is...2.67 billion miles from Earth. Also: http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/world/2007-08/25/content_6056119.htm WASHINGTON - American astronomers have stumbled upon a tremendous hole in the universe. That's got them scratching their heads about what's just not there. The cosmic blank spot has no stray stars, no galaxies, no sucking black holes, not even mysterious dark matter. It is 1 billion light years across of nothing. That's an expanse of nearly 6 billion trillion miles of emptiness, a University of Minnesota team announced Thursday. Now lets look at the stats of our entire Galaxy (note: Note our Solar System, our GALAXY) Wiki The galactic disk, which bulges outward at the galactic center, has a diameter of between 70,000 and 100,000 light-years.[16] The distance from the Sun to the galactic center is now estimated at 26,000 ± 1400 light-years, while older estimates could put the Sun as far as 35,000 light-years from the central bulge. Much......much....MUCH smaller than that massive void. Now, the distance from earth to mars at it's shortest point, in light years so it will help you grasp the distance I'm explaining here: 1.05702341 × 10-5 light years Times that by about....700,000 and theres the galaxy. Takes 7 months to travel earth-mars at this distance. Meaning...if I did my math right...at our current technology, it would take 403,333 years to get from one end of this galaxy to the other. You cannot live that long, period. Thus would have 0 chance of survive the billions and billions of light years it would take to leave the universe physically. ~pertains nothing to the topic~ ~i was aware that the universe is really big. its like B.F.M form magic the gathering... 'it was big. it was really big. no, it was bigger then that. i mean, it was like juggernaut for jewelry big...'~ -Yeah, back to the topic!!- as big as that reveals the universe to be, thats not what the question was dude. i asked what happened if we left the universe and headed in just one direction? as for the astral planes part of that to my understanding the astral plain only consists of things so long as they are remembered, so the astral universe would then be a LOT smaller then the physical universe is... so now, theoretically, what would happen if one were to astral project into a black hole? would there astral essence/soul/whatever be destroyed? and what would it be like to cover the huge expanses of nothingness in the astral plain? your theory on how the universe has holes and stuff that bridge it together makes perfect sense in that matter(and many others) that the universe would make shortcuts to enable one to pass through the vast nothingnesses. PS: you may have noticed i spelled a few big words i normally would misspell. smile i got Firefox after i beat on my computer mentally trying to figure out what was wrong with it. apparently some garbage with the java scripts and unauthorized downloads/publishers...
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Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 3:05 pm
Of course infinity exists... we needn't look at the universe to see infinity.
So I shall go to mathematics, as I am wont to do.
First, there is the infite set of all real numbers. It is infinite because there is no end to the numbers contained within the set.
Within that set, would be the infinite set of integers (whole numbers), and within that the two sets of positive and negative integers.
Stepping back a bit. From 0 to 1, there are an infinite amount of irrational numbers. So within all real numbers, there is further evidience of infinity.
Not to mention imaginary numbers.
Now... when applied to physical systems, the incredibly small changes are of little consequence... but it does still make an infinitesimal diffrence.
I mean... Reimann sums/integration work by the idea of adding those infinitely small segments of "change" together.
I say that it should have been explicitly stated at the start that what was meant was "infinitely large" not just "infinity." Especially considering the fact that size is relative.
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Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 3:25 pm
Khalida Nyoka Of course infinity exists... we needn't look at the universe to see infinity. So I shall go to mathematics, as I am wont to do. First, there is the infite set of all real numbers. It is infinite because there is no end to the numbers contained within the set. Within that set, would be the infinite set of integers (whole numbers), and within that the two sets of positive and negative integers. Stepping back a bit. From 0 to 1, there are an infinite amount of irrational numbers. So within all real numbers, there is further evidience of infinity. Not to mention imaginary numbers. Now... when applied to physical systems, the incredibly small changes are of little consequence... but it does still make an infinitesimal diffrence. I mean... Reimann sums/integration work by the idea of adding those infinitely small segments of "change" together. I say that it should have been explicitly stated at the start that what was meant was "infinitely large" not just "infinity." Especially considering the fact that size is relative. I'm putting that in the first post surprised
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Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 4:39 pm
Khalida Nyoka Of course infinity exists... we needn't look at the universe to see infinity. So I shall go to mathematics, as I am wont to do. First, there is the infite set of all real numbers. It is infinite because there is no end to the numbers contained within the set. Within that set, would be the infinite set of integers (whole numbers), and within that the two sets of positive and negative integers. Stepping back a bit. From 0 to 1, there are an infinite amount of irrational numbers. So within all real numbers, there is further evidience of infinity. Not to mention imaginary numbers. Now... when applied to physical systems, the incredibly small changes are of little consequence... but it does still make an infinitesimal diffrence. I mean... Reimann sums/integration work by the idea of adding those infinitely small segments of "change" together. I say that it should have been explicitly stated at the start that what was meant was "infinitely large" not just "infinity." Especially considering the fact that size is relative. Depends on what you mean by "exists", I guess. You can have three objects, but never 'three' on its own, and you can have red hair, but never the colour red on its own. Contrarywise, you can have happiness, but it's intangible. Does that make it nonexistant, or would its existence be defined as "a human body during the state of happiness"?
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Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 5:55 pm
Mitsh Khalida Nyoka Of course infinity exists... we needn't look at the universe to see infinity. So I shall go to mathematics, as I am wont to do. First, there is the infite set of all real numbers. It is infinite because there is no end to the numbers contained within the set. Within that set, would be the infinite set of integers (whole numbers), and within that the two sets of positive and negative integers. Stepping back a bit. From 0 to 1, there are an infinite amount of irrational numbers. So within all real numbers, there is further evidience of infinity. Not to mention imaginary numbers. Now... when applied to physical systems, the incredibly small changes are of little consequence... but it does still make an infinitesimal diffrence. I mean... Reimann sums/integration work by the idea of adding those infinitely small segments of "change" together. I say that it should have been explicitly stated at the start that what was meant was "infinitely large" not just "infinity." Especially considering the fact that size is relative. Depends on what you mean by "exists", I guess. You can have three objects, but never 'three' on its own, and you can have red hair, but never the colour red on its own. Contrarywise, you can have happiness, but it's intangible. Does that make it nonexistant, or would its existence be defined as "a human body during the state of happiness"? Interestingly enough in some doctor's offices, they try to make a scale of happiness and sadness/depression. Often it is a numerical scale. More importantly: It is good you understand that the numbers only matter when they are in context. Every number used in math or science is used to show the amount of something... they always have units. That said, I can still say that the infinite exists, but still on terms of the infinitely small. I can make no promises and such about the large.
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