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Headhunter
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 9:06 pm


I was doing my daily internet cruising when I came across this very interesting article on MSNBC.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21115130/wid/11915773?GT1=10514

I always find this topic to be an interesting one, controversial to many though it may be. You can click the "Allday Blog" link right after the article to read other people's thoughts, but I'd like to know what you all here think about this, especially those of you who are already parents.

If this is something that divides us like North and South, I'm sorry in advance sweatdrop
PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 10:24 pm


I guess my first reaction is, "so, what's the big deal?"Basically I've done close to the female equivalent (and would have had a whole historectomy if it weren't such a difficult procedure) among the reasons being I don't want kids. I have a few friends who feel the same way. I guess I think it is a responsible decision if you don't want to have kids. They are taking steps to insure no unwanted pregnancy, in the only way they can apart from abstanence. Some people know, from early on that they don't want kids, for whatever reason. If it is something that would be considered a 'deal breaker' in a relationship, better to find that out now then when there is an unwanted pregnancy.

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AntoniaMerEnfant

PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 11:03 pm


I honestly didn't see the controversy. I was, however, irked by the "psychotherapists" response on the blog- what nerve.

In my opinion people who want children shouldn't be forced into the idea. Resentment makes for bad parents. Not to say people don't fall in love with the kids who were hesitant to have them, but not everyone finds that bond.

I think preventing conception to begin with is a more responsible method than aborting the child, or giving it up for adoption (I'm all for adoption, but I am sure that we can always make more children to be adopted if need be. Unplanned pregnancy will always be among us). Too many kids in this society are already unwanted or unloved.

I do not see the decision to not have kids as narcissistic in the least. Being a parent is hard work, and it takes skill. Being a parent takes love, discipline, wisdom, and PATIENCE. We all have our place in society, and for some of us that may not include being parents. Some people are better parents than others, but those of us who choose to be childless can redirect our energy elsewhere. We can help parents by devoting our lives to being medical personnel, educators, therapists, law enforcement (grumble), the soldiers defending our land, the people who grow the foods we eat, the people who build our places of shelter, ok, you get the picture.

I don't think child bearing is our soul gift to society--especially if the quality of our entering into parenthood is less than stellar. I don't think I'll ever get to the point of marriage (I'm sort of impaired at keeping a guy around for longer than a year tops). And for me, growing up with the lack of a dad, I don't want my kids to miss out on a dad. The end result? No kids in my future as far as I can tell. But I know that I can help my community to help the care of other peoples kids-- to make this world a better place! After all (you may groan) it takes a village to raise a child.
PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 12:16 am


It's funny you should post this since my roommate and I had a short conversation regarding it earlier in the day. We basically agreed that journalists and news reporters have completely run out of anything useful to report on.

I don't see why it is a big deal that this guy wanted to get a vasectomy. If the guy doesn't want kids, he has every right to get the procedure done. And at 28, it isn't as if he isn't old enough to know what it is he does or doesn't want. And if he changes his mind in the future, he can attempt to get it reversed (which it sometimes does naturally. I have a friend who was a vasectomy baby) or adopt.

I think the only reason this made news is because he's going against the normal ideology of the perfect family.


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AntoniaMerEnfant

PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 12:39 am


Reichiru Tomoe
It's funny you should post this since my roommate and I had a short conversation regarding it earlier in the day. We basically agreed that journalists and news reporters have completely run out of anything useful to report on.

I don't see why it is a big deal that this guy wanted to get a vasectomy. If the guy doesn't want kids, he has every right to get the procedure done. And at 28, it isn't as if he isn't old enough to know what it is he does or doesn't want. And if he changes his mind in the future, he can attempt to get it reversed (which it sometimes does naturally. I have a friend who was a vasectomy baby) or adopt.

I think the only reason this made news is because he's going against the normal ideology of the perfect family.


Well put!

-Inappropriate side note- I love your signature- LOVE IT! Sorry, the Bowie got his pretty on in Labyrinth, totally classic.
PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 3:03 am


I agree with everything that has been said -if he doesn't want kids, that's his choice, he's not being sneaky and having one without telling his significant other, he doesn't have a significant other! They're his bits to decide what he wants to do with!

My first thought was, what if he changes his mind in a few years, but it sounds like reversing the operation isn't a problem, so the whole thing really isn't a big deal at all! I wonder what made him decide to do it though. If it's because he wants to sleep around without anyone getting pregnant, then there is still the STD issue, I just don't know why you'd put yourself through surgery when you have the option not to. I'd only do it if I needed to because I was having some kind of problem in that particular area.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 6:30 am


Finally people who aren't going to give the 'knowing smirk' and the "Yeah, that's what I thought when I was your age" BS. I'm 23 and want a Vasectomy, so this Guy doesn't surprise me. The attention he's getting, however, does.
PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 6:47 am


Yes, I agree its his decision and the attention is way over done.

I am the last to carry on my name, and for me its not an option. I don't know him, so I cannot say anything against that decision even being in the same shoes as me. I was a little offended by the whole it being selfish thinking of legacy. Beyond that I can't argue against him.

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kekadu
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 1:13 pm


I agree too...I think it should be their choice. If they end up changing their mind later, they could adopt too (there are plenty of kids out there waiting for a family).
It's kind of cool that guys are realizing that they have more control over their own bodies and reproductive capabilities nowadays and aren't afraid to exercise what they want for themselves...

It's interesting that women have birth control now that makes it so they can never have their period (or only have it every 4 months), but then later if they want they theoretically can stop and have children. I'd like to see some sort of option like that for men, too, though who knows how they might feel about having to take a(nother) pill every day (maybe we could have a man patch!).
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