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Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 7:03 pm
Joshua_Ritter Ok, I want to make this harder than it is. Can you define a soul? What are it's properties, and what does it interact with? Bonus points if you can tell me where it comes from, what it does, and where it goes, and convince me. Pull some reasoning skills. hm... well i dont know if your asking me or asking in general but if i had to say it, i would say that a soul is what runs the body. its what alows us to move, to feel. i dont mean feel as in like hardwood or cold, i mean things like... love, anger, and sad. the soul is how we can 'work' as a whole. the soul allows us creativity.... like, our brain allows us to think, but without the soul the thoughts wouldnt be cognative and would be jumbled so we wouldnt be able to function.
thats not exactly the best wway to word it, but its the best i can do at this moment. sweatdrop ill try again later maby?
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Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 7:06 pm
MikeeBoi1029 Vixen13 See now, proving Otherkin is a silly thing to request. Mainly because one can't prove a soul. So if you can't prove a soul, how could you prove a difference between them? If there's no solid way to determin size, shape, look, feel, temperature, so on, of a soul then how could you tell a difference at all? That all lies in belief. read that.. i did read it. i also typed it, though worded diffrently, through this thread a few times.
Quote: and besides that if someone were to decide they are otherkin because they feel their aura (or soul or whatever it is you feel thats diffrent when your otherkin) is diffrent, how would they go about justifying that? if its indeed the soul that has the diffrence in feeling then they wouldnt be able to tell if it feels like a dog or like a humans because to my awareness its impossible to feel someones soul (wouldnt that be grand, a bunch of young people punching eachothers souls )...
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Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 3:09 am
Well, the only person you have to prove it to is yourself. If you have a different conotation for the word belief, then look at it this way: When you've got just enough proof to make a decision, it's that gut feeling that tips the scale. That little voice in the back of your mind, begging you to think about it, just one more time. There's plenty of ways you can prove it to yourself. You just have to be ready to accept your decision. When you're sure of something, other people (who understand what you're talking about) will be sure as well.
And as for the mental disorder thing, I was stating more for he argument of "Otherkin gone bad." Either wishkin overobsessed, or Otherkin who's too off to understand what they're doing. More severe cases.
In all honesty, I think you're over-diagnosed, from what I can tell. I think you're so afraid of what you believe you SHOULD be thinking, that you've lost control over what you KNOW. So what if you work different from the observed norm? Everyone's acting anyways. And so are you. Chill out. Take a breath. You can't divine anything about yourself if you don't think about it the way you were meant to. It will always seem off to you.
But hey. I could be dead wrong. I'm just saying that's my observation and my oppinion of the matter if I'm right.
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Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 7:08 am
fluffysteel2 MikeeBoi1029 Vixen13 See now, proving Otherkin is a silly thing to request. Mainly because one can't prove a soul. So if you can't prove a soul, how could you prove a difference between them? If there's no solid way to determin size, shape, look, feel, temperature, so on, of a soul then how could you tell a difference at all? That all lies in belief. read that.. i did read it. i also typed it, though worded diffrently, through this thread a few times.
Quote: and besides that if someone were to decide they are otherkin because they feel their aura (or soul or whatever it is you feel thats diffrent when your otherkin) is diffrent, how would they go about justifying that? if its indeed the soul that has the diffrence in feeling then they wouldnt be able to tell if it feels like a dog or like a humans because to my awareness its impossible to feel someones soul (wouldnt that be grand, a bunch of young people punching eachothers souls )... that was in responce to josh
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Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 8:25 am
MikeeBoi1029 Vixen13 See now, proving Otherkin is a silly thing to request. Mainly because one can't prove a soul. So if you can't prove a soul, how could you prove a difference between them? If there's no solid way to determin size, shape, look, feel, temperature, so on, of a soul then how could you tell a difference at all? That all lies in belief. read that.. Ok, that makes sense. So unless anyone has any, lets ignore scientific or empirical evidence and focus more on "Why do you think/know a soul is there." I know it's a matter of belief. But what makes you believe? What do you believe in? I've never known anyone who had no idea of the nature of what they believed in. Even if they believed in the Unknown, they'd have a conception of that they could explain.
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Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 11:20 am
Joshua_Ritter MikeeBoi1029 Vixen13 See now, proving Otherkin is a silly thing to request. Mainly because one can't prove a soul. So if you can't prove a soul, how could you prove a difference between them? If there's no solid way to determin size, shape, look, feel, temperature, so on, of a soul then how could you tell a difference at all? That all lies in belief. read that.. Ok, that makes sense. So unless anyone has any, lets ignore scientific or empirical evidence and focus more on "Why do you think/know a soul is there." I know it's a matter of belief. But what makes you believe? What do you believe in? I've never known anyone who had no idea of the nature of what they believed in. Even if they believed in the Unknown, they'd have a conception of that they could explain.I think this idea of the soul came up in my philosophy class when we were discussing precisely what it was that made us the same person as the person in a photograph of ourselves 10 years ago. It wasn't the body, since over approximatelyseven years, all the cells in the body are replaced by new ones (although I personally debate that one, because of fingerprint identification in adults); it's not memory, since that would mean anyone with amnesia is a completely different person than who they were before the crash, despite being biologically similar, as well as the fact that few of us can remember being two months old. I think the soul is the "I" - it's nonphysical in the same way the mind is (you can point to chemicals that react during thought processes, but never the actual thoughts you're having, for example).
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Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 6:17 pm
Joshua_Ritter Ok, that makes sense. So unless anyone has any, lets ignore scientific or empirical evidence and focus more on "Why do you think/know a soul is there." I know it's a matter of belief. But what makes you believe? What do you believe in? I've never known anyone who had no idea of the nature of what they believed in. Even if they believed in the Unknown, they'd have a conception of that they could explain. Well... it's not exactly easy to describe this... When I was a kid, there was a certain point in time that I met where... um... If you've heard of the one idea that life is a dream... and there is just one dreamer that made everything, I would have the thought that I would be a dreamer, or have somehow become detached from the initial dream itself... And by a dreamer I mean that the world, yes, might be a dream, but then I think that other people are responsible for their self or a group. It's a side thought though... I only come to it when I'm thinking hard on similar subjects. sweatdrop But what my point is... the reason I come to it is that... well, it's so impossibly hard to describe this, because anyone could just claim the exact same thing. It also makes me feel like an idiot for even trying to discuss it... but... what the idea is that, well, you know how in a video game we'll assume you see through their eyes... everything happens around them, but you can't know what's going on unless you're there? Or, you feel the emotions of the character? Sometimes it just feels like you're the only one real? It's sort of like that. sweatdrop Which, thinking about the previous that just anyone could end the discussion with a "oh, me too", I don't even try to make claim to it. Although it confuses the hell out of me... I know that a person can't be in two places at once, or all over... but is it too weird to say that the only perspective I see is just from myself here? Further on though... I mean, sure, it's probably hard to think that thoughts and everything are only chemical reactions through some organ in the body. I can understand like, hunger and feeling of things... but what about complex reasoning... even learning? It just confuses me. To "agree" though, I state things in the sense that something is correct in relation to the subject, such as " according to astronomy, we are made of "star dust" in the sense that it's logical that all elements come from star processes of consuming fuel and making other elements, then exploding". To me then... it would also have me believe that just according to my beliefs... people have a soul. I can't really perceive an absolute end. I can perceive death... but... I can't really see just an end to anything when someone dies. It's like, they go somewhere else. Plus... I think I've heard it said about the idea of conservation of energy... where do they go? Although, I'm pretty sure someone could think of some sort of counter to that. sweatdrop I'd actually be rather shocked if there were anything discussion worthy of this post... and not just complete dismissal. eek
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Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 8:25 pm
um.. by any chance did a mod or somethign delete a post i made? i typed it out adn posted it and went back about an hour ago and it was tehre, but now its gone... ill repost it but if someone deleted it becuase its against rules or something then please tell me ahead of time.
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Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 8:34 pm
Vixen13 Well, the only person you have to prove it to is yourself. If you have a different conotation for the word belief, then look at it this way: When you've got just enough proof to make a decision, it's that gut feeling that tips the scale. That little voice in the back of your mind, begging you to think about it, just one more time. There's plenty of ways you can prove it to yourself. You just have to be ready to accept your decision. When you're sure of something, other people (who understand what you're talking about) will be sure as well. And as for the mental disorder thing, I was stating more for he argument of "Otherkin gone bad." Either wishkin overobsessed, or Otherkin who's too off to understand what they're doing. More severe cases. In all honesty, I think you're over-diagnosed, from what I can tell. I think you're so afraid of what you believe you SHOULD be thinking, that you've lost control over what you KNOW. So what if you work different from the observed norm? Everyone's acting anyways. And so are you. Chill out. Take a breath. You can't divine anything about yourself if you don't think about it the way you were meant to. It will always seem off to you. But hey. I could be dead wrong. I'm just saying that's my observation and my oppinion of the matter if I'm right. i never said what i think is what i think i should think becuase thinking what i think isnt necessarily thinking the way i think i should think. wink
i have to say it though, your missing the entire point of the thread. i said it a few times repededly, but maby itll stick better comeing form someone higher up in the guild then myself.Pageantry And I mean solid. Not just some website that insists that Indigo Children are real. After all, there are websites out there that insist that the Flying Spaghetti Monster is actually real. However, the existence of people declaring it to be true honestly doesn't make it any more real than an idea. neutral ((And just for the record, the IPU could totally pwn the FSM any day of the week. cool )) also, sorry about the misunderstanding mikeboii
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Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 3:31 am
aaarhus: It's not that it's unworthy, just utterly confusing. o.O *points* You rambled a bit... and a bit is used as the loosest of terms. xp Now worries, I do that all the time myself. We should work on that. @.@'
fluffysteel2: Pardon moi, next time I won't progress with a conversation while in your thread.
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Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 6:24 pm
Vixen13 aaarhus: It's not that it's unworthy, just utterly confusing. o.O *points* You rambled a bit... and a bit is used as the loosest of terms. xp Now worries, I do that all the time myself. We should work on that. @.@' fluffysteel2: Pardon moi, next time I won't progress with a conversation while in your thread. its not that you were converseing in the thread, it was just that in response to what was being discussed, you replied with somethign completely missing the point.
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