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 Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2007 12:36 pm
I also have a dispute with this.. "temp ban" thing. How am I (or anyone) ever gonna learn my lesson if I'm only banned for one day? I suggest temp bans be week long. Or even a month. ---------------------------- I have a dispute with this "deleting" and/or "editing" someone's posts as a so-called remedy to the problem. It solves nothing. Stick to slapping wrists and handing out temp bans. ------------------------------ I also would like to congratulate all of you for a fantastic arguement session. I have never laughed so hard... in a long time. Not since Ryu Versher's "Did someone say thick a**?" If you have not given yourselves a pat on the back.. I am disputing your refusal to do so. ------------------------------- Finally, I have a dispute with people threatening me. Don't threaten Reiko.  I've been banned twice within almost two weeks. And I actually promote my own punishments. It should be obvious that scare tactics will never be effective.
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Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 3:42 pm
Now I have two disputes.
1.) Why was I banned for posting the following dispute?
2.) Why is there rarely any action taken against Akira when he insults me? Handled.
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Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 9:26 am
Chris Custard Why was I banned for posting the following dispute? Maximos Chris Custard Ryugi you're an idiot. This is a place for fighting.
Emotional RP is secondary.This dispute can and will be handled without insults, or unnecessary and entirely unproductive snide comments. Its those sort of comments that lead to this thread being locked to begin with. That sort of behavior isnt allowed in the OOC thread when things are not serious, and it wont be allowed here. As Joshua stated everyone is allowed and encouraged to put in their two-cents. But no member arguments will be allowed any more than the in crew arguments. Underlined above you can see where you each stated your opinion on the matter. The additional clearly offensive comments will not be tolerated. This is as per the guild rules. Way of the Leviathan Never offend other Guilds|Fellow members|Peoples even if they are making offensive comments about you or us. Way of the Leviathan 7. Threads should not devolve into flamewar. Constructive criticisms are both allowed and welcomed. Inciting or encouraging such activity will not be tolerated. Way of the Leviathan If you are one of the Leviathan members never personally offend other Leviathan members. If someone in our Guild does this to you try to resolve the problem yourself using a private chat via MSN or AIM. If you feel that a problem is beyond your independent resolution consult with the Moderators. Trust us, we will find a way to deal with it. As I stated you were in violation of the above quoted rules. Joshua acted on the violation.
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Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 1:36 pm
he's asking why he was banned for bringing awareness to the lack of action taken when akira talks about him.
unless you're saying that it's unrelated and just a late punishment for chris's talking about ryugi.
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Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 2:20 pm
"Why aren't you bringing the hammer down on Akira?" is considered a grief post. themightyjello All of you, the next person I see spam pointless blather in this thread is getting a 24 hour temp-ban. Think of this as the first warning before repercussions come into effect. This also applies to petty insults sheepishly disguised as actual comments. Keep it clean, or you're going in the penalty box. Unfortunately, he was the next person. I also deleted Enki's post and locked the thread following that.
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Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 9:53 am
So... asking for the mods to enforce the rules is considered a grief post?
Does anyone else think that's ridiculous?
I would've complained about how Kraun was letting people insult Akira, too, if I had been there. Would I have been banned for that too?
I like the way you've tried to word it as though I was being unreasonable too. My actual dispute was much closer to "Why is there never any action taken against Akira?" than what you said.
Unfortunately, you deleted the post before any of the other mods saw it, which seems a little Dictator-esque IMHO, but whatever.
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Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 4:57 am
.Antique Heartbeat. Will you please shut the hell up?
I asked nicely. Cristopher Reinhart Ha! Stop harassing Akira, he's gonna go tell your MOM! mad
Now, play dead or something Akira, you're pissing people off. 3nodding Cristopher Reinhart Great. Then people can keep telling you off without consequence since you just openly admitted you don't give a damn that you're pissing them off.
Jesus kid, it's that attitude that gets people saying...
Leave me alone. We're not friends. STFU. And so on...
You sad lonely kid, you need a little attention? Need some friends? You're not finding either here acting like the idiot you're being now.
That said...I'll ignore you now, because not ignoring you means I'm giving you attention and I'd rather not have you think we're friends.
^_^ AcaciaDamia *spreads her love on toast and gives it to Cris* heart <--- Lol encouragement Dark Conspiracy By the way Cris, you are my hero <3 Way to pick on the little guy, team! Seriously. What the ******** is it with people in this guild? You all have this mentality that you can treat people like crap as long as you throw something Japanese in with it. You guys are doing nothing to solve the clique issues. Are we gonna be elitist, or accepting? Because this sure as hell isn't very accepting.
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Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 7:01 am
Elitists obviously. nothing anyone says or does is going to change this guild. Some of the best roleplayers in this game are HERE, which means egos are being bread more often then livestock in Missouri.
This guild is build on ego's, I mean if you come into this place without and ego, and you don't think you are the best, you will be demeaned, insulted, put back, down, out, and left behind by everyone in this guild.
NOTHING, i repeat, NOTHING, will change the mentality of this guild chris, I agree with you completely, but it won't happen. This place used to be my favorite place to be, everyone atleast had fun with eachother, no one offended easily and everyone understood it was a joke, everyone grew up and got more serious.
Attitude, what Chris said is exactly right. You want to be treated like you are worth something? MAKE yourself worth someone in these peoples eyes. First impressions are apparently irreversible though. People here still think I'm an idiot because I acted completely retarded to try and make some friends when I first got into this guild, and for that I don't get taken seriously alot of the time.
But I don't go running to 'daddy or mommy' and cry because everyone picked on me, I TALKED to people, got friends on here and worked from there, you can't just assume everyone will be nice and loving in this guild, it won't happen.
And what, with Enkidealing with real life there is one of the king mods, that was decent to everyone gone, there are still good mods but you can't expect someone with an ego to make other people get rid of thiers, that's why this place is like this, clashing of egos.
Plus, not everyone will like everyone else. you posting what Reinhart said doesn't prove anything beyond Reinhart said exactly what he was thinking, got to the point, and said it. If it came off as offensive...oh well?
Nothing in this game has any meaning just because it was posted for everyone to see. If it offends, don't read it twice.
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Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 8:29 am
As the first order of business, Chris you were banned because of the choice of wording in your post. You did not simply ask, "Why is there never any action taken against Akira?". Your comment was snidely put, containing a back handed insult, and a snide comment. Joshua had previous put up a warning against just that, and so you were banned. Yes, you are excepted to curb your sarcastic comments when entering this thread, or else. You failed to do so, and were temp-banned. This thread is for dealing with issues calmly and it will be enforced as such. --- Secondly Chris Custard, if you are going to post an argument please post both sides of the argument. Each of Akira's comments accentuated an already negative situation. This started with a simple joke about Akira being racist due to his characters reaction to a black character. Immediately Akira fell on his old habits, claiming he was offended again, in the hopes that a moderator would ban both the people "picking" on him. We as a moderating team will defend someone who is honestly assaulted, but we will not run behind each single incident like a set of parents. If Akira is so thin skinned that a simple, non-attacking jest can offend him, he needs to work on thickening his skin. Not just to exist in the Leviathan, but to exist in the world as a whole. Akira Mercuraki [.. X ..] akira.
stop your whining.
was that more clear? Uh that sounded like an order! I don't do orders. cool Akira immediately showed opposition to the idea. Antique responded, asking him stop. Akira Mercuraki .Antique Heartbeat. Will you please shut the hell up?
I asked nicely. No, but thanks for asking nicer..Not nice ..nicer.. Her approach was not completely soft but, yet still was a simple request. To which Akira immediately denied, adding more to the issue. Antique was becoming agitated by his comments, and Akira intentionally denied her request. This would, and could only lead to more frustration in the OOC thread, though Akira acted in only his own interests, as opposed to the interest of the guild, or any other guild member. Cris defended Antiques request. Cristopher Reinhart Ha! Stop harassing Akira, he's gonna go tell your MOM! mad
And that guy is Mark Decascos or Dacascos whatever.
Now, play dead or something Akira, you're pissing people off. 3nodding And interjected sarcasm, one sarcastic comment, about Akira's recently increasing habit of immediately running to the moderators the moment there is a slightest issue. Akira Mercuraki Nope it's not and I don't give a damn. Akira again, added to the issue. As opposed to simply dropping it, he added to the issue making it bigger. He had now raised the aire of two seperate guild members and increased his attempts at agitation. Cristopher Reinhart Great. Then people can keep telling you off without consequence since you just openly admitted you don't give a damn that you're pissing them off.
Jesus kid, it's that attitude that gets people saying...
Leave me alone. We're not friends. STFU. And so on...
You sad lonely kid, you need a little attention? Need some friends? You're not finding either here acting like the idiot you're being now.
That said...I'll ignore you now, because not ignoring you means I'm giving you attention and I'd rather not have you think we're friends.
^_^ The fact is that while Cris's comment was bluntly placed it was correct. Akira had been asked three times now to stop, and three separates times he ignored the request, "not giving a damn". Just as stated his choice would make for more agitation, with more guild members. Akira was starting, and continuing a problem. We as moderators will act when the person in question is innocent, Akira was directly and purposefully adding to the issue. As mentioned Cris, Antique, and the denizens of the OOC thread continued to ignore Akira. This was not an act of elitism, this was because Akira had made the decision to continue upsetting people. Akira even continued, after Cris posted a picture of the Ginyu Force and Akira felt the need to respond with a picture of Freeza. e·lit·ism - Pronunciation[i-lee-tiz-uhm, ey-lee-] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. practice of or belief in rule by an elite.
2. consciousness of or pride in belonging to a select or favored group.
The fact is there were NO acts of elitism. Akira became an annoyance and despite requests that he stop, he continued. As a result he was ignored. This was not because he was "lesser", and those ignoring him were not "elite" or are of the "elite group". Akira was ignored because he was being an annoyance, as in accordance with the Guild Rules. As it suggested that a negative comment is ignored as opposed to starting a flame war across the OOC thread.
Tenma, there is no "King" mod. Matt made a reference in his post to a inside joke amongst some of the moderating staff. There are a total of 9 moderators and one guild captain. As such we were compared to nine pirate lords with one pirate king. Enki accepted this because the "pirate king", in the movie in question was never present, thus referencing how Enki himself was almost never present when issues were decided. No moderator is "king". All moderators are equal, and must vote equally on all issues presented to the moderating staff.
"Elitism", is not the code-word to use in order to make the moderators force social interactions. We as a whole cannot and will not condone behavior that accentuates problems. Similarly much like Tenma's above statement, peoples reactions are based on the actions of others. If an individual is annoyed by, or dislikes another it is not an act of elitism. If there are negative relations between two individuals it is not an act of elitism. If there is an IC or OOC dispute and a moderator is called in judge, it is not an act of elitism.
As in real life, respect is earned, not enforced.
We cannot force individuals to talk to others, like others, we can only enforce civility. That is not elitism, that is realism. And consistent use of that seven letter word to describe every one of the guild issues is a growing falacy.
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Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 8:59 am
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Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 9:32 am
I misworded that phrase. I did not mean Enki was a king mod as in the fact of him being in TOTAL control. I meant he is a large influence on the threads mood, as has been shown in many occasions tension was high and he has come in and lowered the tension simply because he was in good spirit and most of this guild respects him, not to say they do not respect other moderators, i mean to say when he is around, he has an impact on the mood of the threads usually.
Also, elitism, as I used it was correct, you know as well as I do there is a group of people in this guild that think they are better, or even if not consciously grouping themselves as betters, act as if they were. Jokes about barton roleplaying and other things also show we separate ourselves sometimes.
Sorry if my meaning came fuzzy, I was typing fast and doing other things at the time.
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Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 10:19 am
I think I can help clarify this situation with the elitism and what not.
One of the main problems that I've noticed is...
You've got people like Ed, B, and you Maxi, just to name a few, who are absolutely great at RP'ing and RP'ing battle and combat. You have powerful characters that kick much a**... However, there are people in this guild that aren't as good at RP'ing as you or who aren't as good at RP'ing combat as you, or whoes characters aren't as powerful as yours...
Those people get shut out of the big plotlines because there's really nothing they can do except get their asses kicked and if B's the one they're fighting, possibly die, because we all know how brutal B is. No offense B, but you seem to offer people who lose to you two options: Die or make your character my slave whenever you go IC.
Some people really don't want to kill off their character or have to worry about B knocking on their door because he wants their character to fulfill the gaes his character has put them under... which I might add, the gaes one of my own characters is currently under = death if she doesn't complete it. Not something people want to go into Roleplay looking forward too.
Basically, you guys are like Level 99 characters and you've characters who are back here on lvl 10 but when you do big guild wide plots that you expect people to join in on, you don't offer them anything that's on their level. You expect them to just automatically level up to meet your challenge and defeat hordes of undead and giant bone monsters. I'm sorry to say, but it doesn't work that way.
And from what I heard, you guys just rolled into Barton and didn't let anything that anyone did have any real effect on your legions. And as a result of everything, a little blame laying on both sides possibly, arguments started, people left, and it died. If someone can give me a little more insight on what happened, I can give a better assessment of this situation.
Maybe what you guys need to think about doing is possibly scaling things back a bit. Offer weaker and non-combatant characters something to get involved in when you're doing your large scale plots.
I could be totally wrong on all of this, but this, to me, seems to be one of the biggest problems that's causing the little cliques that people are seeing.
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