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 Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 2:46 pm
Quote: to me, to actually love someone is to understand a person or at least find a unique quality that you love in that person, or why else would you love that person. sakura doesn't understand sasuke nor does she try to understand that deep pain that he feels. that's why sasuke doesn't like sakura as much, although he thanks her for trying. that's why sasuke didn't want sakura to follow him. sakura grew in an environment where she was raised perfectly. she had her parents and she was a goody-goody. she can't fully understand sasuke because she's never felt the pain of loss. she's what you call a fan girl. she likes him because he's cute and strong. what else? nothing. kishimoto may make us think that sakura truly loves sasuke, but really...I don't think that's real love. she loves sasuke for his looks and strength. over the time, you see sakura caring and caring for sasuke, but what does she really love? it's a question to also ask youself, do you love this person for his/her looks and ability? or do actually love this person for his personality? the way he/she does something to make you happy? people get mixed up of what's really love and what's not. we know sasuke's personality and he's really not the perfect person to be admired, why else would any other girl in the world like him? he's cute and he's a badass. also, sakura's not the kind of person who considers other people's feelings nor puts herself in anyone's position. THAT is why she couldn't find that specific, unique, quality that naruto always carried.
At first, Sakura did nothing but see Sasuke as another competition to Ino I believe. She didnt really like him, she drooled over him. She followed him, stalked him and such. But once she got onto the team she compeletly changed. The moment he told her about his family she changed COMPLETLY. She knew that there was more to him then what she saw. He was broken and from then on, we see her as someone that was always there when he was hurt. And we see that Sasuke really sees her differently as she matured. When Sakura realized that she was annoying in the very beginning did she truely grow up. She may not share that feeling of loss at the time, but you cant compare that to part II. She lost Sasuke, someone that she loved. She did nothing but protect him when she could.
EX: She did not hesitate one bit whe she saw Gaara launching himself at Sasuke when Sakura through herself in front of him knowing very well that she couldnt take him. She would rather give up her life and to let him live. Thats true love for you.
If Sakura only liked him for his looks, do you think he really would have done that? No. At first, he was just so hot, but later one, when she really got to know him, go one missions with him. Actually spend time with him, we see that she really begins to care . Because Sasuke wasnt always "I hate you all" 24/7 He cared about his team. And still does.
Comparing Sakura from the first few episodes to later on is something you shouldnt do, Because she became a compelely different person. Why would Sasuke want to spend the rest of his life with someone who has shared family loss and being alone. He would want someone that does nothing but love and care and TRUST you. Thats what he would want. He would want his opposite to spend his time with.
Now I hope that made sense to you all. Lolx.
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Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 3:50 pm
Quote: to me, to actually love someone is to understand a person or at least find a unique quality that you love in that person, or why else would you love that person. sakura doesn't understand sasuke nor does she try to understand that deep pain that he feels. that's why sasuke doesn't like sakura as much, although he thanks her for trying. that's why sasuke didn't want sakura to follow him. sakura grew in an environment where she was raised perfectly. she had her parents and she was a goody-goody. she can't fully understand sasuke because she's never felt the pain of loss. she's what you call a fan girl. she likes him because he's cute and strong. what else? nothing. kishimoto may make us think that sakura truly loves sasuke, but really...I don't think that's real love. she loves sasuke for his looks and strength. over the time, you see sakura caring and caring for sasuke, but what does she really love? it's a question to also ask youself, do you love this person for his/her looks and ability? or do actually love this person for his personality? the way he/she does something to make you happy? people get mixed up of what's really love and what's not. we know sasuke's personality and he's really not the perfect person to be admired, why else would any other girl in the world like him? he's cute and he's a badass. also, sakura's not the kind of person who considers other people's feelings nor puts herself in anyone's position. THAT is why she couldn't find that specific, unique, quality that naruto always carried.
What's with this "sakura doesn't understand sasuke nor does she try to understand that deep pain that he feels."?
Sakura understands Sasuke. She understands him very well. She may not completely understand what drives him to do what he does(and nobody does, mind you), but she UNDERSTANDS HIS PAIN. She tries, very carefully, to pick away the ice that surrounds him.
Unless your eyes and ears were on lock-down during the entire scene in which Sasuke leaves Sakura behind, you'd see that. Sakura knows Team Seven is the only thing that has kept Sasuke from hightailing it out of Konoha. And when she talks about the good things, you can see how regretful he is. This "Kill Itachi" thing has taken him mind, body, and soul. As far as we're concerned, nothing will stop him from reaching his goal. Not Naruto, not Sakura.
The fact that Sakura TRIED to keep him home is good enough for me.Quote: kishimoto may make us think that sakura truly loves sasuke, but really...I don't think that's real love. Quote: we know sasuke's personality and he's really not the perfect person to be admired, why else would any other girl in the world like him?
THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT.
THIS IS THE MAIN REASON I LOVE SAKURA AND SASUSAKU.
Sasuke's a jerk. To everyone. He has his soft spots, I know, but on the outside, he's a damn strong jackass with a pretty face.
And that's what Sakura liked about him when she’s first introduced. Hell, that's what EVERYBODY likes about him. But you forget SAKURA ISN'T STUPID.
Yes, Sakura "grew in an environment where she was raised perfectly. she had her parents and she was a goody-goody." She's a girl who dreams of sunshines and butterflies and knights in shining armor and sappy, happy endings.
And you know what? Sasuke's none of that. His inner personality fits into NONE of Sakura's fantasies. When Sakura is put in Team Seven, she sees that. Sasuke wants nothing to do with her, with anyone. He lives in the dark, she lives in the light. But she still loves him anyway.
What does that tell you?
She knows Sasuke is nothing he's first cracked up to be. Sakura goes beyond the supposed "perfect" outershell, underneath the self-centered jerk, and right to his core. She sees the twisted, scared little boy that still resides there, and spies the side of Sasuke that truly does care for others close to him. Sakura hangs on to that and tries to love every other part of him.Quote: also, sakura's not the kind of person who considers other people's feelings nor puts herself in anyone's position.
She never, ever considered anyone else? What about the First Part of the Chunin Exam, 10th question?
If their team stayed and got the question wrong, then they were forbidden to ever become Chunin. Messing this up, Sakura realizes, will crush Naruto's dreams of becoming Hokage.
Sakura hated Naruto at first. Despised him. Naruto was an idiot who "got in her way." Over time, like with Sasuke, she saw a different side of Naruto, past the goofball prankster.
She was willing to go as far as raise her hand and count her team out of the 10th question. Again, she's not stupid. She knows very well SASUKE will be mad at her, Naruto will be mad at her, Kakashi will be disappointed, and Sakura would look down on herself for it. But she wasn't thinking of herself. She was thinking only of helping Naruto reach his goals.
Not only that, but during the second part of the- -slaps hand over mouth-
Eheh. I think that's enough. I want to say so much more, but I’ve made my point. >/
And now I need some tylenol. @_@;
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Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 10:02 am
Arguement #2Quote: i'd have to disagree with the both of you. i don't think sakura's love for sasuke is real because like i've said, she's not the kind of person who would place herself in someone's position. Quote: Love is when you care for the person and wants to protect him/her. there's more to it than that. way more. Quote: Sakura starts knowing more about Sasuke and who he really is. That there's more to him that just the cool-genius-hottie. She realized that there was a fractured boy that has been crushed and had suffered a lot. Sakura then, started to turly love him. Because she saw him differently and loved him for who he was. she doesn't start knowing, she starts seeing. she see's sasuke's pain and thinks she can handle it, but she can't because the wound in sasuke's heart is very deep, she can't reach it. she hasn't felt the pain of loss so she doesn't know what she's dealing with. what you're saying is that she feels pity towards him. she feels sorry that he feels this way. throughout the whole series, sakura has never sat down or pushed herself to get to know more about sasuke. therefore, she doesn't completely understand him. that's where sakura's character lacks. sakura is late at everything. like jojo's song "too little, too late". sakura had the chance to get to know more about sasuke and try to understand him, but she didn't. she never pushed herself to get into sasuke's heart. she stood and just looked at the painful sasuke and feels sad. if she really cared and loved sasuke, she'd be trying to warm up his heart. but did she, no. she stood there looking at sasuke and felt sad that he's in so much pain. she couldn't lend a hand to sasuke and help him. why does sakura like sasuke? all the eps and chapters that we read and see, we've seen sasuke ignored her, called her annoying, and refused any dates that she wanted with him. why does sakura like sasuke? does she think being called annoying, being refused, and turned down hot? does it turn her on whenever he says that or what? sasuke's personality isn't like naruto where naruto's a confident person. sasuke is a queit, cool, independent person. he's also had a hurtful past and has felt the pain of loss. so, does guy with sad past turns her on? kishimoto doesn't specify why sakura likes him, so it leads you to think, because he's cool and hot. the same reason why sakura first liked him. why does sakura protects sasuke? because she likes him. why does she like him? see, leads you no where but to the start of how she first liked sasuke. why does sakura worry about sasuke? because she likes him. why does she like him? over and over again..it leads you to square one. the ep where sasuke was about to leave konoha, sakura finally confessed. she said that she'd risked anything just for him. i can tell, he didn't really believe her. sakura can't understand sasuke so why would you want someone to be with you when that person doesn't even know you? sakura never tried to talk to sasuke about how he feels, therefore she doesn't really understand. sakura knows that naruto could probably get through sasuke because at some point, they were similar and the felt the same kind of loss.
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Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 10:03 am
My 2nd reply: Quote: narusuke she doesn't start knowing, she starts seeing. she see's sasuke's pain and thinks she can handle it, but she can't because the wound in sasuke's heart is very deep, she can't reach it. she hasn't felt the pain of loss so she doesn't know what she's dealing with. True. She has no idea what his pain is because she has never experienced that kind of loss. Still, she tries to. Quote: throughout the whole series, sakura has never sat down or pushed herself to get to know more about sasuke. therefore, she doesn't completely understand him. she never pushed herself to get into sasuke's heart. she stood and just looked at the painful sasuke and feels sad. if she really cared and loved sasuke, she'd be trying to warm up his heart. but did she, no. she stood there looking at sasuke and felt sad that he's in so much pain. she couldn't lend a hand to sasuke and help him. Well, Sasuke didn't really give her the time a day to be with her. True that Sakura didn't really pushed her self completely to understand Sasuke. But she still wanted to help him and give him some care. She wanted him at least to realize that he wasn't alone, that he had someone that would care for him and that he could go to her. Of course, Sasuke doens't really care about those things becasue he's priority is revenge and power. Still, Sakura has helped him many times in battle or at least, has had guts to protect him. Quote: why does sakura like sasuke? all the eps and chapters that we read and see, we've seen sasuke ignored her, called her annoying, and refused any dates that she wanted with him. why does sakura like sasuke? does she think being called annoying, being refused, and turned down hot? does it turn her on whenever he says that or what? That was actually at first. True that Sasuke ignored her and called her annoying and whatnot...because that's what he thinks of her at the moment and he isn't really into girls. But she starts changing. She may still like him for his looks and personality...but she also starts to see the person inside of him and realizes there's more to him that what she knows. Quote: the ep where sasuke was about to leave konoha, sakura finally confessed. she said that she'd risked anything just for him. I can tell, he didn't really believe her. sakura can't understand sasuke so why would you want someone to be with you when that person doesn't even know you? sakura never tried to talk to sasuke about how he feels, therefore she doesn't really understand. I'm pretty sure that Sasuke believed her. Or, why would he have said 'thank you'? With that 'thank you', he said many things to me. He acknowledged Sakura's feelings, he appreciates that he means somthing to her, he appreciates the fact that Sakura would sacrifice her happiness for his. Sakura knows Sasuke, but not fully. Because like I said, he never gave her the time a day. So, she couldn't really sit and chat with him.
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Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 1:55 pm
Quote: she doesn't start knowing, she starts seeing. she see's sasuke's pain and thinks she can handle it, but she can't because the wound in sasuke's heart is very deep, she can't reach it. she hasn't felt the pain of loss so she doesn't know what she's dealing with. Quote: throughout the whole series, sakura has never sat down or pushed herself to get to know more about sasuke. therefore, she doesn't completely understand him. she never pushed herself to get into sasuke's heart. she stood and just looked at the painful sasuke and feels sad. if she really cared and loved sasuke, she'd be trying to warm up his heart. but did she, no. she stood there looking at sasuke and felt sad that he's in so much pain. she couldn't lend a hand to sasuke and help him. Quote: why does sakura like sasuke? all the eps and chapters that we read and see, we've seen sasuke ignored her, called her annoying, and refused any dates that she wanted with him. why does sakura like sasuke? does she think being called annoying, being refused, and turned down hot? does it turn her on whenever he says that or what? Quote: the ep where sasuke was about to leave konoha, sakura finally confessed. she said that she'd risked anything just for him. I can tell, he didn't really believe her. sakura can't understand sasuke so why would you want someone to be with you when that person doesn't even know you? sakura never tried to talk to sasuke about how he feels, therefore she doesn't really understand.
There ya go. My rant. Now time to get over to the Sakura guild and rant some more. Yay! Well, in a little bit. Lolx.
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Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 4:13 pm
Arguement #3Quote: Quote: Well, Sasuke didn't really give her the time a day to be with her. True that Sakura didn't really pushed her self completely to understand Sasuke. But she still wanted to help him and give him some care. She wanted him at least to realize that he wasn't alone, that he had someone that would care for him and that he could go to her. Of course, Sasuke doens't really care about those things becasue he's priority is revenge and power. Still, Sakura has helped him many times in battle or at least, has had guts to protect him. i think, if you really, truly loved someone, you'd still push yourself into getting to know more about the one you love more. whether he doesn't give you the time of the day and if he doesn't, you'd still have one other choice....observe him. throuhout the whole series, we've never seen sakura sneak, stalk, sasuke....just to see what's he's up to. it's a good way of learning more about the one you love. like hinata. she sneaks and stalks naruto and watches him train. she watches closely how much of a hard worker he is toward his goal. just by watching him, she can already tell what kind of charater he is, without naruto shouting it to the whole wide world. sakura did nothing except stay in her room dreaming about sasuke instead of trying to get to know more about the one she loves. it may sounds scary, and plain freaky...but you can learn a lot from just watching his moves or his expressions. look at how successful hinata became by stalking nauto. she got to understand him more from what she sees in her classroom or whenever naruto's around his friends. naruto's a completely different person when he's training. he tries so hard and is so determined, that makes hinata even more happy and it makes her determine to become a confident person so that one day she can say, "I LOVE YOU NARUTO!" ^^ Quote: She wanted him at least to realize that he wasn't alone, that he had someone that would care for him and that he could go to her. sasuke already realizes that he's not alone or that people do care about him. if he didn't, why would he want to break the bonds that he's created? or why would he say, "being in konoha and playing ninja with friends won't help me become stronger." he realizes that these bonds with friends is holding him down. he realizes that friends aren't going to make him stronger, therefore he wants to break them. he wants to be alone. being alone will make him focus more on his goal, rather than caring for an injured guy in your team. he knows he's not alone, so for him to be alone, he has to break the ties between friends. he knows that he's not alone because naruto came after him, fighting his for his life just to stop him of leaving konoha to go to orochimaru. he knows that he's not alone because naruto told him that shika, lee, kiba, chouji, and them, all came after him just to stop him from going and that people in konoha want him back. Quote: I'm pretty sure that Sasuke believed her. Or, why would he have said 'thank you'? With that 'thank you', he said many things to me. He acknowledged Sakura's feelings, he appreciates that he means somthing to her, he appreciates the fact that Sakura would sacrifice her happiness for his. Sakura knows Sasuke, but not fully. Because like I said, he never gave her the time a day. So, she couldn't really sit and chat with him. what i meant was that he believed that sakura can't help him, no matter what she did, so it wouldn't change that fact if she tagged along. he understands that sakura grew in a perfect environment. he understands that she's never lost anybody, so having someone not completely undestanding you tag along you're journey to doom, won't help. he knows that she has never suffered the feelings of pain, the feelings of loss, or hatred. the point is, she doesn't understand. she's "thinking" she can handle anything someone throws at her without even having experiencing it, she'll do fine. it's like someone asking you to ride a bike (pretend you didn't know how to ride a bike). someone tells you to ride a bike. you have never experienced it before, but you've seen a couple of people ride and and it looks easy. all you've got to do is sit down on the bike and peddle away. you try it and fall down. you noticed you didn't even go any where. sakura's just like that. maybe, like i've said, if she took her time to get to know know him, she could feel that little pain escaping sasuke's heart into hers. maybe then, she can feel, just a little, how painful it must've been to lose her parents and her friends. she has never thought of losing everybody. maybe, if you took your time watching, observing someone ride the bike, see how he/she gets on the bike, off the bike, peddle the bike, and balance the bike, maybe you could try it yourself and actually ride it. she's only thought of losing sasuke. she says that losing sasuke is like losing everything. FALSE. sasuke could already tell that's a lie. sakura's got friends and her family. he's lost ALL FREINDS and (almost) FAMLIY and she's only losing one. one compared to many thousands of uchiha's that lived in konoha. imagine, being compared to such a big amount of loss, to such a tiny one, of course, he doesn't believe it. he'd rather lose one than many thousands.
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Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 4:14 pm
My 3rd replyQuote: narusuke I think, if you really, truly loved someone, you'd still push yourself into getting to know more about the one you love more. whether he doesn't give you the time of the day and if he doesn't, you'd still have one other choice....observe him. throuhout the whole series, we've never seen sakura sneak, stalk, sasuke....just to see what's he's up to. it's a good way of learning more about the one you love. But you don't need to know all you can about someone just to love him. Sakura learned what she could about Sasuke in order to understand him as best as she could. Also, Naruto didn't push himself to understand Sakura completely. So, can the same thing be said about Naruto? He did understood Sakura's feelings for Sasuke at the end, and Sakura understood how broken Sasuke is. Quote: what I meant was that he believed that sakura can't help him, no matter what she did, so it wouldn't change that fact if she tagged along. he understands that sakura grew in a perfect environment. he understands that she's never lost anybody, so having someone not completely undestanding you tag along you're journey to doom, won't help. he knows that she has never suffered the feelings of pain, the feelings of loss, or hatred. True in a sense. Sakura can't help him and she knows that as well. But, all she wants is to be with Sasuke and be there for him. Even if she just has to encourage him. Even if Sakura grew in a perfect enviroment, she still knows ho doe sit feel to lose someone. She lost Sasuke when he decided to leave and she was really hurt. and she doe sfeel hatred...hatred towards Orochimaru for pursuading Sasuke to leave. So in a way, she does know.
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Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 6:47 pm
Quote: i think, if you really, truly loved someone, you'd still push yourself into getting to know more about the one you love more. whether he doesn't give you the time of the day and if he doesn't, you'd still have one other choice....observe him. throuhout the whole series, we've never seen sakura sneak, stalk, sasuke....just to see what's he's up to. it's a good way of learning more about the one you love. like hinata. she sneaks and stalks naruto and watches him train. she watches closely how much of a hard worker he is toward his goal. just by watching him, she can already tell what kind of charater he is, without naruto shouting it to the whole wide world. sakura did nothing except stay in her room dreaming about sasuke instead of trying to get to know more about the one she loves. it may sounds scary, and plain freaky...but you can learn a lot from just watching his moves or his expressions. look at how successful hinata became by stalking nauto. she got to understand him more from what she sees in her classroom or whenever naruto's around his friends. naruto's a completely different person when he's training. he tries so hard and is so determined, that makes hinata even more happy and it makes her determine to become a confident person so that one day she can say, "I LOVE YOU NARUTO!" ^^
You talk about Sakura trying to squeeze information out of Sasuke. Do you suppose she should have ran up to him one morning shouting, "Hey, Sasuke! Tell me about the time Itachi killed your entire family in front of your eyes!" Oh, yeah. Talk about considerate.
Sasuke's an incredibly fragile character. Sakura knows this, and is careful around him. Both her and Naruto struggle to understand Sasuke, and both want to bring him out in to the light. Sasuke doesn't think he needs it, but Sakura and Naruto persist anyway. That's what makes Team Seven so freaking great.Quote: sasuke already realizes that he's not alone or that people do care about him. if he didn't, why would he want to break the bonds that he's created? or why would he say, "being in konoha and playing ninja with friends won't help me become stronger." he realizes that these bonds with friends is holding him down. he realizes that friends aren't going to make him stronger, therefore he wants to break them. he wants to be alone. being alone will make him focus more on his goal, rather than caring for an injured guy in your team. he knows he's not alone, so for him to be alone, he has to break the ties between friends. he knows that he's not alone because naruto came after him, fighting his for his life just to stop him of leaving konoha to go to orochimaru. he knows that he's not alone because naruto told him that shika, lee, kiba, chouji, and them, all came after him just to stop him from going and that people in konoha want him back.
Yeah, Sasuke knows he's not alone, and he knows that those bonds are dragging him down. But he appreciates those bonds. If he didn't, he would've killed Naruto. He had the perfect chance. Kill Naruto=One Step Closer to Revenge. But he doesn't kill Naruto.
Sasuke didn't have to wait up and listen to Sakura pour her heart and soul out to her, he could've kept walking, or, better yet, kill her. Sakura was the weakest on her team. She has no chance against Sasuke, and she's not one to fight back; they both knew that.
But, even if his bonds drag him down and pull him away from his goals, Naruto and Sakura are still precious to him.Quote: the point is, she doesn't understand. she's "thinking" she can handle anything someone throws at her without even having experiencing it, she'll do fine. it's like someone asking you to ride a bike (pretend you didn't know how to ride a bike). someone tells you to ride a bike. you have never experienced it before, but you've seen a couple of people ride and and it looks easy. all you've got to do is sit down on the bike and peddle away. you try it and fall down. you noticed you didn't even go any where. sakura's just like that. maybe, like i've said, if she took her time to get to know know him, she could feel that little pain escaping sasuke's heart into hers. maybe then, she can feel, just a little, how painful it must've been to lose her parents and her friends. she has never thought of losing everybody.
She doesn't want to feel Sasuke's pain. She wants to take it away. But if it comes to feeling similar pain to take away his, she's more than willing to do it.
Sakura doesn't understand the pain he feels, but she understands he is hurting, and does everything she can to help him.Quote: she says that losing sasuke is like losing everything. FALSE. sasuke could already tell that's a lie. sakura's got friends and her family. he's lost ALL FREINDS and (almost) FAMLIY and she's only losing one. one compared to many thousands of uchiha's that lived in konoha. imagine, being compared to such a big amount of loss, to such a tiny one, of course, he doesn't believe it. he'd rather lose one than many thousands.
Sakura tried everything to understand Sasuke. Naruto and Kakashi, too.
She may not get it, but she doesn't sit back and say, "Oh, well, this obsessive-revenge thing you're doing, Sasuke, is definitely healthy. You only nearly killed yourself by forcing yourself and that damned seal that only you and I know about too hard during your Preliminary Match. And running off to Orochimaru probably isn't too bright, you know. The creep only wants to take over your body, afterall. But hey! If doing this brings you closer to killing Itachi, closer to killing yourself, who's to say I have any right butting in? Sorry for trying. Sorry for trying to save you. Tsk, tsk. Shame on me."
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Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 7:11 pm
Quote: to me, to actually love someone is to understand a person or at least find a unique quality that you love in that person, or why else would you love that person. sakura doesn't understand sasuke nor does she try to understand that deep pain that he feels. that's why sasuke doesn't like sakura as much, although he thanks her for trying. that's why sasuke didn't want sakura to follow him. sakura grew in an environment where she was raised perfectly. she had her parents and she was a goody-goody. she can't fully understand sasuke because she's never felt the pain of loss.
No one can fully understand someone - it doesn't matter how long you've known that person, or how well you do - there will always be that little gap that... for lack of a better term, will prevent a person from fully understanding another. A person's reaction (emotionally) to a situation will not always be the same as another, they may be similar, but not the same.
And since we're talking about Sasuke here, that little gap is, perhaps, as wide as Chouji's stomach. What he experienced was something that's not exactly normal in your average family home. That terror he felt, that guilt, and all of those other emotions he felt at that time, is something that no one can understand.
As for Sakura, If I'm not mistaken, she has only admitted knowing about Sasuke's past in the infamous Chapter 181. Hello? I don't know about you (the original poster), but I wouldn't go up to a person and ask them out of nowhere why they're so emorific. (In the cold, don't-talk-to-me kind of sense.) That would only make situations worse. So, how did she get that information? Asked? Researched? In my opinion, doing so just shows how she's actually attempting and/or trying to understand why Sasuke is in pain.
As for "finding a unique quality," I believe you just answered your own question. However much you believe that Sasuke doesn't like Sakura, you're forgetting how much Sakura likes/love Sasuke. If he didn't have that "unique quality," why in the world would Sakura like him so much?
And no. Sakura was not raised in a perfect environment. She's living in a friggin ninja village. Sure, she has a nice family and what not, but you're forgetting the fact that she was bullied and teased as a child. That is NOT perfect.
And jeebus, just because one is "raised in a perfect environment," that doesn't mean that one is a "goody goody."
Quote: she's what you call a fan girl. she likes him because he's cute and strong. what else? nothing. kishimoto may make us think that sakura truly loves sasuke, but really...I don't think that's real love. she loves sasuke for his looks and strength. over the time, you see sakura caring and caring for sasuke, but what does she really love? it's a question to also ask youself, do you love this person for his/her looks and ability? or do actually love this person for his personality? the way he/she does something to make you happy? people get mixed up of what's really love and what's not. we know sasuke's personality and he's really not the perfect person to be admired, why else would any other girl in the world like him? he's cute and he's a badass. You're still thinking about Sakura in the first, what, fifty episodes? I'll admit, that she was a bit shallow in the beginning, but you're ignoring her character growth. As soon as she had chopped off her oh-so-purdy pink locks during the Chuunin exam, there should've been an instant understanding of Sakura's maturity. After that, the way she acted around Sasuke changed from fangirling to actual caring and worrying.
And, who are you to say why a person likes/loves another? Who are you to define love?
That all depends on a person's preference. Fangirls like Sasuke because they believe he's perfect, "cute," and "badass." However, it's Sasuke's imperfections that are attracting Sakura. A typical fangirl would never have stayed after witnessing Sasuke's critical/cold attitude. A typical fangirl would never have stayed after witnessing Sasuke become a total coward (during episode thirty, I believe). Quote: also, sakura's not the kind of person who considers other people's feelings nor puts herself in anyone's position. THAT is why she couldn't find that specific, unique, quality that naruto always carried. Like with the rest of your post, I would have to disagree with you. Sakura seems to be the type of person whose more selfless than selfish. You should've seen all those times she risked her life for others. She's a medic nin, it's her job to be selfless.
And exactly whose position are you talking about?
She couldn't exactly put herself in Naruto's position at first. She didn't know about his issues until post-timeskip. So she figured he was some attention-whoring brat (AT FIRST).
She likes helping others and making people happy.
I mean, come on, have you seen those boots?
Sorry if some parts didn't make sense, it seemed okay in my head...
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Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 8:04 pm
Quote: i think, if you really, truly loved someone, you'd still push yourself into getting to know more about the one you love more. whether he doesn't give you the time of the day and if he doesn't, you'd still have one other choice....observe him. throuhout the whole series, we've never seen sakura sneak, stalk, sasuke....just to see what's he's up to. it's a good way of learning more about the one you love. like hinata. she sneaks and stalks naruto and watches him train. she watches closely how much of a hard worker he is toward his goal. just by watching him, she can already tell what kind of charater he is, without naruto shouting it to the whole wide world. sakura did nothing except stay in her room dreaming about sasuke instead of trying to get to know more about the one she loves. it may sounds scary, and plain freaky...but you can learn a lot from just watching his moves or his expressions. look at how successful hinata became by stalking nauto. she got to understand him more from what she sees in her classroom or whenever naruto's around his friends. naruto's a completely different person when he's training. he tries so hard and is so determined, that makes hinata even more happy and it makes her determine to become a confident person so that one day she can say, "I LOVE YOU NARUTO!" ^^ I believe you're confusing "truly lov[ing] someone" with obsession. Stalking is totally different, buddy.
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As much as I love Hinata and NaruHina (my second favorite pairing), what she does is not love. It's more like admiration with a little pinch of obsession. IMHO, Hinata doesn't stalk Naruto to "understand him," but to be closer to him "physically."
Stalking someone is not the right way to understand someone. Be realistic, please. Would you actually stalk the person you love? If someone were to stalk me in order to "understand me", that would be a total turnoff and an immediate run to the 911. He~llo, restraining order.
If you truly love someone, you would give them time not outright force yourself onto them. Forcing someone to talk about something difficult would only make the ever-so-big gap bigger. It would make the person, defensive. And that would equal a bad relationship. Quote: what i meant was that he believed that sakura can't help him, no matter what she did, so it wouldn't change that fact if she tagged along. he understands that sakura grew in a perfect environment. he understands that she's never lost anybody, so having someone not completely undestanding you tag along you're journey to doom, won't help. he knows that she has never suffered the feelings of pain, the feelings of loss, or hatred.
the point is, she doesn't understand. she's "thinking" she can handle anything someone throws at her without even having experiencing it, she'll do fine. it's like someone asking you to ride a bike (pretend you didn't know how to ride a bike). someone tells you to ride a bike. you have never experienced it before, but you've seen a couple of people ride and and it looks easy. all you've got to do is sit down on the bike and peddle away. you try it and fall down. you noticed you didn't even go any where. sakura's just like that. maybe, like i've said, if she took her time to get to know know him, she could feel that little pain escaping sasuke's heart into hers. maybe then, she can feel, just a little, how painful it must've been to lose her parents and her friends. she has never thought of losing everybody. maybe, if you took your time watching, observing someone ride the bike, see how he/she gets on the bike, off the bike, peddle the bike, and balance the bike, maybe you could try it yourself and actually ride it. she's only thought of losing sasuke. she says that losing sasuke is like losing everything. FALSE. sasuke could already tell that's a lie. sakura's got friends and her family. he's lost ALL FREINDS and (almost) FAMLIY and she's only losing one. one compared to many thousands of uchiha's that lived in konoha. imagine, being compared to such a big amount of loss, to such a tiny one, of course, he doesn't believe it. he'd rather lose one than many thousands. What is it with you and "understanding?"
Think outside the box, please.
She loves - excuse me - really really really likes Sasuke. She didn't just plead with sasuke to let her go just because she could be help, she did so to be with him. BE with him.
Stop being pessimistic. If she's not a big help, she could grow. Shocking, huh? Sakura may try that bike and fall, but what if she picks up that bike and tries again. What if she practices? She can train to be better. With a little push, she'll be able to go, not just one centimeter, but perhaps a whole mile!
You don't need to fully understand another, to love them. You don't need to have felt their pain to understand them. That is pity. Not the love you're talking about.
Sakura loves (really, really, really, likes) Sasuke. He means everything to her. Again, think outside of the box. She may have friends and family, but she is about to lose the one that she loves (RRR likes) the most. He's just not one person out of her life. He's closer to her heart romantically. If one were to lose the one they loved (RRRL) the most, one whom your totally faithful and loyal to, feeling alone is perfectly normal.
DO NOT COMPARE ONE DEATH WITH A BUNCH OF OTHERS.
A death is a death.
It's like saying, "Oh you're Grandmother died? Don't worry. You have another."
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Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 8:19 pm
Prepare for a rant. Im In rant mode. And I hope this makes sense. Quote: i think, if you really, truly loved someone, you'd still push yourself into getting to know more about the one you love more. whether he doesn't give you the time of the day and if he doesn't, you'd still have one other choice....observe him. throuhout the whole series, we've never seen sakura sneak, stalk, sasuke....just to see what's he's up to. it's a good way of learning more about the one you love. like hinata. she sneaks and stalks naruto and watches him train. she watches closely how much of a hard worker he is toward his goal. just by watching him, she can already tell what kind of charater he is, without naruto shouting it to the whole wide world. sakura did nothing except stay in her room dreaming about sasuke instead of trying to get to know more about the one she loves. it may sounds scary, and plain freaky...but you can learn a lot from just watching his moves or his expressions. look at how successful hinata became by stalking nauto. she got to understand him more from what she sees in her classroom or whenever naruto's around his friends. naruto's a completely different person when he's training. he tries so hard and is so determined, that makes hinata even more happy and it makes her determine to become a confident person so that one day she can say, "I LOVE YOU NARUTO!" ^^
Always. Examples: Forest of death. Gaara fight. And Other missions. Such as the one filler where they were with the kid doing the race or whatever. And Sasuke fell off the cliff. Sakura grabed him and fell with him. Sakura had enough interaction with Sasuke to know him. She didnt have to Stalk him. She was on a team with him and knew about him. Plus she had liked him since she was a kid. Hmm, Id say that'd be about 4-5 years. I think thats enough time for her to get to know him.
Why would she want to bring up his painfull past. Maybe if he was over it, but Sasuke stated he wanted to get revenge on someone. And you dont want to bring that up. She knew that maybe just being there, and trying to be his friend would work. She still loves Sasuke, and just talking with him, and helping him. Being his friend, was enough of her interaction. You cant Compare Sasuke and Naruto. They are two completely different people. But since they are rivals, you find it easy to. They are seperate people, seperate personalities, and seperate pasts. Quote: sasuke already realizes that he's not alone or that people do care about him. if he didn't, why would he want to break the bonds that he's created? or why would he say, "being in konoha and playing ninja with friends won't help me become stronger." he realizes that these bonds with friends is holding him down. he realizes that friends aren't going to make him stronger, therefore he wants to break them. he wants to be alone. being alone will make him focus more on his goal, rather than caring for an injured guy in your team. he knows he's not alone, so for him to be alone, he has to break the ties between friends. he knows that he's not alone because naruto came after him, fighting his for his life just to stop him of leaving konoha to go to orochimaru. he knows that he's not alone because naruto told him that shika, lee, kiba, chouji, and them, all came after him just to stop him from going and that people in konoha want him back.
Sasuke broke the bonds, from my point of veiw, because he doesnt want anyone getting involved. Itachi distroyed his life before, and now that he has people that care for him, he doesnt want to lose it again. In a way, I see him getting stronger, to Kill Itachi, so he can be happy. Of course he isnt going to let Oro take his body, If he's strong enough to Kill Itachi, then he will be strong enough to Kill Orochimaru. So basically, by him leaving and betraying Konoha, he was insuring a happy future in his eyes.
Another example, is the 'Good-bye' Scene. When Sakura said that she would give up everything. She meant it.
"On that day, you taught me that solitude is painful! I understand that so well right now. I have family, and I have friends but if you're gone... To me... It will be the same as being alone."
She admitted that she had a good life, but she was willing to give it all up. By her saying that, was telling him that she was there for him. That she really did care for him. Truely. And I think by that, he Thanked her. Thanked her for actually caring about him, for trying. Even when she knew that he was trying to get stronger to kill someone. By him not taking her, I think, he was making sure that she wouldnt get killed. By her leaving with him, she would be in danger. And he cant have that. For him to get stronger, he needs to be alone. Though, He knows that he's not. At least he knows that two people care for him. He knows for a fact that Sakura does. Quote: what i meant was that he believed that sakura can't help him, no matter what she did, so it wouldn't change that fact if she tagged along. he understands that sakura grew in a perfect environment. he understands that she's never lost anybody, so having someone not completely undestanding you tag along you're journey to doom, won't help. he knows that she has never suffered the feelings of pain, the feelings of loss, or hatred.
And why would he want someone that he cares about on a dangerous mission. People make Sasuke out to seem as if he doesnt care. When he does. By him not taking her its also him saving her. If he would of let Sakura come along with him she could of died. And he wouldnt want her family to loose Sakura. He knows loss all too much. Sasuke really was thoughtfull. And like I said before, by taking her, it would be a distraction. He cant love or have feelings for anyone at the moment, because he has to insure his future, by killing the one thing that distroyed his past. Quote: the point is, she doesn't understand. she's "thinking" she can handle anything someone throws at her without even having experiencing it, she'll do fine. it's like someone asking you to ride a bike (pretend you didn't know how to ride a bike). someone tells you to ride a bike. you have never experienced it before, but you've seen a couple of people ride and and it looks easy. all you've got to do is sit down on the bike and peddle away. you try it and fall down. you noticed you didn't even go any where. sakura's just like that. maybe, like i've said, if she took her time to get to know know him, she could feel that little pain escaping sasuke's heart into hers. maybe then, she can feel, just a little, how painful it must've been to lose her parents and her friends. she has never thought of losing everybody. maybe, if you took your time watching, observing someone ride the bike, see how he/she gets on the bike, off the bike, peddle the bike, and balance the bike, maybe you could try it yourself and actually ride it. she's only thought of losing sasuke. she says that losing sasuke is like losing everything. FALSE. sasuke could already tell that's a lie. sakura's got friends and her family. he's lost ALL FREINDS and (almost) FAMLIY and she's only losing one. one compared to many thousands of uchiha's that lived in konoha. imagine, being compared to such a big amount of loss, to such a tiny one, of course, he doesn't believe it. he'd rather lose one than many thousands.
Conclusion: Sasuke's leaving to gain power was him to insure that he can have a future by killing his past. Until then, he couldnt have Sakura. But for now, knowing that Part II is completely loose canon seeing Sakura hasnt even stated her position, it would seem that the plot building in Part I leads to the Sasuke and Sakura having some sort of relationship in the future. You really dont give Sakura enough credit. Not sure if its a grudge, but it seems to be a bias reason.
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Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 7:49 am
Last ArguementQuote: like i've said, kishimoto didn't focus on naruto's love for sakura as much as he did on sakura on sasuke. sakura and sasuke had more attention, therefore naruto's relationship with sakura isn't important as her's with sasuke. naruto already knew that she like sasuke more than him. besides, kishimoto didn't really want us to focus on naruto's love life, therefore naruto's love didn't go as deep. sakura really doesn't know much. that's what i'm trying to get at. she BARELY knows. all she knows is sasuke's goal is to kill itachi, he wants to be stronger, he lost his family and friends when he was young. so this is enough information to love that person? she'd only try to force herself to love him more because she feels pity towards him. she feels sad that he feels this way. so to love someone is to feel sad for them? refer back to my "bike" and "math" problem. so, if you never rode a bike before and saw people, you think you can ride it right then? if you've never seen such an equation before you think you can handle it? you need to know some more information. sakura's knowlegde of sasuke's character is like you knowing that when you get on a bike, you need to peddle to go forward and keep your steering straight or that when you saw the math problem, it had some addition, subtraction etc. is that going to help you ride a bike? solve the math problem? how about a little more info. like how to balance the bike so you wont fall sideways or a bit more info about how to start this math problem. like i've said, maybe if she really loved him, she should try to understand his feelings. TRY to feel the feelings of pain, loss. i know that she can't, that's why i'm saying she needs to TRY. Quote: we've never seen her imagine "what if" she lost everybody. she lost her parents and friends. this is why she doesn't get a connection between her and sasuke. she's never thought, what if...she lost everything she had, home, friends, family, everything. like I've said plenty of times, sakura is not the kind of person that will consider other people's feelings nor would she, herself put herself in someone's place. that's why her connection with sasuke isn't even reachable. Quote: True in a sense. Sakura can't help him and she knows that as well. But, all she wants is to be with Sasuke and be there for him. Even if she just has to encourage him. Even if Sakura grew in a perfect enviroment, she still knows ho doe sit feel to lose someone. She lost Sasuke when he decided to leave and she was really hurt. and she doe sfeel hatred...hatred towards Orochimaru for pursuading Sasuke to leave. So in a way, she does know. Quote: sakura's got friends and her family. he's lost ALL FREINDS and (almost) FAMLIY and she's only losing one. one compared to many thousands of uchiha's that lived in konoha. imagine, being compared to such a big amount of loss, to such a tiny one, of course, he doesn't believe it. he'd rather lose one than many thousands.
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Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 7:50 am
My last reply:Quote: narusuke all she knows is sasuke's goal is to kill itachi, he wants to be stronger, he lost his family and friends when he was young. so this is enough information to love that person? she'd only try to force herself to love him more because she feels pity towards him. she feels sad that he feels this way. so to love someone is to feel sad for them? Whan you have strong feelings for someone is because there's something about that person that attracts you. Sakura is attracted to Sasuke not only for his looks and attitude but for who he inside. She doesn't force herself to love him, if she did things would be different. Of course she feels pity...who wouldn't? But is not forced love. I mean, you cna feel sad for someone and truly love that person at the same time. Of course, what moves you to care for that person is that you want to help him and make his life happier and give him what he lost. Love implies sacrifices and Sakura has sacrificed herself a few times. Quote: refer back to my "bike" and "math" problem. so, if you never rode a bike before and saw people, you think you can ride it right then? if you've never seen such an equation before you think you can handle it? you need to know some more information. But you cna still try. I mean, if you recignize something by watching you can try and get the idea of the bike or problem. Sakura realized Sasuke's pain and watched the way he reacts towards certain things and what he thinks about certain things. So she has an idea of what motivates him and tries to understand him. Quote: like I've said, maybe if she really loved him, she should try to understand his feelings. TRY to feel the feelings of pain, loss. I know that she can't, that's why I'm saying she needs to TRY. Not fully but she does to some point. She knows what Sasuke wants and has comprehends how he feels. She could've tried more but she did what she could. Quote: like I've said plenty of times, sakura is not the kind of person that will consider other people's feelings nor would she, herself put herself in someone's place. that's why her connection with sasuke isn't even reachable. At first, yes. She was a self-centered person. But later on. she starts to change and decided to put her life on the line for her friends. Also, she's was able to understand not only what Sasuke wanted and the way he felt towards Itachi but she was also able to do the same with Naruto. Especially now after the time-skip. Quote: sakura's got friends and her family. he's lost ALL FREINDS and (almost) FAMLIY and she's only losing one. one compared to many thousands of uchiha's that lived in konoha. imagine, being compared to such a big amount of loss, to such a tiny one, of course, he doesn't believe it. he'd rather lose one than many thousands. Sasuke lost everyone...Sakura didn't. True. But she lost only one person and it hurt her deeply...so I'm pretty sure she must've realized how it feels to loose more than one person.
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Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 7:04 pm
Quote: sakura really doesn't know much. that's what i'm trying to get at. she BARELY knows. all she knows is sasuke's goal is to kill itachi, he wants to be stronger, he lost his family and friends when he was young. so this is enough information to love that person? she'd only try to force herself to love him more because she feels pity towards him. she feels sad that he feels this way. so to love someone is to feel sad for them?
I'm a bit confused, but is this about the "understanding" thing?
One does not need "enough information" to love another. What kind of information do you expect Sakura to have? Sasuke's favorite drink? Whether he prefers walks on the beach or a walk through the park? Or how about sunsets as opposed to sunrises?
As mentioned by Silvy, Sakura is in Sasuke's team. All that time they spent together, the trust they need for each other to work, that's enough to start off any relationship. You don't need to know every single little thing about them. A relationship is formed on a certain attraction, be it his personality or looks. Not information.
Okay, Sasuke's goal is to avenge his family, alright. Fine. So what are you getting at? How exactly do you know that Sakura's feelings are merely based on pity? Has she mentioned it? No? Okay, moving on.
Quote: refer back to my "bike" and "math" problem. so, if you never rode a bike before and saw people, you think you can ride it right then? if you've never seen such an equation before you think you can handle it? you need to know some more information. sakura's knowlegde of sasuke's character is like you knowing that when you get on a bike, you need to peddle to go forward and keep your steering straight or that when you saw the math problem, it had some addition, subtraction etc. is that going to help you ride a bike? solve the math problem? how about a little more info. like how to balance the bike so you wont fall sideways or a bit more info about how to start this math problem. like i've said, maybe if she really loved him, she should try to understand his feelings. TRY to feel the feelings of pain, loss. i know that she can't, that's why i'm saying she needs to TRY.
I just thought I'd let you know that, you, my fellow narutard, make me emorific with your "analogies."
Let's go back in time to when the bicycle was first invented back in the early 19th century. How do you think it's testers figured out how to ride it? With an instruction manual? No. They "understood" it through experience. Trail and error. So what am I getting at?
Don't compare "understanding a person's feelings" with riding with bicycle.
Plus, aren't you contradicting yourself? What if Sakura did try this bicycle? Unfortunately, she didn't quite do so well. Lost her balance and teeterred and tottered to the side. Shame. But guess what?
She TRIED.
I'm sure this is easy enough to "understand."
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Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 7:02 pm
And here we go...Lol. Quote: As for the downpour... I honestly think it started with the SasuSaku guild, but that's not to insult them. I mean, I think that pairing was subject to bashing for a while, the fans got tired about it and went around going to every single thread in the AMC and posted. It was a great move for their pairing, and I'm sure the fans didn't mean anything bad by it, but it's really annoying for everyone else. Quote: Before I got involved in the Naruto guilds I'd post in threads, but every one seemed filled with pro-SasuSakuness. I started out being neutral towards the pairing, but after a while I got to be really irritated with how I couldn't go ANYWHERE without seeing the fans 'defending' their OTP. As I said, it's great for them to have a stance against bashing, but I think it's been taken too far. I went from being neutral, to disliking, to flat out hating the pairing, but not because of anything in the show. More for lack of neutral territory. Quote: So, while I can completely understand the hatred of bashing (It pisses me off to no end when I see posts that say 'rock leexsakura sucks!'... People have even felt the need to post in my profile telling me how much my pairing sucks .) I won't go looking for it. Not because I don't think the bashing deserves defending- it does -but only on paper. In real life it annoys me to see people not bash, but simply saying they dislike a pairing, and to have fans come storming in with debates. Sometimes fandoms are better off leaving things alone.
Let put this in "Real life" as she said. When two side build up forces its called and army. And what do armies do? Fight wars. By them creating a NaruSaku army after this one has been around for so long, Id have to say that it seems like its not just trying to defend their pairing, they are trying to really start something. Because Naruto and Sasuke are the two in competition for Sakura's hart to fans.
All I have to say about this is it doesnt only upset me that people are being closed minded again, because to say something, it has been pretty quiet around here. But like we all thought, with the timeskip out, there is going to be a huge uprising of Naruto x Sakura lovers, and its only beginning. Now for the people that only watch the Anime to join in on this.
Right now I think, is where the S.S.A. Is really in need.
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