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 Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 6:36 am
The Vansin Okay. So. He's running like they do in Naruto, all bent over and stupidly. It looks silly, it's about as impractical as any posture that is designed to meet incoming objects head-first, and it's perfectly reasonable, because he's playing a character inspired by the series. On the other hand, we've got an invisible blade of energy that can practically slice him in half. That's mighty intimidatin'. My question to you, Lolli, is what the hell else do you expect him to do? And would you really do much else? Yes. Having him swing his arms forward does make him look like he's trying to figure skate, and totally goes against the whole "arms flailing backwards" thing. I think it's a DUMB way to defend. And if you're going to be silly enough to use dumb luck as a defense, at least don't be so...blatant about it. But, that he's forced to use such a thing really is more of a reflection on your power, Lollipop, than it is on his cheaty ways. In this tournament we've been finding most of our problems are springing up from bad profile oversight. It's partially my fault, really, for not being more of a stickler, and not judging more profiles, and I'll be the first to admit it. Because I would NEVER have allowed you to use invisible blades of energy. And even though I know full well that, by rights, Genetics should be losing limbs for running headfirst at your attack, I'm going to penalize an ability I see as, really, pretty unsportsmanlike. Why? Because it should have been done long before this fight ever started. And I must say I'm sorry to you, Lolli, because it really isn't very fair to you to have your ability, that someone told you was okay, now messed with by some upstart judge mid-fight because he doesn't like it. But I'm not about fair tonight. I'm about right.Like my secret admirer Fiend said, stop playing to win so hard and have some fun. Control of the fight, which you are graded on, isn't, contrary to popular opinion, butchering the other guy really quickly. It's about keeping him on the defensive. You create this lovely wall of whipping power, and he says he's going to just charge through it? Whip his a**, and if he complains, send it to me. He'll return to that fight with a "Well, that's what you ******** get for charging into a defended position, moron". But you chose to overkill, and ignored the good strategy you had. Instead of re-establishing your comfort zone and expanding with whip maneuvers or something, you established a comfort zone and then ignored it for that cool attack that people can't do much about. In short, you played to win, instead of making the fight a better one for everyone involved. Shame on you. HOWEVER. Genetics is a dope and his defense made no goddamn sense. So if he's going to block it with his hand, he's also taking some of the blow to his body, and he better get all SORTS of ******** up by it. Show me blood. But you can keep your limbs, Genetics, and you have your opponents mistake to thank for that. I'd just like to add that the ability is very limited in applications, loses a considerable amount of strength in a very short period of time, and can travel a relatively short distance compared to most other projectiles. The only reason it's even as powerful as it is in this situation is because well, his character is running right into it. Maybe that doesn't help sway your opinion on the ability at all, but just needed to get it out there that it does have some very specific limits already built into it. If you'd like me to explain more of it, I can do so in PM or it should be in my profile with the limits stated in the ability description. And perhaps this just might be a profile oversight for multiple years running, because last year there were considerably more powerful attacks, all of which could not be seen. I took one of them loll. On the whole playing to win thing. While I would love to win, I think you're completely over-looking a few things about my character. First, she assumes that she knows what the audience wants and was set on giving it to them. Second, she's a bit more than a sadist. It wouldn't be in her character to out right kill a guy, but it also wouldn't be in her character to not have gone to cut his legs off. She doesn't care about winning or losing beyond the point she wouldn't let herself lose to a lowly human. She doesn't care about rules, and she really doesn't care about good sportsmanship. So I'm guessing what you're suggesting I do is that I not totally play my character as she should be played for the sake of OOC good sportsmanship, even though we're being graded on staying in character? I don't know, if anything I feel a bit uneasy because people don't necessarily like characters who aren't the honorable warrior who wouldn't kick a man while he's down, who enjoys fighting, and all they're looking for is a good fight. It's a shame that because devils are supposed to be evil and are supposed to do the most effective things to meet their goals is being totally mistaken for a pure OOC drive to win. I understand it's a thin line, maybe next time to save myself the trouble I should just enter Kenshin or something.
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Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 8:52 am
Evilgenetics Btw I never got to input this- But the 'dumb luck save' was not a direct defensive measure. Granted on my part that was quite a hoop to jump; it's not fair to say I'm stupid, or dumb because of the route I chose. =/ In fact that's just down right rude. Kay. Quote: Anywho- here's all the info I woulda presented had I been here to do so when asked before a sudden and random ruling was given with no input what so ever.[I do have a real life though I know it's hard to imagine from your end, and yes I did have some things to do that I only got back from nigh half an hour ago.] All in all, I can't imagine much would have changed my ruling. I based it 95% on the fight I read. I know you have a life. It's cool. Believe it or not, I can imagine that from my end. Quote: While yes- the arms flailing backwards is how narutards do it- I didn't say that to her. I tried explaining to her that his arms move normally, he just uses those short bursting steps to run with a low center of gravity. Similar to how they run; or similar to their 'form' used when running[from the waist down alone]- As appose to taking full strides when running as say an athlete might. What this does- which I'm glad you didn't just dismiss with cold ignorant biased natutard-based-hatred opinion btw~ D=< I played Kakashi in what was likely the best and most well organized naruto roleplay on this website (in my opinion. But I'm surely biased) for about two years on and off. Ask The Crossed Fox. I think he knows. Safe to say, I'm a narutard too. Quote: -It creates a bobbing movement with the stifled steps, meaning that appose to throwing the leg out front for a full [or any] extension; the leg is only brought up to the position under the body, or at most to the point of having a bent knee and barely any footing inches past the threshold of your own torso's placement. Yes; you can run like this. And yes; you can run quickly like this with practice and good cardio. ultimately though; This makes it hard to discern if the person moving [if moving fast enough] is going to stay on that course because of how wild it looks in actuality. It's a 'fake out' tactic that couples as an efficient way to move quickly and still have a low center of gravity, which means more control if you know how to manipulate momentum. [like say; a ninja] Yes, you can run like this. Also has almost nothing to do with the actual argument. Which means I'll concede it to you. Quote: -It makes the bodies total mass smaller while staying in constant rapid motion. This means that pin point targeting areas [such as let's just say the hips as to severe the legs off at the thigh-which really doesn't make sense as far as targeting is concerned. That's accurately more like a body halving kill shot if we were to get down into this.] is a significantly harder task then let's say striking a stationary object with full knowledge of where it's going to be when your whip meets it's placement. Ok- So re-capping on this horrible argument that I'm very appalled at having to deal with- My character Charges her for a jaw check+upper cut combo. He misses the upper cut [No real pause except halted motion mind you] and then Ki-charges nigh instantly as he's privy to doing; before rushing her a second time at even faster speeds then before. Within this span of what? 5-10 seconds, somehow her character is managing the faculties to attack; shrug off heavy blows to the skull, and gain favorable placement within the exchange so much so that she can actually take two steps back [without getting combo gut checked by an advancing locked in and arguably focused/determined aggressor I might add] and then randomly fly back ten feet without any explanation or form, or ability given, or statement as to how or in what ******** world this makes sense? =/ Ok, so what you want is for her to do what you wouldn't, just sit and take hits because you think it makes sense that way. Actually, I found her timing to be just fine. She got punched, she backed off and started whipping, and then you ran at her. All in all, it seemed organic. Quote: Ok- so I've been pretty well flayed at this point for no ******** reason other then people scoffing at my creativity in a tight situation. That's all I see here. Creativity. And if it's still ruled that he takes splash damage; so be it. I mean if you're really going to allow her to have that kinda broken s**t; even once- why the hell not. I like a challenge. Some blood'll make a good fight xD I wasn't trying to back out or win by default. My writing is still only going to be cocky because it makes a good read. An even better read when you're soaking in that 'epic loss' that's been built up so much. Cuh if it's been a good fight I will try to make it a juicy read even if the coolest thing I got in the end is a bloody loss. If my writing sucks I apologize? -shrug- But know that I won't change; cuh it's all relative to preference... I find it revealing that you never once mentioned your defense. The reason is because I was exactly right- it was a very hard to believe sort of hail-mary defense. And actually, I ruled FOR IT. By the way her ability works, you should be missing legs everywhere except for where you directly blocked. I thought that was overpowered and I created a plausable outcome that doesn't break my mind, and you come back here and complain at me for insulting your pride? Fine. Do so. Quote: Over all- I just wanted to have a good match since I didn't expect to make it to round two anyways and I've failed so hard all these past few years... History does repeat itself though ladies and gentlemen. and I presume I'm still rather disliked by most, or at least considered first round fodder. but whatever. I'll enter next year too. ;] I don't even know either of you. So far, however, I've reasonably enjoyed your fight. I will not be dissatisfied if either of you move on. MOVING ON TO MY NEXT FANMAIL Quote: I'd just like to add that the ability is very limited in applications, loses a considerable amount of strength in a very short period of time, and can travel a relatively short distance compared to most other projectiles. The only reason it's even as powerful as it is in this situation is because well, his character is running right into it. You know, I would love this ability if it were only visible. Pulling blades from nowhere is pretty cool, actually. Quote: Maybe that doesn't help sway your opinion on the ability at all, but just needed to get it out there that it does have some very specific limits already built into it. If you'd like me to explain more of it, I can do so in PM or it should be in my profile with the limits stated in the ability description. And perhaps this just might be a profile oversight for multiple years running, because last year there were considerably more powerful attacks, all of which could not be seen. I took one of them loll. I'm not going to say kudos to you for seeing five bad choices and only picking one. You've still made a bad choice, just less of one. Also, last year I was not judging. And I'm a cooooold b*****d. Quote: On the whole playing to win thing. While I would love to win, I think you're completely over-looking a few things about my character. First, she assumes that she knows what the audience wants and was set on giving it to them. Second, she's a bit more than a sadist. It wouldn't be in her character to out right kill a guy, but it also wouldn't be in her character to not have gone to cut his legs off. She doesn't care about winning or losing beyond the point she wouldn't let herself lose to a lowly human. She doesn't care about rules, and she really doesn't care about good sportsmanship So I'm guessing what you're suggesting I do is that I not totally play my character as she should be played for the sake of OOC good sportsmanship, even though we're being graded on staying in character? I don't know, if anything I feel a bit uneasy because people don't necessarily like characters who aren't the honorable warrior who wouldn't kick a man while he's down, who enjoys fighting, and all they're looking for is a good fight. It's a shame that because devils are supposed to be evil and are supposed to do the most effective things to meet their goals is being totally mistaken for a pure OOC drive to win. I understand it's a thin line, maybe next time to save myself the trouble I should just enter Kenshin or something. You're misunderstanding me. I was never talking about your character. I was only ever talking about you. More insulting, yes, but it also lets me ignore all of that "i'm just playing my character" stuff. Your character can be a b***h, a whore, a psychopath. Hell, KB is all three and we love him. What I'm commenting on is instead making one's character in a way that leads to bad play. When you're sitting at the computer screen and getting ready to make a character, most people think of how to make good strategies, and create cool personalities, but very few people ever think "Have I made sure my character is fair to my opponent?" It's an important question, and it's not an easy one to answer. If you're entering the DT, the character you have is probably super duper. Why? Because everyone and their left testicle can sense energy, which effectively makes your attack visible. Cool! But here, we have a wide range of entrants. If you fought a straight up human, why do anything else? Just snap your whip and watch his head fly. And yes, you'd be playing your character, because she wants to win and has lower standards of morals. And yes, you'd be winning. But have you thought of your opponent? Did you even give him a chance? No, you really didn't. At least, not in this hypothetical. I don't think that having a morally bankrupt character is bad. Hell, I mainly play a Devil. But if I'm going to fight someone I make sure that everything I do is avoidable and escapable in ways that won't make people do the sort of thing that makes fights so BAD, like break down a half a second of action and stuff it full of split second reactions that really don't make sense, or use wild chance to deflect attacks. See what I mean? Your character is lovely. You play her just fine. But she was doomed from the start because of how she was built.
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Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 9:06 am
Vin.
What happens?
Do we get a rewind or do we go on?
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Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 11:46 am
The Vansin You know, I would love this ability if it were only visible. Pulling blades from nowhere is pretty cool, actually. The whole visibility thing isn't an issue for me, it doesn't change anything about the attack at all. I had figured most people here would be able to sense energy since most of the people I've played with in the past could. Somebody else already had the ruling that their invisible projectiles must be able to be seen, so it seems only fair. As for procedure, should I just wait for him to edit according to your judgment or do I just move on?
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Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 11:51 am
Please wait for him to edit.
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Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 12:36 pm
While I appreciate your honesty Vansin; You're still riding a high horse in my opinion.
Idunliket
But yea- I already said I'm cool with everything.
Now if we can just figure out the dimensions to this vaguely described un-perceivable projectile...
For the record- There was no defense there. Just because I used chance (all be it crazy luck), physics, and motion to the best warped ability that I could; doesn't mean my fighter was even aware of what was happening. Much less 'Trying' to do this.
Hakujou did not defend. D=<
He ran dumbly into an op invisible attack that shouldn't have been there in the first place. And now he's paying for it despite how ridiculous it is to fart invisible blades infinitely off one charge.
Geh.
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Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 12:43 pm
Funny how polite you are when you're in a public thread.
I don't care what your character did. You're his writer. You can change things. You can make it work. Be ******** creative.
Also, please remember that if you're fighting an OP character and you do your best IT WILL BE NOTED DURING GRADING.
All of you people just can't get this whole "if my character wins, I win automatically" s**t out of your heads, can you?
It's a ROLEPLAYING TOURNAMENT. It's about ROLEPLAYING. Not WINNING the pretend fight.
AUGH.
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Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 12:51 pm
Vansin is lying. You guys are actually competing for the number one ranking on Gaiaonline.
@Fierach: I'll make a ruling after work.
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Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 12:52 pm
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Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 1:15 pm
Wtf?
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Let's try this again.
@Vansin: Na dude; if that's how you see it- I sincerely apologize. I'm not trying to start grudges, and I sure as s**t wasn't insulting you for any other reason then the fact that I thought it would get results. [insulting me before hand was good incentive in my mind that you wouldn't care so much and would actually check out what I had to say.]
@Any judge who is going to be helpful: In fact- if someone can just get her to define the dimensions of this weapon; I'd be happy to estimate damage and edit my post.
That's all I'm waiting on at this point.
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Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 4:25 pm
Is it possible to get a rulling on something that hasn't happened yet, as in based on my profile and the current situation do you think my character would be able to do X?
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Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 4:58 pm
could a trident impaled on ones left side, below the ribcage, thrusted twice, possibly be lethal, that is in a very short amount of time?
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Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 5:01 pm
Sewing-life:
PM it to me. I won't be able get to it tonight, as I'm mad busy, but I'll be happy to look at it tomorrow.
Just so you know, I can't help you with any strategy. I can, however, tell you if something you're going to do will break any rules or not.
Actually, I sort of like this idea of asking BEFORE you do something rather than causing a s**t storm because you just did it and hoped for the best.
Kudos.
Though, at the same time, I can see this becoming a judge nightmare as floods of participant try to pull of wonky s**t and then try to browbeat judges into letting it happen before they post it.
Oh, the precedents I allow...
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Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 6:05 pm
I hate to be THAT guy. But I need someone to look at my fight. I won't complain about stupid s**t like my opponent not understanding the difference between flesh and blood and prosthesis, or his need to post speedhacks/borderline speedhacks. Then again, I think I just did. But that's not the point. I'm asking for a judge review in ragards to Hypothetical not understanding the meaning of the word simultaneous. My post "With Enrique's hand clasping a handful of synth-skin and elbowing his knee, the cyberpunk responded in the usual way simultaneously. He sent a flurry of punches in varying directions/targets at his opponent's face..." His post "Not even a second after Enrique felt his elbow slam into the man’s knee he would spot something out of the corner of his eye, the cyber punk’s big prosthetic enhanced fist flying out for the side of his head." He reinterpreted my post to take place after his attack in order to make it easier to dodge. As opposed to at the very same time as my post literally spells out, which are two completely different things. Especially during a fight. That and the speed of back-to-back punches should also be looked at. Trained fighters in RL can throw three punches or more before a single second lets out. I don't think his character would be able to get his dodge on after the first punch because the time between punches would have to be measured in decimals. That and the whole simultaneous thing being revisted, he'd still be kinda busy with the whole kneecapping thing. But that isn't as important as the other thing. And no, I didn't come here because my opponent just tried to light mine on fire.
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