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 Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 11:59 pm
I don't know.... If they easily restored her after having established what would happen, it would be cheap, but if they let us see her being awesome again in an earth-bound way, with no memory of the Doctor but somehow helping him without knowing it just because she's doing what she feels is right on her own...? That could be cool, and a little melancholy since he'd have to completely avoid her in such circumstances--being with him while saving the world might be too good a memory-jog.
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Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 8:58 pm
Say... The local public television station just showed the end of Tennant's first series (where Rose leaves for the first time). Seeing this just a month after the end of the current series, I'm left with one question:
What happened to the baby?
In their first conversation at Bad Wolf Bay, Rose mentions that her mother is pregnant.
Was there any mention of the baby from Jackie in this season's finale? I guess one can explain Pete's absence as "He's taking care of the baby," but was this ever actually stated, or was the baby simply forgotten?
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Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 9:17 pm
Yep, Jackie told 10.2.
Jackie: "I was pregnant, do you remember? Had a baby boy."
10.2: "Brilliant, what did you call him?"
Jackie: "Doctor."
10.2: "...Really?"
Jackie: "No, you plumb. He's called Tony."
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Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 9:28 pm
Keeper1st Say... The local public television station just showed the end of Tennant's first series (where Rose leaves for the first time). Seeing this just a month after the end of the current series, I'm left with one question: What happened to the baby? In their first conversation at Bad Wolf Bay, Rose mentions that her mother is pregnant. Was there any mention of the baby from Jackie in this season's finale? I guess one can explain Pete's absence as "He's taking care of the baby," but was this ever actually stated, or was the baby simply forgotten?
It's one of those things that is mentioned once/twice, dropped, and then subsequently forgotten. D:
Like the Raston Warrior Robot, Wilson's long lost brother, or why Rose can survive the Time Vortex and Timelord whatever but Donna can't survive something similar. confused
Sorry. Still annoyed by the finale in some ways, however awesome I still think it is. ^^;;
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Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 7:17 pm
Over all I really like it but only one thing got me..
WHAT WAS WITH BAD WOLF?!
The whole time I heard I thought it was some evil company trying to get rid of the Doctor.
But it's a bay.
:/
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Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 7:33 pm
Ceribri Keeper1st Say... The local public television station just showed the end of Tennant's first series (where Rose leaves for the first time). Seeing this just a month after the end of the current series, I'm left with one question: What happened to the baby? In their first conversation at Bad Wolf Bay, Rose mentions that her mother is pregnant. Was there any mention of the baby from Jackie in this season's finale? I guess one can explain Pete's absence as "He's taking care of the baby," but was this ever actually stated, or was the baby simply forgotten?
It's one of those things that is mentioned once/twice, dropped, and then subsequently forgotten. D:
Like the Raston Warrior Robot, Wilson's long lost brother, or why Rose can survive the Time Vortex and Timelord whatever but Donna can't survive something similar. confused
Sorry. Still annoyed by the finale in some ways, however awesome I still think it is. ^^;;
And giving such a mess an abruptly realistic consequence is sheer tear-jerking manipulation of our emotions. They did the same thing with Rose--gave her a great write-out that they insisted was permanent & eternal, then trivialized it by bringing her back.
I suspect they're actually setting us up for more of same again, and I'm sick of it. "Oh, we'll make you miserable and sad, then we'll turn it all around and make you joyful as we undo what we did!" rolleyes
Do they think they're incapable of making us cheer & feel happy over a really great story any more unless they make us really unhappy first?
The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances didn't have to do that!
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Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 8:56 pm
Aaaand... Empty Child/Doctor Dances was also one of Moffat's creations. neutral
Should be very interesting in Season 5.
Moffat seems to get the elements for a really good story better than anyone I've seen in a long time. You get the happy endings, (The Doctor Dances), the emotional endings (Father's Day), the happy-sad endings (Girl in the Fireplace), scary stories that still make you sad and happy (Blink), and the endings that make you smile a bit (Forests of the Dead).
By the way, I watched some of the Doctor Who Comic-Con panel videos, and RTD is writing at least one of the three specials. (Probably the first one).
Oh yeah, and SciFi didn't show the little teaser for Christmas that BBC did. confused
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Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 9:50 pm
Eirwyn Ceribri Keeper1st Say... The local public television station just showed the end of Tennant's first series (where Rose leaves for the first time). Seeing this just a month after the end of the current series, I'm left with one question: What happened to the baby? In their first conversation at Bad Wolf Bay, Rose mentions that her mother is pregnant. Was there any mention of the baby from Jackie in this season's finale? I guess one can explain Pete's absence as "He's taking care of the baby," but was this ever actually stated, or was the baby simply forgotten?
It's one of those things that is mentioned once/twice, dropped, and then subsequently forgotten. D:
Like the Raston Warrior Robot, Wilson's long lost brother, or why Rose can survive the Time Vortex and Timelord whatever but Donna can't survive something similar. confused
Sorry. Still annoyed by the finale in some ways, however awesome I still think it is. ^^;;
And giving such a mess an abruptly realistic consequence is sheer tear-jerking manipulation of our emotions. They did the same thing with Rose--gave her a great write-out that they insisted was permanent & eternal, then trivialized it by bringing her back.
I suspect they're actually setting us up for more of same again, and I'm sick of it. "Oh, we'll make you miserable and sad, then we'll turn it all around and make you joyful as we undo what we did!" rolleyes
Do they think they're incapable of making us cheer & feel happy over a really great story any more unless they make us really unhappy first?
The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances didn't have to do that!Oh for pity's sake e.e The baby was MENTIONED. Rose could NOT 'survive' the Time Vortex, or does nobody remember it subsequently KILLING the Doctor? The doctor had WORDS with Donna's mother. She probably WON'T be coming back because Catherine Tate has a completely different CAREER to focus on. Emotional manipulation is sort of the essence of DRAMA. If you're genuinely sick of the show stop watching. Now don't make me have to break out the caps lock again. Because I will >.>
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Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 12:53 am
Eirwyn and Jettrick, clearly the only way the two of you can resolve your differences over this episode is to fight some sort of Deathmatch. I'll get the cage ready. razz Anyway, Jettrick, thanks for pointing out certain factual errors made by others. However, could you please refrain from using the 'if you don't like it, don't watch it' line here? Doctor Who stories aren't some sort of sacred text that everyone has to love and worship, OR ELSE. If Eirwyn doesn't like certain aspects of RTD's storytelling and/or New Who in general, that's her opinion, and she's certainly welcome to express it, just as you are welcome to share your thoughts. I'm sure she doesn't need to be told by anyone that if she hates the show she should just stop watching... obviously she hasn't reached that point yet, or she would have quit already. Moreover, just because she doesn't enjoy certain stories doesn't mean she hates them all. Be nice. Or else... smile arrow evil Ceribri
Moffat seems to get the elements for a really good story better than anyone I've seen in a long time. You get the happy endings, (The Doctor Dances), the emotional endings (Father's Day), the happy-sad endings (Girl in the Fireplace), scary stories that still make you sad and happy (Blink), and the endings that make you smile a bit (Forests of the Dead).
Actually, I'm pretty sure that Father's Day was by Paul Cornell. I suppose that means he writes some pretty good stories, too...
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Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 5:31 am
RogueModron Ceribri
Moffat seems to get the elements for a really good story better than anyone I've seen in a long time. You get the happy endings, (The Doctor Dances), the emotional endings (Father's Day), the happy-sad endings (Girl in the Fireplace), scary stories that still make you sad and happy (Blink), and the endings that make you smile a bit (Forests of the Dead).
Actually, I'm pretty sure that Father's Day was by Paul Cornell. I suppose that means he writes some pretty good stories, too...
I suppose I should have started my post up with "As I write this at 1AM..." xD
And yes, Father's Day was brilliant, IMO. XD So was Human Nature/Family of Blood. (And the two Robin Hood episodes he did)
But anyways. I know I've got certain issues with Journey's End. xd *steps back to watch*
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Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 10:15 am
OMG I'm gonna be honest I was near tears. I mean Donna lost what she had gained not just the Doctor's knowledge but everything. Worst part is her mother didn't seem to care at all.
There's distinct differences between the time vortex and absorbing the mind of a time lord.
Shall we go to the timelord academy
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Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 7:00 pm
RogueModron However, could you please refrain from using the 'if you don't like it, don't watch it' line here? Doctor Who stories aren't some sort of sacred text that everyone has to love and worship, OR ELSE. If Eirwyn doesn't like certain aspects of RTD's storytelling and/or New Who in general, that's her opinion, and she's certainly welcome to express it, just as you are welcome to share your thoughts. The irony is a couple of years back this is EXACTLY what someone else got in trouble for doing to me. I guess Who makes monsters of us all in the end o_o Anyways, I apologise for gratuitous use of the guild's high horse. Of course everyone's entitled to their opinions xD
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Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 7:40 pm
Really though, Jettrick--don't you think they're relying more and more heavily on just blatant manipulation of our emotions to set up future episodes that do the same thing, rather than just creating really good drama in the first place that makes you feel emotion because the drama itself is good?
I'm hoping that will change once Stephen Moffatt is more in charge, as he tends to write good drama episodes.
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Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2008 7:19 am
goddess_oraorchid OMG I'm gonna be honest I was near tears. I mean Donna lost what she had gained not just the Doctor's knowledge but everything. Worst part is her mother didn't seem to care at all. There's distinct differences between the time vortex and absorbing the mind of a time lord. Shall we go to the timelord academy I think Donna's mom does care, she just isn't good at showing it... Remember, when the Doctor said that for one moment, Donna was the most important woman in the universe..her mother replied with 'She still is. She's my daughter." "Then try telling her that sometimes," was the Doctor's reply. (I could be wrong, at my age the memory starts to go a tad razz ) But that would indicate that Donna's mom, and Donna herself, tend to keep their true emotions hidden under their public personalities. (Chirpy, bossy, know it allness...why do you think they don't get along..too much alike, Donna and Mum) But it was sad that after Donna's big moment of triumph, she had it all taken away lest what caused it killed her. That seemed to be the cruelest blow of all, for her, I think. In some ways, a heroic death would have been kinder...although in a way, she did die, didn't she?
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Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2008 10:51 am
Mellissandria goddess_oraorchid OMG I'm gonna be honest I was near tears. I mean Donna lost what she had gained not just the Doctor's knowledge but everything. Worst part is her mother didn't seem to care at all. There's distinct differences between the time vortex and absorbing the mind of a time lord. Shall we go to the timelord academy I think Donna's mom does care, she just isn't good at showing it... Remember, when the Doctor said that for one moment, Donna was the most important woman in the universe..her mother replied with 'She still is. She's my daughter." "Then try telling her that sometimes," was the Doctor's reply. (I could be wrong, at my age the memory starts to go a tad razz ) But that would indicate that Donna's mom, and Donna herself, tend to keep their true emotions hidden under their public personalities. (Chirpy, bossy, know it allness...why do you think they don't get along..too much alike, Donna and Mum) But it was sad that after Donna's big moment of triumph, she had it all taken away lest what caused it killed her. That seemed to be the cruelest blow of all, for her, I think. In some ways, a heroic death would have been kinder...although in a way, she did die, didn't she? your correct about the conversation. Hmm but the expression on her face kinda told something different. I suppose your right, they're both probably unsure of themselves. Oh yes Donna did die. The Donna whose eyes were opened, who payed attention to both the glory and horror of the universe, who had begun to see herself for the brilliant woman she was, died. She lost herself and can never get it back because if she did she'd remember the Doctor most likely. On a side note in one of my fanfics which I wrote the ending for weeks ago, the doctor's companion between Martha and Donna, was trapped in her mind.
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