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Gee aren't you a hypocrite.



Oh and the fact that they talk about Cloud and Tifa the most just happened to pass you by.



God this is sooo stupid. To "be together" implies a relationship between two people. It means much more then just physically living together. Unless you're a complete retard that should be common since. Just look at the quotes you used. Barret and Marlene don't just physically live together, they have a father/daughter relationship. And the Sora, Riku, and Kairi are together. In case you weren't paying attention to the game, the three of them are connected by their hearts. There is only one major difference between Cloud and Tifa and the examples you used. Barret is a grown man and Marleen is a little girl. Also Sora, Kairi, and Rikku are three people not two. Cloud and Tifa are a man and women who are said to be together. It doesn't take a fricken rocket scientist to figure out that they are a couple. Twindream has already been over this.



Are you blind or something. They talk about Cloud and Tifa the most. They talk about their voice actors, character designings, and their relationship to each other through out the movie as well.



God you have got to be the biggest contradicting hypocrite I have ever had the displeasure of talking too. Almost all of the Cleris evidence you have used in the past has not only been blown out of proportion but sometimes a complete lie, not to mention all the times you only used evidence when it suts you and how you use your personal opinion for more then half of you're so called Cleris proof.

Here is an example of you using evidence to support Cleris then trying to act like you never said anything when it gets disprove





Here are examples of you blowing things out of context





Oh and lest not forget the completely stupid crap you have said too.









And my personal favorite



I don't even know why you bother to debit here. You expect us Clotifs to critically analyze every fricken piece of evidence we present, when you Cleris can't even produce a fourth of the evidence we have to support your Cleris paring. You Cleris scream that Cloud and Aeris are a couple unless the creators say otherwise, then when they finally do, you try to deny it and twist it's meaning around, just so Cleris can still be cannon in your little world. Aeris and Cloud are not, and never will be, a couple. We have plenty of evidence and you barley have any. Cloud and Tifa are cannon, so just live with it.

I have to go to a play, so let me spurt a bit of japanese knowledge to you.

What you say:
"The word koibito, which was used to describe Tifa only has romantic connotations and is only used when someone is in a reciprocated romance!"

Oh really? Nihon no Koibito= "Japan's sweetheart". And Shiroi Koibito is a brand of white chocolate cookies from Japan. Their name means "white beloved ones". So, no, "koibito" isn't just used to describe people in a relationship, it is used as a general adjective as well.

Also, according to Shadow Spirit(a Japanese descendant, who was raised in a household learning Japanese customs from members of his family who were born and raised in Japan, and who is also fluent in the Japanese language) and Resha (who is also raised in a household much like SS's and has many friends who are Japanese natives as well as FFVII fans), fans who are attempting to translate the Japanese sections of Reunion Files are mucking it up. They ask that you please stop butchering the Japanese language and wish for all FFVII fans to know that Japanese is a difficult language to fully grasp unless you are native to Japan or have been raised according to Japanese culture/customs. Therefore, please allow me to educate you on the word koi bito, as described by Shadow Spirit and Resha.

Koi bito (that's right, it is actually two words): Koi= romantic love; bito= person (slang for hito). Koi bito, written in katakana or hiragana can have various definitions, such as "sweetheart", "lover", or "boyfriend/girlfriend" (its meaning can be confusing when written this way). However, koi bito written in kanji (as it is in Reunion Files), is simply "the person who loves" and offers no answers on whether or not this person's feelings are returned. In other words, Tifa embodies the traits of "a person who loves", and nothing more. It says nothing about any type of reciprocated feelings from anyone. Resha also stated that, if Cloud and Tifa were in a romantic relationship, Tifa would more than likely be called aikoi or aikou.

Koi bito, according to Resha and Shadow Spirit, is one of the most overused Japanese words with non-Japanese anime/manga fans. They take the meaning to simply be "girlfriend/boyfriend", which isn't always the case. As previously stated, koi bito can be spelled out with either katakana/hiragana or kanji. When kanji is used, the meaning is "the one who does the loving", but it is unknown if that person's love is returned.

ALSO its interesting to note that you say that cloti is CANON while clerith is favored!
In Japan consider ClAerith to be the canon couple, although some of them do prefer CloTi as a fanon couple. None of them are up in the air over this koibito business and, when asked, they say that it is obvious that Cloud loves Aerith because of what is shown in the original game as well as the movie.

I can't believe you're still complaining about the koibito thing. While it is an added proof to Cloud and Tifa it's not the only one we have. I guess it's easy for you to forget the mounds of other proof Clotifs have. Also you want to argue about "koibito" then read this.

From AC.net The Meaning of "koibito" http://forums.adventchildren.net/showthread.php?t=75944&page=131



You know, I think you just made this crap up, but I'll answer to it anyway. So, because most people like Aeris more, that makes Cloud and Aeris cannon. That sounds like really stupid logic to me. Not to mention, that since AC's release the polls in Japan are a 50/50 split between the popularity of the two parings.



God I can't believe you're bring up KH AGAIN!!! I could care less what he says about KH because it has nothing to do with FF7. Aeris and Cloud could be shone having sex in KH for all I care, and it still wouldn't be cannon to FF7. Get over it.

Also, Nomura has stated that he doesn't really care who fans want to get together in FF7, and I highly doubt there are people stupid enough to stop buying SE games, just because Cleris isn't cannon, especially since FF13, vs13, and KH3 is coming out soon. SE could announce that Yuffie and Sid have become a couple and they still wouldn't be in trouble of losing any business. They have too meany other games that people still want.





I put both of you're quotes together because you're both pretty much saying the same thing, so I'm going to answer them both at once.

Nomura has said that their not an American company, there for, they don't follow the same path of having their characters say "I love you!" out right. Instead they would rather point in a single direction and then have you come to the only logical conclusion there could possibly be. Also, telling the fans to "come up with their own conclusions" seems to be a usual trend for Nomura, however, it seems that Nojima doesn't feel he needs to use the same discression. If he did, then he wouldn't have come out and said that "Cloud and Tifa are together". No mater how pink or any other Cleris tries to twist it's meaning, we all know that it doesn't take a genius to figure out what their saying.

Well it seems you havent figured it out : D

Nojima explains, "Inside, I felt one thing was for sure: Cloud and Tifa would be together. Everybody would be back home where they belonged. Two years is too short to forget the past completely, but it's still a pretty long time... And two years older was a good age for Marlene to start talking a little." The reason Nojima narrowed the location down to the area surrounding their house, he says, was to create a sense of crisis close to home.

Nojima was speaking of locations here, people. Directly in front of this quote it says "Why we chose to set it two years later...". It doesn't say anything about the relationship between Cloud and Tifa (or anyone else for that matter). The entire page (and the next page after) that this quote appears on focuses on locations, not relationships. Cloud and Tifa were together in Edge at Seventh Heaven. They are the only two from the original game's party that are together in some form or fashion when AC rolls around. Honestly, all you have to do is take a look at these pages in RF to see that I am correct. The rest of the page was devoted to other locations all over Gaia-- the Forgotten City, the Church, the Northern Crater....

It doesnt make any sense to say that for example in an essay about locations to talk about:
location 1 location 2 location 3 CLOTI IS CANON location 4
It all goes down to the CONTEXT of the statement.
Here I shall give you the definition since you do not seem to understand what it means. Taken directly from dictionary.com

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1. the parts of a written or spoken statement that precede or follow a specific word or passage, influencing its meaning or effect: You have misinterpreted my remark because you took it out of context.
2. the set of circumstances or facts that surround a particular event, situation, etc.

You cant talk about one thing and then suddenly say something that has nothing to do with what you were previously taking about.
Based upon the context of the Reunion Files they were talking about Cloud and Tifa living together, physically, at a location. That is that. No matter how many times you say "Nojima is clleetoo 100%" or that they will BE together you obviously ignored the whole statement and clinged to that one sentence.
And if you have OHSO many cloti proofs then why are you clinging to something that isnt true? Maybe because that proof you think you have isnt proof at all. Now doesnt that make sense? : D

You can go on and on about your stupid "Oh their only taking about locations" and "They meant only physically" all you want but it doesn't make it true. I have already proven you completely wrong in my statement on the top, and with examples you used no less, but I guess you're as blind to that, as you are about the whole "locations" crap. I guess SOME people just arnt smart to get the painfully obvious. I bet Nojima could b***h slap you in the face and tell you "Cloud and Tifa are a couple" and you would probably say "Oh you mean a platonic couple." It's really pathetic how far you twist s**t around, just so Cloud and Aeris can be a couple in you're little fantasy world. Also, nothing you say has credibility anymore. You have twisted things completely out of context, used you're own opinion as proof, contradicted you're self a number of times, and have even denied you're own evidence when it doesn't suite Cleris. No one believes a word you say anymore because you're never consistent in what you say. So go ahead and keep denying irrefutable Clotif evidence and keep deluding yourself into thinking that Cloud and Aeris are a couple. At least people that still live in the real world, know that Cleris never was, and never will be a couple.

Here are some of the stupidest things you have said in the past:

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Oh and just so you know there are more Aeris haters then Tifa haters.

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SE has referred to Tifa as a lover

I have already proven your koibito nonsense wrong. And yet you cling to this, why? Because you cant accept that Cloti is not the couple and never will be, because you cant understand the usage of japanese and you like to twist what the creators say! Sound familiar?

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SE has claimed that Cloud and Tifa should be together

"You have twisted things completely out of context"

Wow that is what I have been ranting to you about the whole time.

And you obviously have NO common sense. And did you not listen to a word about the context of a statement.
No you have not in anyway proven that it wasnt about locations. Because as I said earlier it doesnt make sense to talk about one thing and then suddenly say something that has nothing to do with what you were previously taking about. Because THAT CONTRADICTS the meaning of context. Something you obviously dont understand.

You keep repeating that I'm such a liar blabbity blah blah but you have not proven anything. All you have proven to me is that you have a temper and like to bash people. And who would believe you it seems to me that you are a mindless basher who thinks anything with Cloud and/or Tifa is proof.
Cloti is not canon no matter how many times you try and say it is. You can twist whatever the creators say and you can say I twist evidence, but hey that doesnt prove the canonness of Cloti. The moment when Nomura comes out and ends the LTD we will then see who is right. Because I'm tired of having to repeat myself and hearing you cuss and repeat yourself.

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I bet Nojima could b***h slap you in the face and tell you "Cloud and Tifa are a couple"

That's funny because that would never happen...why because Cloud and Tifa are not a couple : D But when I go to Japan in 2009 I'll get a "special interview" for you.

"At least people that still live in the real world, know that Cleris never was, and never will be a couple."

Who are these people that live in the "real world", Clotis? xD you're funny. Now you're going to go on about how creators lurv Cloti. I'm ready to hear again.

Ouch...kinda harsh there Pink. Ayyy....I don't know if being someone with maternal instincts or with some maternal bond really excludes them from being lovers. rolleyes We all know that both Aeris and Tifa have maternal insticts with Tifa's case a little different because she's caring for Cloud yes, BUT Pink, you keep neglecting the other piece. You keep putting the "mother" label on Tifa when clearly it's not the entire case. Cloud, who is a 'big kid' himself in SOME respects. The way you say it is like Cloud is a complete child. rolleyes If you remember Case of Tifa, it shows Cloud with a father instinct towards Denzel and Marlene. This doesn't exactly say 'big kid' to you does it? Tifa even states that Cloud is like a young father and that this was the family she wanted. Tifa does have a certain maternal bond to Cloud, but only because he's still developing as a person. *and I've said this for about a thousand times already*

Out of morbid curiousity... since the koibito argument comes up so much here. Did the whole "dearest one" debate never get to American shores or am I just so old that no one else remembers it? They're basically the same arguments except the "dearest one" argument appeared in 1998 when Squaresoft released those scene cap models. I think looking at both sides of this different arguments reveals something worth noting about both sides of the fanbase. So does no one remember it, did it not get to America, or what? I'm not debating either side... I just want to know because no one here has ever mentioned it.