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 Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 5:37 pm
I really don't understand how you guys can say Cloud is single, when SE has already said that Cloud and Tifa are together. Also Nomura has said himself that he doesn't care about the LTD. Lastly he definitely wouldn't lose his fanbace because there are too many other FF games that both Clotif and Cleris like, not to mention the coming out of FF13 and Vs.
Oh yeah, and thanks for the complement on my avi.
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Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 8:34 pm
RanmaxHikaru I really don't understand how you guys can say Cloud is single, when SE has already said that Cloud and Tifa are together. Also Nomura has said himself that he doesn't care about the LTD. Lastly he definitely wouldn't lose his fanbace because there are too many other FF games that both Clotif and Cleris like, not to mention the coming out of FF13 and Vs. Oh yeah, and thanks for the complement on my avi. Did I miss that memo?
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Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 10:23 pm
soadshuyin RanmaxHikaru I really don't understand how you guys can say Cloud is single, when SE has already said that Cloud and Tifa are together. Also Nomura has said himself that he doesn't care about the LTD. Lastly he definitely wouldn't lose his fanbace because there are too many other FF games that both Clotif and Cleris like, not to mention the coming out of FF13 and Vs. Oh yeah, and thanks for the complement on my avi. Did I miss that memo? Dude, click on the link in my sig. It's all there and official.
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Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 1:11 am
Ah. I still hold true to the "CidxShera is the only true pairing in the game" standpoint. I like the pairing of Cloud and Tifa, but together, which was the word used ever so carefully by Nojima, has several definitions and interpretations.
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Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 12:25 pm
soadshuyin Ah. I still hold true to the "CidxShera is the only true pairing in the game" standpoint. I like the pairing of Cloud and Tifa, but together, which was the word used ever so carefully by Nojima, has several definitions and interpretations. I'm not trying to be rude soadshuyin but what other "definitions and interpretations" can you be talking about? When someone says, two people are together, it means romantically. I don't see the slightest hint, where this statement, could possibly implicated as platonic. "Inside, I felt one thing was for sure: Cloud and Tifa would be together. Everybody would be living back home where they belonged."
- Kazushige Nojima
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Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 1:10 pm
RanmaxHikaru soadshuyin Ah. I still hold true to the "CidxShera is the only true pairing in the game" standpoint. I like the pairing of Cloud and Tifa, but together, which was the word used ever so carefully by Nojima, has several definitions and interpretations. I'm not trying to be rude soadshuyin but what other "definitions and interpretations" can you be talking about? When someone says, two people are together, it means romantically. I don't see the slightest hint, where this statement, could possibly implicated as platonic. "Inside, I felt one thing was for sure: Cloud and Tifa would be together. Everybody would be living back home where they belonged."
- Kazushige NojimaTogether as in living together. Not as in romantically together. He said theyd be living back home where they belonged and since both Cloud and Tifa dont have a true home to go back to and came from the same hometown, theyd naturally be living together. Together doesnt necessarily mean romantically at all. Sure, its one of the definitions, but there are many others that can be used in that same sentence. Definition of Together
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Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 2:21 pm
soadshuyin RanmaxHikaru soadshuyin Ah. I still hold true to the "CidxShera is the only true pairing in the game" standpoint. I like the pairing of Cloud and Tifa, but together, which was the word used ever so carefully by Nojima, has several definitions and interpretations. I'm not trying to be rude soadshuyin but what other "definitions and interpretations" can you be talking about? When someone says, two people are together, it means romantically. I don't see the slightest hint, where this statement, could possibly implicated as platonic. "Inside, I felt one thing was for sure: Cloud and Tifa would be together. Everybody would be living back home where they belonged."
- Kazushige NojimaTogether as in living together. Not as in romantically together. He said theyd be living back home where they belonged and since both Cloud and Tifa don't have a true home to go back to and came from the same hometown, they'd naturally be living together. First of all WTF??? Cloud and Tifa "do" have a home. They both live in the bar with Denzel, Marleen and sometimes Barret. soadshuyin Together doesnt necessarily mean romantically at all. Sure, its one of the definitions, but there are many others that can be used in that same sentence. Definition of TogetherIt's not what the word together means, it's what it means in context of the sentence, which is why I purposely put "be" in bold. He did not say Cloud and Tifa are "living" together he said "would be" together. A person can "live" with someone politically but they can't "be" with them politically. Also, when Nojima "living" he was referring to their home not their relationship. "Inside, I felt one thing was for sure: Cloud and Tifa would be together."This is one sentence, stating that Cloud and Tifa "are" together. There are no if's and's or but's about it. It's clear as day. "Everybody would be living back home where they belonged."Again the living is in reference to their home (which they do have) not their relationship.
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Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 2:33 pm
Im interpreting it a different way, thats all. I take the words in a different context.
My interpretation is that the first sentence is Noji saying that one thing being for sure is that Cloud and Tifa would be together not as in a relationship, but as in a physical presence. They wouldnt seperate from each other since their home, Nibelham, is gone. Which also flows with my interpretation of the second sentence, since everyone would be back home, which Cloud and Tifa dont have anymore since Nibelham's destruction and recreation, and thus leading to them living together, where they belonged.
Another part of my spin on it is that they are orphans of their home, which no longer truly exists, and in that light take care of other orphans who had their homes destroyed with meteorfall.
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Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 3:29 pm
soadshuyin Im interpreting it a different way, thats all. I take the words in a different context. My interpretation is that the first sentence is Noji saying that one thing being for sure is that Cloud and Tifa would be together not as in a relationship, but as in a physical presence. They wouldnt seperate from each other since their home, Nibelham, is gone. Which also flows with my interpretation of the second sentence, since everyone would be back home, which Cloud and Tifa dont have anymore since Nibelham's destruction and recreation, and thus leading to them living together, where they belonged. Dude, Nibelham really has nothing to do with the sentence. You're putting things in there are aren't there. Also if meant together only in a physical presence then he would have said "living together" (as you originally said) instead "be together." To "be" with someone is to be closer then just physical or platonic. Would you tell a girl that you want to be with her if you didn't like/love her romantically. Of course not, because when someone says that to another person the implication is romantic. The English language is pretty clear on that. soadshuyin Another part of my spin on it is that they are orphans of their home, which no longer truly exists, and in that light take care of other orphans who had their homes destroyed with meteorfall. Again you're putting things into you're interpretation that aren't even mentioned or slightly referred to in the actual sentence. Cloud, Tifa, and the children have been living in the bar for two years. That is their home. Nibelham and the homes of the children aren't even a factor, so I don't know why or how any of what you said could be interpreted from those two simple sentences. Nibelham and the orphans homes were a factor then it would have been mentioned. I don't know why you are trying to look so deeply into a sentence that is as clear as day. There is no deeper hidden meaning to what is said. It means exactly what it says. "Inside, I felt one thing was for sure: Cloud and Tifa would be together." The END
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Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 3:43 pm
Hold up. So me looking too far into one little thing is unexcusable when all weve done for the past 10 years is forcibly rape the s**t out of every sentence structure in the game, movie, and every interview anyone whos ever worked on FFVII in search of any little word that can point in the direction of either Tifa or Aeris? That makes no ******** sense to me.
My interpretation stands and the second sentence, which is where Im getting all this Nibelham stuff from since the sentence implys a home and living there where they belong, will remain a part of it whether you like it or not.
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Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 4:20 pm
soadshuyin Hold up. So me looking too far into one little thing is unexcusable when all weve done for the past 10 years is forcibly rape the s**t out of every sentence structure in the game, movie, and every interview anyone who's ever worked on FFVII in search of any little word that can point in the direction of either Tifa or Aeris? That makes no ******** sense to me. Hey, Hey, don't look at me when referring to "raping sentence structure in FF7" I've been saying for years that there is no deeper meaning then what is right there in front of the player. I hate to sound like I'm pointing the finger but I find Cleris are usually the ones raping sentence structure and trying to find some deeper Cleris meaning to FF7. Like trying to change the meaning of "koibito" and saying that Tifa isn't Cloud's light because Nomura says that "Tifa is light" and not "Tifa is Cloud's light". (I know KH is not cannon to FF7, I was just using it ans an example) Just look at Destiny Fulfilled. The majority of Cleris still use that site as proof when it has nothing but unsubstantiated crap about symbolism and supoused deeper meaning pointing to Cleris. soadshuyin My interpretation stands and the second sentence, which is where I'm getting all this Nibelham stuff from since the sentence implies a home and living there where they belong, will remain a part of it whether you like it or not. Dude that's just it, they're not referring to Nibelham, they're referring to the bar. Referring to Nibelham wouldn't make any sense at this point in Cloud and Tifa's life. Nibelham is no longer their home and it hasn't been for many years, since the two of them left. And you don't have to get testy.. Gees neutral
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Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 4:34 pm
Haha, Im not getting testy. Im just having fun for the first time in a long time in this subforum. mrgreen
And it wasnt in reference to only you, but weve all done it. Weve all taken something lightly said out of context to a point of no return and I just find it unfair that I do that with a sentence that Id normally support and get chewed out for it.
Also, Cloud and Tifas home will always be Nibelham, whether they want it to be or not. Hell, even with the bar, it was destroyed too. So either way, theyre forced to make a new home, and yadda yadda, see my original argument on the things and so on and so forth.
Its just my interpretation and Ill probably fold in a very short time to Tifa and Cloud being together, but when I first read that, that was my interpretation and I stick with it for now since no game or movie material is infused with this information. Its highly pointed to, yes, but sadly nowhere in game material does it flat out say that Cloud ends up with anyone.
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Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 5:12 pm
soadshuyin Haha, Im not getting testy. Im just having fun for the first time in a long time in this subforum. mrgreen If you really want to see fun then you should read from page 79. 3nodding 3nodding soadshuyin And it wasnt in reference to only you, but weve all done it. Weve all taken something lightly said out of context to a point of no return and I just find it unfair that I do that with a sentence that Id normally support and get chewed out for it. Sorry, I didn't mean to chew you out. soadshuyin Also, Cloud and Tifas home will always be Nibelham, whether they want it to be or not. Hell, even with the bar, it was destroyed too. So either way, they're forced to make a new home, and yadda yadda, see my original argument on the things and so on and so forth. Nibelham was their home but isn't anymore, not to mention that it still doesn't coincide with the rest of the sentence. But hey, whatever. soadshuyin Its just my interpretation and Ill probably fold in a very short time to Tifa and Cloud being together, but when I first read that, that was my interpretation and I stick with it for now since no game or movie material is infused with this information. Its highly pointed to, yes, but sadly nowhere in game material does it flat out say that Cloud ends up with anyone. Actually, I thought calling Tifa "koibito" made it Crystal clear that Cloud and Tifa were together. I guess it's just some Cleris can't stand the though of Cloud and Tifa being cannon so the try to discredit it.(which they fail at doing) I also had a long debate with pink about this already. Basically SE has come out and said it a bunch of times and in many diffrent ways but no one seems to be listing.
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Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 5:22 pm
I interpret home as where youre from. Whats shaped you the most. For both Cloud and Tifa, that place is Nibelham. Red XIIIs home would be Cosmo Canyon, Cid and Sheras in Rocket Town, etc., etc., and I took that out of the second sentence.
Maybe youd just have to have my thought process to get it, because it works flawlessly in my mind.
And Ive got no idea what "koibito" means.
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Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 5:49 pm
soadshuyin I interpret home as where youre from. Whats shaped you the most. For both Cloud and Tifa, that place is Nibelham. Red XIIIs home would be Cosmo Canyon, Cid and Sheras in Rocket Town, etc., etc., and I took that out of the second sentence. Maybe youd just have to have my thought process to get it, because it works flawlessly in my mind. And Ive got no idea what "koibito" means. From AC.net The Meaning of "koibito" http://forums.adventchildren.net/showthread.php?t=75944&page=131
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