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PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 10:26 pm


Kage>> If you can find one instance in history of a country, pre-late 20th century, recognizing same-sex relationships as marriage ... then you can seriously debate it.

Then you'd have to change the meaning of the word "matrimony." (which you won't get a majority vote on, at least not in this age)

That's my two-cents anyway.

Clara>> English and its eccentricities; freshman to seniors; generally yes, but I will not personally know what grade levels I'll be teaching and what I'll be teaching until the first day of class.
PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 10:32 pm


SJL
China's communist?

How come I see bristling free market interprises!?!? gonk


Hypocracy.

Spider Jerusalem PHD


2Brolly4

PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 10:32 pm


...We need a new title.
PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 10:32 pm


MahouTragicQueen
OokamiKage_X
Doesn't communism work on paper but appiled to real world it doesn't?

>.>

Pretty much.

Well, that's because Communism has never happened in the real world. Not even Socialism, according to dear ol' Trotsky. I mean, take the Soviet Union. The revolution has to happen in an advanced capitalist country. Russia was sort of backwater. The majority of the population was not proletarian (proleteriat?), but peasant. Lenin's party, the Bolsheviks (who, with the exception of Trotksy, Bukharin, and a few other people who make it off just because they're so damn cool, I do not like), were the minority even in their own socialist party thing. The Mensheviks were the majority. The Bolsheviks were, y'know, the vanguard party. A vanguard party. Whatever.

Anyways, the Bolsheviks dragged their country into socialism, which they definitely weren't ready for. Lenin declared Proletarian Dictatorship, which was supposed to give voice to the proletaritian people. Instead it got sort of twisted and Lenin squashed the elected body. The bureaucracy, which was supposed to be on it's way to dying, expanded, and became nororiously annoying in the years to follow. The USSR also didn't have the advanced technology and such that would have come from capitalism, so they basically trying to play a game of catch-up with the industrial world instead of focusing on socialism. And since Germany didn't go Commie and help Russia out, like Lenin thought it would, the Soviet Union was pretty much screwed.

So, um, anyways, Lenin ruled for a while, and there was a civil war, a famine, that boat rebellion, the New Economic Plan, and some other stuff. Then Lenin croaked, and there was a power struggle, and Stalin took over and made everybdoy hate Communism with forced slave labor and more famine and rapid collectivization and that kulaks thing and the five year plan and the other five year plans and the whole part about trusting Hitler and then the war and the famines and the killing and such and when it was over the whole satellite state and Soviet republic thing with the conquered territories and a few more Gulags and then finally kicking the bucket. I mean, Lenin was hardly perfect and I am getting so ******** tired of people saying that he is. I mean, Figurative God forbid that Lenin ever made a single mistake in his entire life! He was our valiant socialist savior! Oh, if only Stalin hadn't came along and ruined Lenin's glorious revolution! Then we would surely be living in a Communist paradise!

Sometimes I think that ol' Trotsky had it coming. mad

Oh, but anyways. I was trying to be relevant, wasn't I?

I'm not sure if socialism is possible. I just don't think that capitalism is going to last forever. I'm not really sure why, but these things always seem to be changing. Candles didn't last forever, and neither did monarchy or feudalism. Something has to be next, right?

But at the moment, there are no socialist countries. China is not Communist. The Communist Party is corrupt, and not really all that Communist at all. There has never been a socialist country, unless you count those tribes and that whole primitve socialism thing. Which you're not going to, because I said so.

I'm not trying to convert anyone to Communism here or anything. I'm having enough trouble trying to decide whether I like it or not. Just capitalizing on the oppurtunity to act like a deranged fangirl, that's all. Hope you all weren't too confused. Or that you won't lynch me.

That would be no good. sweatdrop

Comrade Clara


2Brolly4

PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 10:43 pm


Any suggestions on a title?
PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 10:45 pm


2Brolly4
Any suggestions on a title?

The oh-so-dazzling off-topic topic: Titles are for losers.

Comrade Clara


2Brolly4

PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 10:48 pm


Comrade Clara
2Brolly4
Any suggestions on a title?

The oh-so-dazzling off-topic topic: Titles are for losers.


Oh that's good. I've been trying to think of something that has to do with communism. Sort of like "The oh-so-dazzling off-topic topic: Communists R Us! xp
PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 10:48 pm


Ashram: I think that would be fairly hard to do. I CAN state that in Denmark, though recent, hasn't shown ill effects for legalizing same-sex marriage.

Take into consideration that interracial and interreligious marriages weren't thought of as legal into maybe early 20th century? Probably later..

I know that one of their points is that marriage is a TRADITIONAL INSTITUTION. >< Wasn't slavery a traditional intsitution before we recognized the evils of slavery and did our best to abolish it?

Using "we" and "our" as a concept of society... mostly at least..

And yeah... I know I need to define "matrimony" and "marriage."

I heard "procreate" a lot as well as "man and woman" as well. >< Seriously.. if one of the reasons, most stated reasons was procreation, then infertiles couples shouldn't be allowed to marry.

Or my parents should give up their marriage since my mom is.. yeah.. menopasual?

I just think that no one really has the RIGHT or AUTHORITY to say what it is. Too many people talk about the Bible and... not ALL people in the country are Christian, Catholic, or Jewish. I mean.. I just thought that the Defense of Marriage Act "defined" marriage unjustly.. They singled out same-sex couples stating they don't have to have the rights granted to them by marriages by other states in the the state they're in.

But I'm just all over the place..

THE kage
Crew


THE kage
Crew

PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 10:52 pm


Ok ok what do you want the title to be?

Also, Phoe if you see this... I'm not sure if Sir Ichigo passed it yet but she was asking for help against Riku... when you fight him.. I think the third time in Chain of Memories.
PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 10:53 pm


2Brolly4
Comrade Clara
2Brolly4
Any suggestions on a title?

The oh-so-dazzling off-topic topic: Titles are for losers.


Oh that's good. I've been trying to think of something that has to do with communism. Sort of like "The oh-so-dazzling off-topic topic: Communists R Us! xp

The oh-so-dazzling off-topic topic: Titles are for Commies!

And about same-sex marriage. Obviously, Clara is biased, being TEH GAHYZ!!11 and all. But shockingly, I think it should be legal. I don't think it is up to the government to define marriage, and I really don't think that marriage itself should have anything to do with the government. Marriage has meant many different things to many different civilizations. Who is Congress (or some other similar law-making body in another country) to decide what marriage is?

I really don't like the idea of marriage at all, but as long as straight people have it, give it to the homos too. We like dressing up pretty and having cake.

Now I have a question, and it's actually serious. What about polygamy? That's more taboo than same-sex marriage.

Comrade Clara


2Brolly4

PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 10:58 pm


That's why there's international waters. 3nodding Can't do anything about somebody's marital choices then!
PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 10:58 pm


I agree with what you said. You put it in words so much better than how I can..

I just think it's going against what we say America stands for: Equality for all.

Straight married couples get so many things that same-sex partners don't...

And I think they created Civil Unions as a somewhat "substitute" of marriage for same-sex couples.. which seperates them into like... almost like.. a second rate status.

Polygamy... I think it depends on what you mean. I thought they said that polygamy is illegal.

THE kage
Crew


THE kage
Crew

PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 10:59 pm


2Brolly4
That's why there's international waters. 3nodding Can't do anything about somebody's marital choices then!
International waters? Kinda like international airspace?
PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 11:02 pm


OokamiKage_X
2Brolly4
That's why there's international waters. 3nodding Can't do anything about somebody's marital choices then!
International waters? Kinda like international airspace?
Not sure what that is. But international waters is when you get 200 metres or something out to sea, and then anything goes. There are no laws. So you can marry someone of the same sex, and it won't be legal, and it won't be illigal.

2Brolly4


Comrade Clara

PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 11:04 pm


Civil Unions seem sort of lame. I don't plan to get married, but if I do, I want to get married. I do not want to be Civil Unionized. Oh sure, it'll just be a different certificate or whatever. But why have that different certificate? It's pointless. This whole thing against homosexuals and gay marriage is just silly. It'll pass, with time. Remeber when interracial marriage was against the law? I'm pretty sure some religious zealots used to Bible to justify that too. It didn't make it right.

Now nobody really cares whether there's an interracial couple. It'll be the same with gay marriage in a decade or so.

And by polygamy, I was asking you whether you thought polygamy should be legal or not.
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