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| Aries |
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 Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 5:51 pm
Twindream that was beautifuly written. You really are nice when it comes to be debaiting. Too bad for SOME people that I'm not that nice. Anyway since I already wrote my own argument I thought I would post it to. Hope that's ok with you. .[.pink.spider.]. I'm not gonna argue the family theme of the movie. Instead, I'm gonna question how would that support that Cloud and Tifa are link to each other romantically? I can treat people as family without thinking them in any romantic sense...Interestingly enough Nomura said something about Tifa's maternal bond:
Not only was she looking after Marlene and Denzel, but she also felt a certain maternal bond to Cloud, who is a "big kid" himself in some respects. ----Nomura Reunion files; Page 18 Oh mother games again. He says that she feels a certain maternal bond to Cloud and in CoT it says that she felt similar to what a mother would feel. OMG it's just like any other girlfriend. If Tifa only feels motherly toward Cloud then SE wouldn't be using words like similar and certain to describe it. Oh and it still doesn't change the fact that she's still the sweetheart/lover/girlfriend. Oh and since you like to play mother games, lets compare what is said about Tifa to what is said about Aeris Cloud: Mother...
Aeris: I don't need a big child like him.Not once do I hear Tifa call Cloud "A big child" and not once did I ever hear Cloud call Tifa "mother". Yeah you can say, "Oh but his eyes were closed" and "Aeris was only kidding" all you want but the facts are still there. You can't say that Tifa is only a motherly figure to Cloud when they use words like similar and certain and then refer to her as a sweetheart/KOIBITO. Which no mater how much you try to deny it points to none other then Cloud. .[.pink.spider.]. Instead of making a long explanation of how a family works(which is common knowledge to everyone here). To everyone but you .[.pink.spider.]. How about providing evidence that Cloud and Tifa are link to each other romantically in that family? We have but you keep ignoring it. .[.pink.spider.]. Here's the thing. You're saying Barret left too soon to be considered family. However, we all know their family-like relationships have been developing since the beginning of FFVII. It's not like they just met, formed the family, and then Barret left. There had to have been enough trust between Barret and Tifa in order for him to have left his daughter in her care. Take this idea and apply it to FFVII as well. There has always been trust between Barret and Tifa, even before Cloud entered the picture. Anyhow, fact is, Tifa considers Barret family and refers to him as such even if Clotis ignore him. We never said that Barret wasn't a part of the family. The point were geting at is that both Cloud and Tifa were doing fine, with and without Barret there, for almost two years. .[.pink.spider.]. AC is not about Cloud's geostigma troubling him
He knows he has it, but doesn't even care enough about it to fight for his own life (Tifa points that out)...so how can it be his biggest problem then? It's incurable. It's just like being diagnosed with HIV or Ebola. Cloud feels that their is no point in fighting it because he's going to die anyway. .[.pink.spider.]. Cloud's real problem is that he feels he has failed certain people, especially Aerith. That's what his sin is. It's why he's in need of her forgiveness. It's also because of this sense of uselessness that he decides he'd be more of a burden to his family than help. OMG you finally got something right for once. .[.pink.spider.]. Think about it though. Why is the idea that he'd failed Aerith so important to him if she's just a mere friend? We never said that Aeris was only a friend. Cloud had romantic interest in her just as he did Tifa. But romantic interest does not constitute love It was not possible for Cloud to love anyone in the first disk for these reasons. 1) Cloud had horrible psychological damaged. 2) The first disk didn't give enough time for Cloud develop feelings of LOVE toward either girl 3) The person who Cloud ends up liking (In the first disk) is completely optional and up to the player. .[.pink.spider.]. Why does Aerith's death have such a big impact on him, enough to drive him from Tifa, the woman who the Clotis claim he loves? That's pretty much saying that Aerith, a mere friend (one who's already dead, btw) is more important to him than the safety of Tifa, the woman he supposedly loves. How much sense does that make? First of all, what is this "safety" of his family you keep talking about? Their not in danger of anything until Cloud meets the Silver haired trio. Second it is Aeris and Zack's death and his weakness to protect his family that drives him away. You assume that it's only Aeris that he cares bout here when everything states otherwise. .[.pink.spider.]. Case in point--when in the movie does Cloud start fighting again?
That's right, after his trip to the Forgotten City. Before the trip, Cloud is theoretically burdened by two things: Geostigma and guilt over Aerith's death. and ZACK'S death and his weakness. .[.pink.spider.]. After the trip, what has been healed? The guilt. What has not been healed? Geostigma.
And yet, Cloud's doing leagues better already. Geostigma is a non-factor in the following battles. Goes to show which was the biggest, if not the real, problem Cloud was facing. The geostigma was the start of his grief. If he had not gotten geostigma, then he would have nothing to feel guilty for (Sense he already thought he was forgiven in the beginning of CoT) He thought the geostigma was his sin for not protecting Aeris and Zack. Aeris in particular because he had actually promised her, his protection. Zack on the other hand he most likely feels that he was too weak to stop him from getting killed by Shinra. This also brings me to another point. At the Forgotten City, before Cloud found the will to fight again, He first remembers Tifa's words and then he hears Aeris say "Why don't you forgive your self already" At that moment, I think he realized, that it couldn't be his sins against Aeris and Zack causing his geostigma (Since nother Aeris or Zack were angry at him)but something else. This also makes sense later on when he's fighting Sephiroth. Cloud didn't look surprised when Sephiroth told him that his geostigma was from him creating negative life stream energy. .[.pink.spider.]. How could I answer such a question because no such circumstances exist. Just because Cloud distanced himself from Tifa, it says nothing about how he might have reacted had it been Aerith. It certainly doesn't say Cloud WOULD react in a similar manner. After all, Aerith isn't Tifa. Since SE has made Cloud's personality a certain way, we can say that he would most likely act the same toward her. We can't however say how Aeris would reacted to Cloud in that situation.
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Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 6:21 pm
Aerith-GainsboroughVII
Aerith Gainsborough___x
I never blamed you,not once.You came for me, that's all that matters.
I find that quote really intresting...
It's from the official Final Fantasy VII Commercial.
"...a story of a Love that can never be." Cloud and Aerith are showed in the picture.Yes, again Aeris has been proven to be in love with Cloud. And their showing a picture of Aeris's death seen, signifying that her love for Cloud could never be because she dies. Aerith-GainsboroughVII
So o.O And Aerith also has the best chances to go on a date with Cloud and all that.
I'm just so confused about all that ...
Well of course Aeris is the default date because she's the one that actually asks for the date. But to be perfectly honest Aeris, Tifa, and Yuffie all end up dragging Cloud out for the date. The only date that Cloud goes on with his own weight is the one with Barret. rolleyes
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Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 1:47 am
Aerith Gainsborough___x I never blamed you,not once.You came for me, that's all that matters.
First of all,Aerith is reffered to as Mother because she is the last cetra.In the game,Sephiroth always was made believe that he and Jenova were the last cetra's,yet Aerith was,that is why Cloud is calling her mother,like Kadaj and the others...since they realised Jenova isn't that most powerful thing ever that would bring them to the Promised Land.Aerith is. >.> That doesn't have to do anything with a motherly figure,since Kadaj and all the others are remants, they called her mother, and that is also why Cloud does, since they called him "Brother."
And "A Love that could never be.." there they speak of a LOVE between two people and not of a one sided one -.-!
And as far as I could tell you really HATE Aerith and you try to get your CloTi trough with WHATEVER reasons you need...
And don't you tell me you're objective...and look for facts.It's not a fact that Aerith is a slut...As you bring it in you speak of facts.Here I don't see one.
The "Aerith is a slut thing.."makes you sound kind of immature,you know?If you bash others opinions. gonk
Even the creator of Final Fantasy said he wants to bring in more CloudxAerith...They didn't even understand the fact that there was a love trangle?
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Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 3:10 am
Aerith-GainsboroughVII
First of all,Aerith is reffered to as Mother because she is the last cetra.In the game,Sephiroth always was made believe that he and Jenova were the last cetra's,yet Aerith was,that is why Cloud is calling her mother,like Kadaj and the others...since they realised Jenova isn't that most powerful thing ever that would bring them to the Promised Land.Aerith is. >.> That doesn't have to do anything with a motherly figure,since Kadaj and all the others are remants, they called her mother, and that is also why Cloud does, since they called him "Brother." You really have no proof for this conjecture but I'll entertain the idea for argument sake. That could be true, however in the Reunion files they specifically say that Kadaj actually thought he was talking to Jinova not Aeris. And as far as Cloud calling Aeris mother is concerned, I personally believe that everyone see Aeris as a mother figure. She's the iconic symbol for the planet, like a mother earth. That's just my opinion though. Personally the whole mother argument on either side is old already but pink just had to bring it up. I was simply making a point. If pink thinks she can win by saying that Tifa is nothing but a mother figure to Cloud, then I can say the same thing about Aeris. Meaning the entir argument is mute since both are refered to being motherly toward Cloud. Aerith-GainsboroughVII
And "A Love that could never be.." there they speak of a LOVE between two people and not of a one sided one -.-! I can't believe you're hanging your hopes on that one commercial. First of all, you have no proof to say that it's referring to the both of them. Second, if this were true then it would be going against the entire compilations story line. While Cloud did like Aeris romantically he never once made a jester that signified love. I never heard Cloud tell Aeris, that he wanted her by his side form now on and Aeris was never once referred to as a Sweetheart/KOIBITO by SE. I could go on and on but I've already done that since page 79. If Aeris had lived to the end of the game the perhaps it would have been different but that's not what happened. The last thing I wanted to say about that commercial, is that it's inaccurate because they say "A hate that always was" but we all know, that Cloud didn't always hate Sephiroth. In fact, he looked up to him for long time until he became evil. Aerith-GainsboroughVII
And as far as I could tell you really HATE Aerith and you try to get your CloTi trough with WHATEVER reasons you need... Yeah I hate Aeris but doesn't mean that I'm going to ignore the reality of the story line. I'm not going to say that Cloud and Aeris were nothing but platonic, just because I don't like that couple. Why? Because that would deminish the credibility of my argument. That would be just as stupid as Cleris saying, Cloud and Tifa were nothing but platonic, when it's more then obveous they wernt. It's just like Ranma and Akane. I totaly hate Akane but just because I hate her doesn't mean that their not cannon. Why? because the evidence of them loving eachother is there. Aerith-GainsboroughVII
and look for facts.It's not a fact that Aerith is a slut...As you bring it in you speak of facts.Here I don't see one.
The "Aerith is a slut thing.."makes you sound kind of immature,you know?If you bash others opinions. gonk WTF!!!! When the hell did I ever say Aeris was a slut in this argument. I'm guessing you went and read a bunch of other threads or read my profile to come up with this idea. As far as this discussion/debate is concerned I never once called her a slut. Not to mention that, weather I think Aeris is a slut or not, doesn't make a damn difference in this debate. I never once used my opinion on Aeris as fact though this whole argument. The only thing that maters is proving who Cloud loves by using evidence, character/creator quotes, and logic. Aerith-GainsboroughVII Even the creator of Final Fantasy said he wants to bring in more CloudxAerith...They didn't even understand the fact that there was a love trangle? This is a complete lie because if you look in Aeris's character bio in the CD pamphlet it says... Young, beautiful, and somewhat mysterious, Aeris met Cloud while selling flowers on the streets of Midgar. She decided to join him soon after. Her unusual abilities enable her to use magic, but she seems more interested in the deepening the love triangle between herself, Cloud and Tifa.
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Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 1:52 pm
Aerith Gainsborough___x I never blamed you,not once.You came for me, that's all that matters.
Arguments are arguments,opnions are opinions.But I can tell you one thing.I've only played the natianol version of Final Fantasy VII, and never the english one.That means following.
Tifa's description is different,it doesn't say something with a love triangle.o.O!
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Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 8:59 pm
Tifa's description never said anything about a love triangle. *Sighs* Her description merely said that she has feelings for Cloud but doesn't have the heart to tell him how she feels. On the other hand, Aeris' description had something to do with the triangle. It said that she was interested in Tifa and Cloud's relationship, deepening the love triangle. She was the one who instigated the whole triangle crap. She knew that Tifa had feelings for Cloud, but decided to heat things up by flirting with him.
Really....some of the things you say are inaccurate and a lot, irrelevant. Not to be mean or anything, but that just makes RXH pissed. (If you couldn't tell already.)
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Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 1:46 pm
.[.pink.spider.]. Why does Aerith's death have such a big impact on him, enough to drive him from Tifa, the woman who the Clotis claim he loves? That's pretty much saying that Aerith, a mere friend (one who's already dead, btw) is more important to him than the safety of Tifa, the woman he supposedly loves. How much sense does that make?
"I said I would live both our lives."
That's a very impacting statement!
If Tifa... if Tifa had died, I think Cloud would of grieved just as much as he did for Aeris AND Zack. Why? Because, Cloud would of blamed himself for not being to keep their promise, for not being able to protect her AGAIN, and for failing her alltogether. The way you state this, you make it seem like Aeris is the only person on earth that Cloud has EVER cared about. The fact is, Zack was his first true friend, and then came Tifa.(Actually, Tifa came first, but I think their closeness developed more after Cloud came back after Zack died.)Aeris was probably the third or fourth important person. Then, came the other friends afterwards.
Now, the order he met them has nothing to do with what I'm trying to say. The point I'm trying to make, is that Aeris is not the only one Cloud is very close to, and therefore it's not all that safe to just assume that Cloud wouldn't of reacted with the same remorse and guilt if Tifa, or anyone else close to him had died. And Aeris didn't DRIVE Cloud away from Tifa. Cloud had the geostigma, AND he felt guilty. He felt like he couldn't help anyone anyways, in his condition. He basically thought himself worthless. It's in Advent Children, that Tifa encourages him to do the right thing. She greatly contributed to helping him recover from his state of pain, just like she did in his subconsious. And why, why does what Tifa say have such an impact on Cloud? You pink, have always had this thing where you say that Tifa doesn't really KNOW Cloud. And that Cloud doesn't really know Tifa. And, I think you couldn't be more wrong. Tifa is the SOUL person who helped Cloud to understand who he REALLY was. Not Aeris, not anyone else but her. If Tifa helped Cloud see who he really was, then how is she NOT understanding him? What doesn't make sense to me, is how you cannot see that Cloud obviously felt guilty because he couldn't save Aeris. That guilt, was a BURDEN to him. If Tifa had died, he'd have the same guilt!
And you said to my pictures of Cloud saving Tifa, that saving was a form of passion. So, you're saying that if Cloud had tried, or suceeded in saving Aeris at any time, that that's NOT passion? I think not.
Protecting someone you care about IS passion.
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Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 5:18 pm
before I adress anything else I want to adress the reunion files.
http://flaregamer.com/b2article.php?p=122&more=1
Dudes its been old new and its funny how this can be used as cloti proof because it seems you havent read all of the reunion files.
It seems as though this voice actor of Cloud prefers Tifa but so what? Is that not the same as Amano prefering Aerith. That simply proves nothing except the dudes own personal preference does it not?
Quote: and what about Nojima's little blurb on pg. 6: [Tifa]'s very much like any other woman who's been left behind by a man.
Ouch, much?
Quote: The director, Nomura, said he wanted me to make sure she wasn't a clingy woman, but to portray her as though she's been hurt emotionally in a way that others around her cannot easily detect. But Tifa has expressed her feelings plainly to Cloud a number of times.
The "hurt emotionally" bit doesn't bode well for CloTi. After all, why would a man allow a woman he loved to be hurt like this? Plus, the CloTis have always said that, if Tifa were ever to express her feelings to Cloud, he would happily run into her arms and have HAWT SECKS. However, if she has told him how she feels and he still isn't showing interest in her... that doesn't bode well for CloTi either.
And...
Also the blurb about Tifa still not being able to understand all the complexities of Cloud's heart even though she's been with him for a large part of her life. Some people like to claim Tifa is the only one who fully understands Cloud -- well, what can I say? Thank you, Nomura.
Quote: For Cloud, no one other than Aerith can solve that problem for him. I tried to create an atmosphere for him in which she still seems to be by his side- in spirit at least...
Quote: "Tifa was a very difficult character to create. Like Aerith, she also has a maternal side to her, but in a different sense. Not only was she looking after Marlene and Denzel, but she also felt a certain maternal bond to Cloud who is a "big kid himself" in some respects."
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Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 5:34 pm
I dont know why there is all this fighting Cloud even though he never showed it loved Tifa and Aeris equally and cares for both. I know its hard to believe but he did care for both of the ladies than one over the other. The ladies didnt really fight over him even though sometimes Tifa was jealous when she caught Aeris that one time but they dont really hate each other for it. Sorry for butting in just saying my opinion.
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Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 6:11 pm
He really like Tifa you can see it in his eyes?? meow
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Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 7:00 pm
.[.pink.spider.]. before I adress anything else I want to adress the reunion files.
http://flaregamer.com/b2article.php?p=122&more=1
Dudes its been old new and its funny how this can be used as cloti proof because it seems you havent read all of the reunion files.
It seems as though this voice actor of Cloud prefers Tifa but so what? Is that not the same as Amano prefering Aerith. That simply proves nothing except the dudes own personal preference does it not? It's funny that you speak of Amano that way since you've used his art work as proof a million times before. Gee you obviously didn't read the all of the reunion files either if that's all you got. This isn't even relevant to the conversation. .[.pink.spider.]. and what about Nojima's little blurb on pg. 6: [Tifa]'s very much like any other woman who's been left behind by a man.
Ouch, much?
The director, Nomura, said he wanted me to make sure she wasn't a clingy woman, but to portray her as though she's been hurt emotionally in a way that others around her cannot easily detect. But Tifa has expressed her feelings plainly to Cloud a number of times. Of course Tifa is sad and Cloud at that time had left her. But it's not the fact that he left that maters but what he left for, and no it wasn't because of "his lundying love for Aeris," it was because of his guilt. over Aeris and Zack. Lunar was right, you think that Aeris is the only person or thing that Cloud cares about. How lame. .[.pink.spider.]. The "hurt emotionally" bit doesn't bode well for CloTi. After all, why would a man allow a woman he loved to be hurt like this? Cloud doesn't know he's hurting her because Tifa hides it. Why? Because as Nomura said, she wants Cloud to figure things out for himself. .[.pink.spider.]. Plus, the CloTis have always said that, if Tifa were ever to express her feelings to Cloud, he would happily run into her arms and have HAWT SECKS. However, if she has told him how she feels and he still isn't showing interest in her... that doesn't bode well for CloTi either. Oh and I guess spending the night with her under the highwind, telling her that he wants her by his side from now on, and telling her and the end of AC "I home" with a smile, means nothing. Oh and what you Cleris say is so much better, like Cloud meeting Aeris at the end of AC and having spirit SEX in the flowerfeilds. .[.pink.spider.]. Also the blurb about Tifa still not being able to understand all the complexities of Cloud's heart even though she's been with him for a large part of her life. Some people like to claim Tifa is the only one who fully understands Cloud -- well, what can I say? Thank you, Nomura. Oh and Aeris understands him sooooo much better right. Thats why she was so surprised to see the real Cloud in "The Maiden" and since you like thanking Nomura so much, you can also thank him for calling Tifa a KOIBITO and for referring to Cloud as "Her man." And since you're thanking people at SE you can thank Nojima for this "The incredible guilt Cloud feels because of what happened to Aerith can only be lifted by forgiveness from Aerith herself."
- Kazushige NojimaIt says nothing about love does it. Oooooooooo .[.pink.spider.]. For Cloud, no one other than Aerith can solve that problem for him. I tried to create an atmosphere for him in which she still seems to be by his side- in spirit at least... Another stupid statement made by Pinkspider. Once again you have no proof. This is just like that earlier statement about Nomura laughing in my face because he's 100% Cleris. Ahahahahahahahaha!!!! .[.pink.spider.]. "Tifa was a very difficult character to create. Like Aerith, she also has a maternal side to her, but in a different sense. Not only was she looking after Marlene and Denzel, but she also felt a certain maternal bond to Cloud who is a "big kid himself" in some respects." I'm glad you highlighted "but in a different sense" because if Tifa felt the same motherly bond as Aeris then she would be calling Cloud "a big child" just as Aeris did. Oh and I guess you didn't see " certain maternal bond" "She's remarkably strong, not only emotionally, but physically as well. I think that using words to help lead Cloud to his own conclusions, instead of constant lecture, is a defining quality of Tifa's personality."
- Tetsuya Nomura
Nomura spoke in reference to a defining moment near the end of FF7. During an intimate moment, Tifa tells Cloud that "feelings aren't conveyed by words alone." Players are lead to their own conclusions, as they watch Cloud and Tifa wake up together the next morning.
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Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 7:02 pm
golem98626 I dont know why there is all this fighting Cloud even though he never showed it loved Tifa and Aeris equally and cares for both. I know its hard to believe but he did care for both of the ladies than one over the other. The ladies didnt really fight over him even though sometimes Tifa was jealous when she caught Aeris that one time but they dont really hate each other for it. Sorry for butting in just saying my opinion. As you can see from my arguments, I have never said that Cloud didn't like Aeris romantically he just didn't love her because he technically didn't LOVE anybody in the first disk. Read my other arguments.
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Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 10:11 pm
RanmaxHikaru Oh and I guess spending the night with her under the highwind, telling her that he wants her by his side from now on, and telling her and the end of AC "I home" with a smile, means nothing. Oh and what you Cleris say is so much better, like Cloud meeting Aeris at the end of AC and having spirit SEX in the flowerfeilds. I just wanted to say that for Cleriths, it's not about the "sex" at all. Sex does not equal true love, as I'm pretty sure we all know. :3 Since when did we say spirit!sex happened in the flowerfields? Cloud is most certainly NOT that kind of guy, and I think it's completely ridiculous that Cloud and Tifa supposedly had sex under the highwind. Tifa's shy. Cloud's...Cloud. At that time, with their history of romantic development....No. sweatdrop
ANYWAY. Back to the main topic; I don't see Cloud letting go of Aerith. What about all those pictures of the flowerfield Cloud has all over his walls, and the bouquet on his desk? I'm pretty sure that means he disembarked from his motorcycle, walked through the fields, took photographs, and picked flowers. Now, either Cloud has discovered a sudden passion for gardening, or he's thinking about (or visiting) a certain someone who seems to reside in the flowerfields. D: Oh, right, and I don't get what you mean about Cloud saying he's "home" to Tifa at the end of AC. I believe that at the end, the very end, he smiled at Aerith and said "I'm not alone....Not anymore." Now, what could that possibly mean? Many things, I take it. But it only came after Aerith's reassurance that he would be alright. In my interpretation, he meant that he could rest at peace knowing Aerith (and Zack) would be there for him still. Or summat. D: Cloud and Tifa have had no romantic progression. At all. For what now...Eight years? Either Tifa's got to work up some emotional bravery, or CloTi isn't going to be canonized for a good, long while, if ever, which I believe it won't. D: Hmmm....I think that's about it for now? D: I'm really, truly sorry if anything was offensive, but I'm really, REALLY bad at expressing myself, and this probably made no sense whatsoever. 8D Although, common sense stands that no romantic progression for eight years means that there's something not right. Again, I'm sorry! sweatdrop I mean no personal offense to anyone, only to the pairing itself that I was referring to. >w< Please don't shoot me. <3
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Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 12:37 am
Lutearina RanmaxHikaru Oh and I guess spending the night with her under the highwind, telling her that he wants her by his side from now on, and telling her and the end of AC "I home" with a smile, means nothing. Oh and what you Cleris say is so much better, like Cloud meeting Aeris at the end of AC and having spirit SEX in the flowerfeilds. I just wanted to say that for Cleriths, it's not about the "sex" at all. Sex does not equal true love, as I'm pretty sure we all know. :3 Since when did we say spirit!sex happened in the flowerfields? Cloud is most certainly NOT that kind of guy, and I think it's completely ridiculous that Cloud and Tifa supposedly had sex under the highwind. Tifa's shy. Cloud's...Cloud. At that time, with their history of romantic development....No. sweatdrop I never said that Cloud and Tifa had SEX. I said that they slept together. Sleeping together actually means "sleeping together" and nothing else. Lutearina ANYWAY. Back to the main topic; I don't see Cloud letting go of Aerith. What about all those pictures of the flowerfield Cloud has all over his walls, and the bouquet on his desk? I'm pretty sure that means he disembarked from his motorcycle, walked through the fields, took photographs, and picked flowers. Now, either Cloud has discovered a sudden passion for gardening, or he's thinking about (or visiting) a certain someone who seems to reside in the flowerfields. D: If he's really meeting Aeris then why isn't it shown to us where as Cloud and Tifa's party was actually shown? As for the flowers and pictures, They were picked and captured in memory of Aeris, just as the pink ribbons were also in her memory. All the main characters wore ribbons during Advent Children, some more prominently than others. This was added because the staff realized that at no point in the script does anyone speak of Aerith. Instead of adding dialogue, the staff decided to create a sign that shows that they haven't forgotten her. The characters no longer wear the ribbons after Advent Children, as seen in the Final Fantasy VII: Dirge of Cerberus game which takes place a year after the movie.Lutearina Oh, right, and I don't get what you mean about Cloud saying he's "home" to Tifa at the end of AC. Oh please... He meant he was home with Tifa, since the camera zoomed in on her when he said it. Lutearina I believe that at the end, the very end, he smiled at Aerith and said "I'm not alone....Not anymore." Now, what could that possibly mean? Many things, I take it. But it only came after Aerith's reassurance that he would be alright. In my interpretation, he meant that he could rest at peace knowing Aerith (and Zack) would be there for him still. First of all he smiled at both Aeris and Zack. Second, he didn't smile until the both of them were completely gone. Third, Cloud wont be able to talk to Aeris or Zack after a while, since eventually they will both return to the lifestream. It says so in "The Maiden" and if you remember, even Aeris couldn't talk to her mother after a while. The "Im not alone" line is because I think he realized that he was never really alone. Lutearina Or summat. D: Cloud and Tifa have had no romantic progression. At all. For what now...Eight years? Either Tifa's got to work up some emotional bravery, or CloTi isn't going to be canonized for a good, long while, if ever, which I believe it won't. If you have read my arguments you will see that they have more then enough progression. They were more then happy for almost two years with and with out Barret. Cloud got geostigma, which lead to him feeling guilty about his sins. He thought the geostigma was karma for what happened to Aeris and Zack. Also, you Cleris think that just because Cloud and Tifa had one fight that there a bad dysfunctional couple. That just stupid, since people that have been married for more then 50 years still have fights all the time. Lutearina D: Hmmm....I think that's about it for now? D: I'm really, truly sorry if anything was offensive, but I'm really, REALLY bad at expressing myself, and this probably made no sense whatsoever. 8D Although, common sense stands that no romantic progression for eight years means that there's something not right. Again, I'm sorry! sweatdrop I mean no personal offense to anyone, only to the pairing itself that I was referring to. >w< Please don't shoot me. <3 Please read the thread from page 79 before you write again. We have already spoken about all of this already.
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