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1. I just plain like the couple, it's cute xD
2. Like I said, she is the most forward, displaying affection throughout the entire game(if you got her early and kept her in your party...like I did). Sure, some might say she only did it for materia, but would she go all that way just for shiny rocks? even after the Wutai incident she shows affection for Cloud. I'm pretty sure that while Aeris is being dead and Tifa is still trying to gather the courage to say 3 words, Yuffie will be there to steal Cloud's heart. If you don't act on a love, it isn't love for long.

Actually it was his sickness that made him have regrets, but having that request from Elmira definitely didn't help his situation either.



Agrees!! 3nodding



Agrees again!! 3nodding

Actually at first I thought that too but then Cloud was angst before he got the request from Elmyra. So it made me realized that it had to be the Geostigma that started it all.

Cloud thought that by living his life with Tifa he could be forgiven but then when he got the geostigma he feels that perhaps he really wasn't forgiven after all. He feels it's his karma or sin for not protecting Aeris and Zack. Which is why he asks Vincent if sins can be forgiven. Cloud has no idea that the geostigma is really from Sephiroth, creating negative life stream energy, until he tell him. (Happens at the end when their fighting.)

I'm not gonna argue the family theme of the movie. Instead, I'm gonna question how would that support that Cloud and Tifa are link to each other romantically? I can treat people as family without thinking them in any romantic sense...Interestingly enough Nomura said something about Tifa's maternal bond:
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Not only was she looking after Marlene and Denzel, but she also felt a certain maternal bond to Cloud, who is a "big kid" himself in some respects. ----Nomura Reunion files; Page 18
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Instead of making a long explanation of how a family works(which is common knowledge to everyone here). How about providing evidence that Cloud and Tifa are link to each other romantically in that family?



Where does it say that Cloud, Tifa, Marlene, and Denzel have their own little family without Barret? First off, Marlene is Barret's kid...not Cloud's. The biggest thing, though, is Tifa shares a maternal bond with Cloud who is like a big kid himself in some respects. Even if these four did kick Barret out and somehow formed a family of their own, Cloud would not be the father of that little family.



Here's the thing. You're saying Barret left too soon to be considered family. However, we all know their family-like relationships have been developing since the beginning of FFVII. It's not like they just met, formed the family, and then Barret left. There had to have been enough trust between Barret and Tifa in order for him to have left his daughter in her care. Take this idea and apply it to FFVII as well. There has always been trust between Barret and Tifa, even before Cloud entered the picture. Anyhow, fact is, Tifa considers Barret family and refers to him as such even if Clotis ignore him.

Fact > an opinion of what a family should be like


AC is not about Cloud's geostigma troubling him
He knows he has it, but doesn't even care enough about it to fight for his own life (Tifa points that out)...so how can it be his biggest problem then?

Cloud's real problem is that he feels he has failed certain people, especially Aerith. That's what his sin is. It's why he's in need of her forgiveness. It's also because of this sense of uselessness that he decides he'd be more of a burden to his family than help. Think about it though. Why is the idea that he'd failed Aerith so important to him if she's just a mere friend? Why does Aerith's death have such a big impact on him, enough to drive him from Tifa, the woman who the Clotis claim he loves? That's pretty much saying that Aerith, a mere friend (one who's already dead, btw) is more important to him than the safety of Tifa, the woman he supposedly loves. How much sense does that make?

Case in point--when in the movie does Cloud start fighting again?

That's right, after his trip to the Forgotten City. Before the trip, Cloud is theoretically burdened by two things: Geostigma and guilt over Aerith's death.

After the trip, what has been healed? The guilt. What has not been healed? Geostigma.

And yet, Cloud's doing leagues better already. Geostigma is a non-factor in the following battles. Goes to show which was the biggest, if not the real, problem Cloud was facing.

...Besides, you know, Cloud spelling it out crystal clearly what his problem was in CoT: that he couldn't unlose lost lives. He's not concerned with saving lives, he's concerned with those who have already lost theirs.



How could I answer such a question because no such circumstances exist. Just because Cloud distanced himself from Tifa, it says nothing about how he might have reacted had it been Aerith. It certainly doesn't say Cloud WOULD react in a similar manner. After all, Aerith isn't Tifa.

may I please ask what CoT is? I've never heard any of that in the games, and thus I am forced to believe it is a pack of lies

Eclipse of Origin

may I please ask what CoT is? I've never heard any of that in the games, and thus I am forced to believe it is a pack of lies

Case of Tifa-on the way to the smile
It was not written by square but approved and is official

approved by square
its a story put in Tifa's point of view on what happened between the 2 year gap before advent children
it is official because although square didnt write it they approved it as an official work

I'm not talking about any "romantic" feelings or anything. I'm just talking about them as a family, as the supposed parents. I'm just saying that they still have a strong bond despite all that crap they went through.



Of course, but Aeris is referred to as a "mother" as well. But that doesn't mean that Tifa doesn't love Cloud romantically. There's no point in arguing against that because throughout FFVII and even CoT, they show that Tifa loves Cloud even though she isn't striving towards a romantic relationship. (though, she does want to) She merely wants be near him and look after him. Aeris was the most direct, wanting to pursue a relationship, but what she wants is similar to Tifa...to look after Cloud.



Geez...I never said anything about romantic feelings. I was just talking about their relationship in the family.....I'm just trying to prove that their relationship isn't broken and that they aren't incompatible.


Of course Marlene is Barret's kid, but he's gone now isn't he? (Good grief, I KNOW that Marlene isn't Cloud's kid! Nor is she Tifa's!) If you read CoT, Cloud actually shows fatherly characteristics. When Marlene and Denzel are sitting around the table with him talking about places on the map, Cloud explains, talks to them like a dad. Here, he isn't like a child. And this was the start to the family without Barret. Tifa had one line, one moment where she had motherly feelings for Cloud, when he felt like he had to ask permission from her. That's when he was developing his own character. All Tifa is doing is pushing him on. On the other hand, he shows fatherly characteristics towards Marlene and Denzel. Apparently you have to revisit CoT.




Ah, true......I take back what I said about trust. Though, what you're saying is that Cloud and Tifa are depending on Barret to keep the family going. I see little dependence here. What is Barret? A bar bouncer. He isn't much significance except as a father of Marlene in which he hands her to Cloud and Tifa to take care of.



It is one of the problems (and I never said it was his biggest problem). His major problem is his guilt, guilt over his friends' death, Aeris and Zack, and not being able to protect anyone, the main conflict within the movie. Geostigma did take him away from his family though and that is also another conflict, not wanting to bring harm to the people he cares about because he's afraid that he wouldn't be able to protect them, save them. So what's the best way to avoid that? To bring your problems with you so that the ones you love don't get a share in it.

Okay, that is your own opinion. There aren't enough facts to support that. Yes, Aeris' death was a real problem, but it wasn't the only one. Of course, not being able to protect Aeris when he was RIGHT there hurt him the most. Aeris isn't just a "mere" friend, she was a "close" friend or whatever you want to call it. Her death really hit his psyche hard obviously, and we all know that already, but that can't be interpreted as love because there isn't enough evidence and the evidence for Cloti also brings that down. Love and guilt can't be related I already stated that leaving the family was his way of saving them from his uslessness.



Ehh.....actually, it was Vincent who got Cloud to fight again, Cloud was going to "try" to have his sins forgiven. Tifa and Aeris both pushed him to forgive himself before Vincent's turn yes. Aeris doesn't get all the credit...geez.



Healed? No, process in being healed? Yes. If his guilt was healed right then, why would Cloud say that he's going to try to have his sins forgiven?

At first, Cloud was okay with everything, even being the optimist, even around Aeris' mother when he said sorry, he didn't sink into guilt. It was only the request for flowers for Aeris grave that triggered the guilt. In the battles after the trip, he was fighting the guilt. By fighting he could forgive himself and make up for guilt.




What I'm trying to say really is that just because he treated Tifa this doesn't mean that he'd treat Aeris that. Both are pretty much treated the same way. I'm not trying to get into anything romantical or whatever, I'm just trying to say that both Tifa and Aeris are both equal. (Okay, real bad way of saying it, I apologize...I like making metaphors and etc....)