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 Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 6:07 pm
Tatsuman Eggness NeoFlux64 Wow they should really make a thread about clones in the smash series. This is getting ridiculous. No, Tatsuman and his buddies need to pull their heads out of their asses. I don't know why they're in such denial about the clones.
No reason to get personal.
Damn, dude. They just aren't clones. Take any Melee clone, even Luigi (who I don't consider a clone, but whatever) and they just aren't that similar.
They have maybe 2-4 moves in common, and they don't even work the same.
But if all you're going to do is curse and insult me,
while not backing up anything you say, nor countering my arguments, we can just drop it right here.
This isn't a school yard.
I have to agree with you on that. Saying something without having ANYTHING to back it up is just like saying a man robbed the bank then he escapes, then the money is in your hands, and simply saying "That man did it" isn't going to help you.
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Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 6:08 pm
Let's speak of other thing to take our minds off this. Stages, perhaps! Have there been any unmentioned stages that have caught your eye? Or how about stage building? Got any ideas of what you may make?
BTW, since they've already posted info on how to unlock chars on various gaming sites, they've also pointed out that you also unlock pieces to use for stage building.
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Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 6:08 pm
We're pretty much going off of our speculation and what we think and see instead of fact. We can't really know for sure until the game comes out. I personally think that there are a number of clones that....shouldn't be clones, but I'm just going to agree to disagree with those who say that there aren't clones or that there aren't alot of clones. But still, with all of the time that Sakurai spent into every other aspect of the game, Game Modes, Stages, Unlockables, Stickers, ATs, and everything else like that, he could've found some time to work on Toon Link's move set or different FS's for other characters. It's just ridiculous.
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Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 6:09 pm
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Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 6:10 pm
Eggness xXxBusterxXx If you think Falco, Lucas, Wolf, and Luigi are clones....your very much retarded. Well then give me a helmet. DEREREDDREDERDERRRRGRREDER. They are NOT in denial! Personally, I don't look at them as clones, to me they're either characters I may main, or just punching bags. Can we just PLEASE drop the clone debate? When Brawl comes out, you can settle your disputes in the ring, maybe Warioware, or Skyworld even, lets just drop it!If you're gonna call them edits, or whatever you're just splitting hairs, and you're completely missing the point. The characters are basically the same, and that's bullshit on Sakurai's part.So you'd rather they just take out clones completely? 29 characters or 35? I... I'd opt for the 35 even if they are clones. Which they aren't.... sorry, I just had to say that
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Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 6:11 pm
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Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 6:14 pm
Eggness If you're gonna call them edits, or whatever you're just splitting hairs, and you're completely missing the point. The characters are basically the same, and that's bullshit on Sakurai's part.
Video or it didn't happen xd
But seriously dude, they just aren't. If you want them to be so you can hate on Sakurai, then go ahead.
If you think they are, prove it.
That's all I'm going to say on the matter. This is getting stupid.
nirvanafan We're pretty much going off of our speculation and what we think and see instead of fact. We can't really know for sure until the game comes out. I personally think that there are a number of clones that....shouldn't be clones, but I'm just going to agree to disagree with those who say that there aren't clones or that there aren't alot of clones. But still, with all of the time that Sakurai spent into every other aspect of the game, Game Modes, Stages, Unlockables, Stickers, ATs, and everything else like that, he could've found some time to work on Toon Link's move set or different FS's for other characters. It's just ridiculous.
I'm not going off of speculation. I'm going off of fact. Just by watching the vids, you can tell they aren't clones. Not edits. Not Luigified.
Different characters that look similar, and have shared FSs.
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Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 6:15 pm
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Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 6:16 pm
nirvanafan We're pretty much going off of our speculation and what we think and see instead of fact. We can't really know for sure until the game comes out. I personally think that there are a number of clones that....shouldn't be clones, but I'm just going to agree to disagree with those who say that there aren't clones or that there aren't alot of clones. But still, with all of the time that Sakurai spent into every other aspect of the game, Game Modes, Stages, Unlockables, Stickers, ATs, and everything else like that, he could've found some time to work on Toon Link's move set or different FS's for other characters. It's just ridiculous.
...But we just need to hold out a bit longer. Maybe there are changes to the chars we don't know of!
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Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 6:16 pm
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Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 6:16 pm
NeoFlux64 Tatsuman Eggness NeoFlux64 Wow they should really make a thread about clones in the smash series. This is getting ridiculous. No, Tatsuman and his buddies need to pull their heads out of their asses. I don't know why they're in such denial about the clones.
No reason to get personal.
Damn, dude. They just aren't clones. Take any Melee clone, even Luigi (who I don't consider a clone, but whatever) and they just aren't that similar.
They have maybe 2-4 moves in common, and they don't even work the same.
But if all you're going to do is curse and insult me,
while not backing up anything you say, nor countering my arguments, we can just drop it right here.
This isn't a school yard.
I have to agree with you on that. Saying something without having ANYTHING to back it up is just like saying a man robbed the bank then he escapes, then the money is in your hands, and simply saying "That man did it" isn't going to help you. Okay then why does fox have to have the same special moves as Fox and Falco? Why couldn't it be like Mario, and Bowser, or Link, and Ganondorf. They're from the same game, but are completely different characters. Ness, and Lucas are damn near identical. The only special move that is different is PK Ice, and it does pretty much the same thing. Wolf's moves might be a little different looking, and maybe their effects are slightly tweaked, but they're still the same moves at heart.
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Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 6:18 pm
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Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 6:19 pm
Eggness NeoFlux64 Tatsuman Eggness NeoFlux64 Wow they should really make a thread about clones in the smash series. This is getting ridiculous. No, Tatsuman and his buddies need to pull their heads out of their asses. I don't know why they're in such denial about the clones.
No reason to get personal.
Damn, dude. They just aren't clones. Take any Melee clone, even Luigi (who I don't consider a clone, but whatever) and they just aren't that similar.
They have maybe 2-4 moves in common, and they don't even work the same.
But if all you're going to do is curse and insult me,
while not backing up anything you say, nor countering my arguments, we can just drop it right here.
This isn't a school yard.
I have to agree with you on that. Saying something without having ANYTHING to back it up is just like saying a man robbed the bank then he escapes, then the money is in your hands, and simply saying "That man did it" isn't going to help you. Okay then why does fox have to have the same special moves as Fox and Falco? Why couldn't it be like Mario, and Bowser, or Link, and Ganondorf. They're from the same game, but are completely different characters. Ness, and Lucas are damn near identical. The only special move that is different is PK Ice, and it does pretty much the same thing. Wolf's moves might be a little different looking, and maybe their effects are slightly tweaked, but they're still the same moves at heart. Just shut the ******** up, your wrong toon Link and ganondorf are the only clones if you watched gameplay videos you would realize that.
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Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 6:22 pm
xXxBusterxXx Just shut the ******** up, your wrong toon Link and ganondorf are the only clones if you watched gameplay videos you would realize that. I HAVE watched gameplay videos. Akuyoko So you'd rather they just take out clones completely? 29 characters or 35? I... I'd opt for the 35 even if they are clones. Which they aren't.... sorry, I just had to say thatYES! But I'd really prefer that the spent the time wasted on making these clones would have been better spent. I'd rather have 35, 34, or even just 30 unique characters. And I'm not just hating on Sakurai. He's awesome for making such a great game, but with the clones it's just like "wtf Sakurai?"
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Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 6:22 pm
Eggness NeoFlux64 Tatsuman Eggness NeoFlux64 Wow they should really make a thread about clones in the smash series. This is getting ridiculous. No, Tatsuman and his buddies need to pull their heads out of their asses. I don't know why they're in such denial about the clones.
No reason to get personal.
Damn, dude. They just aren't clones. Take any Melee clone, even Luigi (who I don't consider a clone, but whatever) and they just aren't that similar.
They have maybe 2-4 moves in common, and they don't even work the same.
But if all you're going to do is curse and insult me,
while not backing up anything you say, nor countering my arguments, we can just drop it right here.
This isn't a school yard.
I have to agree with you on that. Saying something without having ANYTHING to back it up is just like saying a man robbed the bank then he escapes, then the money is in your hands, and simply saying "That man did it" isn't going to help you. Okay then why does fox have to have the same special moves as Fox and Falco? Why couldn't it be like Mario, and Bowser, or Link, and Ganondorf. They're from the same game, but are completely different characters. Ness, and Lucas are damn near identical. The only special move that is different is PK Ice, and it does pretty much the same thing. Wolf's moves might be a little different looking, and maybe their effects are slightly tweaked, but they're still the same moves at heart. He doesn't. Falco's specials are pretty much clone moves with tweaks, I'll give you that. Their standard set is COMPLETELY different.
Wolf doesn't even share the specials.
Ness and Lucas have ONLY their specials and FS in common.
You haven't watched any gameplay videos with Ness or Lucas in them if you think that.
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