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Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 2:49 am
Aerith Gainsborough___x I never blamed you,not once.You came for me, that's all that matters. For the game,actually the player decides,whether he likes Aerith or Tifa more,Cloud treats them differently. As for the movie,I found Cloud ignored Tifa in the 'romantic' thing.And whenever Tifa is with Cloud,he goes all emo over Aerith.
Now I've read that Cloud is just searching for forgiveness cuz of the geostigma thing and that he lived with Tifa happily.And,there's lotsa hints for Tifa and Aerith.
BUT,when Sephiroth asks him what he cherishes most,Cloud thinks of Aerith first. And,wasn't Aerith the certain someone he's been searching for in Kingdom hearts?She's the one that'll wait for him,and isn't chasing him...
Who Cloud really likes,is never gonna be solved,because there's a few hints here and a few hints there.I prefer CloudxAerith, just because I think its more romantic. heart I don't want things like "HOMG WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS WRONG CLOUD LOVES TIFAAA!". It's just my opionion.CloudxTifa might be more realistic,but CloudxAerith is more for...a hopeless romantic like me ^^
Reading all the reasons and stuff the CloTi's gave,my dreams shattered o_O
*ish emotionally scared for life*
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Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 10:36 am
Aerith-GainsboroughVII
Aerith Gainsborough___x I never blamed you,not once.You came for me, that's all that matters. For the game,actually the player decides,whether he likes Aerith or Tifa more,Cloud treats them differently. As for the movie,I found Cloud ignored Tifa in the 'romantic' thing.And whenever Tifa is with Cloud,he goes all emo over Aerith.
Now I've read that Cloud is just searching for forgiveness cuz of the geostigma thing and that he lived with Tifa happily.And,there's lotsa hints for Tifa and Aerith.
BUT,when Sephiroth asks him what he cherishes most,Cloud thinks of Aerith first. And,wasn't Aerith the certain someone he's been searching for in Kingdom hearts?She's the one that'll wait for him,and isn't chasing him...
Who Cloud really likes,is never gonna be solved,because there's a few hints here and a few hints there.I prefer CloudxAerith, just because I think its more romantic. heart I don't want things like "HOMG WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS WRONG CLOUD LOVES TIFAAA!". It's just my opionion.CloudxTifa might be more realistic,but CloudxAerith is more for...a hopeless romantic like me ^^
Reading all the reasons and stuff the CloTi's gave,my dreams shattered o_O
*ish emotionally scared for life* Omg, it's you!!! *hugs* I'm glad you posted your own opinion without trying to start a fight, *coughcough*. I'm a hopeless romantic too, so I totally see where you are coming from. ;3 Well, I'm definitely, always and forever a Cloti fan, but you shouldn't have your dreams shattered! There is still a lot of valid proof for Cleris. I'm just suprised that none of the Cleris fans, seemed to have mentioned any of it here, *chuckles*.
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Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 11:33 am
Aerith-GainsboroughVII
Aerith Gainsborough___x I never blamed you,not once.You came for me, that's all that matters. For the game,actually the player decides,whether he likes Aerith or Tifa more,Cloud treats them differently. As for the movie,I found Cloud ignored Tifa in the 'romantic' thing.And whenever Tifa is with Cloud,he goes all emo over Aerith.
Now I've read that Cloud is just searching for forgiveness cuz of the geostigma thing and that he lived with Tifa happily.And,there's lotsa hints for Tifa and Aerith.
BUT,when Sephiroth asks him what he cherishes most,Cloud thinks of Aerith first. And,wasn't Aerith the certain someone he's been searching for in Kingdom hearts?She's the one that'll wait for him,and isn't chasing him...
Who Cloud really likes,is never gonna be solved,because there's a few hints here and a few hints there.I prefer CloudxAerith, just because I think its more romantic. heart I don't want things like "HOMG WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS WRONG CLOUD LOVES TIFAAA!". It's just my opionion.CloudxTifa might be more realistic,but CloudxAerith is more for...a hopeless romantic like me ^^
Reading all the reasons and stuff the CloTi's gave,my dreams shattered o_O
*ish emotionally scared for life* eh? since when is cloud and tifa more realistic? But I'm a romantic too but thats not the only reason I love CxA! I dont like Cloti for countless reasons, first because I believe opposites attract and that they are not compatiable, because their relationship hasnt gotten anywhere, and I think it really hurts them both. Tifa worries that she cant help Cloud, Cloud worries that he's disappointing Tifa, they just arent good for each other, and thus goes back to the compadibility. I could go on.
How did any of that shatter your dreams xD!!
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Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 1:11 pm
Aerith Gainsborough___x I never blamed you,not once.You came for me, that's all that matters. Haha.For some reason I felt like someone was pushing CloTi into my head when I obviously don't like it. I found that kind of...well.Scar-y. -.-!!! Isn't Cleris the official couple..?I mean in the commercials..and..ya.(Hehe..that firssst commercial..where the word love floats over them..o-O) Darn >
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Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 1:13 pm
... Cluffie. My evidence? Yuffie is the most foreward with her feelings, if all three love cloud, She'll be the first to break the ice and say "I love you". Of course, the outcome is broad, but chances are Cloud will agree, becuase he is an emotionall train wreck, and also seeing as they are only about 5 years in age difference, and when there is love, age don't matter...unless it is freaky old guy and little girl or something. Yuffentine works too in age because vincent is young physically, but it's not likely to happen.
When is she forward?
At gold saucer, she kissed Cloud(much to his shock). Of course, being that he's cloud, he was a smartass to her, but that is besides the point. When aerith dies, who does Yuffie turn to in her moment of greif? Cloud. She runs over and cries into Cloud's chest. There are other Cluffie moments, but I don't feel like posting them all.
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Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 2:31 pm
Aerith-GainsboroughVII As for the movie,I found Cloud ignored Tifa in the 'romantic' thing.And whenever Tifa is with Cloud,he goes all emo over Aerith. You know, not once in the whole movie does he ever mention only Aeris in particular. In fact, the first person you see him thinking about is Zack not Aeris. Also Cloud had told Aeris the he would protected her where as Zack was his buddy in solder and they never had that pacted. Thats why he was so "emo over Aeris" as you put it. Aerith-GainsboroughVII Now I've read that Cloud is just searching for forgiveness cuz of the geostigma thing and that he lived with Tifa happily.And,there's lotsa hints for Tifa and Aerith.BUT,when Sephiroth asks him what he cherishes most,Cloud thinks of Aerith first.I was woundering when this was going to come into question. Spephiroth says "What is the most important thing to you?" "Would you give me the happiness of taking that away form you?"Cloud is thinking of people that have been taken to people that can be taken. It's only logical, because if he were going in line from most important to lest, then that means Zack is more important to him the Tifa and the Children. Not that he's not important, I just highly doubt that he's more important to Cloud then Tifa and the children. Aerith-GainsboroughVII And,wasn't Aerith the certain someone he's been searching for in Kingdom hearts?She's the one that'll wait for him,and isn't chasing him... Again not cannon to FF7. But for the sake of argument, I think the girl that goes in search of the guy loves him a lot more then the girl who only sits on her duff and does nothing. That's just me though. Aerith-GainsboroughVII Who Cloud really likes,is never gonna be solved,because there's a few hints here and a few hints there.I prefer CloudxAerith, just because I think its more romantic. heart I don't want things like "HOMG WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS WRONG CLOUD LOVES TIFAAA!". It's just my opionion.CloudxTifa might be more realistic,but CloudxAerith is more for...a hopeless romantic like me ^^
Reading all the reasons and stuff the CloTi's gave,my dreams shattered o_O
*ish emotionally scared for life* I can't stand Aeris but there is nothing wrong with liking Cleris. I'm not here to stop people from liking the CloudxAeris couple. I'm here because SOME people keep living in denial and making things up just to support that parring. To be perfectly honest with you, I actually like Vintif a lot more then Clotif but I'm not going to fabricate and twist things around to make Vintif cannon. Everyone is entitled to their fandom 3nodding .[.pink.spider.]. eh? since when is cloud and tifa more realistic? But I'm a romantic too but thats not the only reason I love CxA! I dont like Cloti for countless reasons, first because I believe opposites attract and that they are not compatiable, because their relationship hasnt gotten anywhere, and I think it really hurts them both. Tifa worries that she cant help Cloud, Cloud worries that he's disappointing Tifa, they just arent good for each other, and thus goes back to the compatibility. I could go on.
How did any of that shatter your dreams xD!! All of which has been proven WRONG!!! Unlike Aerith-GainsboroughVII you obviously didn't read what I wrote but I guess you just like living in denial. stare
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Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 2:41 pm
Aerith-GainsboroughVII
Aerith Gainsborough___x I never blamed you,not once.You came for me, that's all that matters. Haha.For some reason I felt like someone was pushing CloTi into my head when I obviously don't like it. I found that kind of...well.Scar-y. -.-!!! Isn't Cleris the official couple..?I mean in the commercials..and..ya.(Hehe..that firssst commercial..where the word love floats over them..o-O) Darn >No they're not the official couple. If you're going by the fact that Aeris was Cloud's love interested before they introduced Tifa and the others then it's a weak argument since the final product is what matters in the end, not the evolution toward it. The commercial: First was barely shone on American TV. Second, They said a love that could never be and the word love over Aeris's head. Aeris loved Cloud but her love for him could never be. This is also proven in the Madden In truth, Aerith really wanted to do it herself. But she couldn't carry out the task. That's why she entrusted Tifa with it. She entrusted Tifa with all the feelings she had for Cloud in her heart. She entrusted them to the one that was going to "live" together with Cloud...
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Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 2:49 pm
Eclipse of Origin ... Cluffie. My evidence? Yuffie is the most foreward with her feelings, if all three love cloud, She'll be the first to break the ice and say "I love you". Of course, the outcome is broad, but chances are Cloud will agree, becuase he is an emotionall train wreck, and also seeing as they are only about 5 years in age difference, and when there is love, age don't matter...unless it is freaky old guy and little girl or something. Yuffentine works too in age because vincent is young physically, but it's not likely to happen. When is she forward? At gold saucer, she kissed Cloud(much to his shock). Of course, being that he's cloud, he was a smartass to her, but that is besides the point. When aerith dies, who does Yuffie turn to in her moment of greif? Cloud. She runs over and cries into Cloud's chest. There are other Cluffie moments, but I don't feel like posting them all. No No I want to here them. I'm interested. 3nodding
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Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 3:08 pm
RanmaxHikaru All of which has been proven WRONG!!! Unlike Aerith-GainsboroughVII you obviously didn't read what I wrote but I guess you just like living in denial. stare That was my opinion how can you prove my opinion wrong? Anyways I'm in the process of commenting.
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Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 3:15 pm
.[.pink.spider.]. RanmaxHikaru All of which has been proven WRONG!!! Unlike Aerith-GainsboroughVII you obviously didn't read what I wrote but I guess you just like living in denial. stare That was my opinion how can you prove my opinion wrong? Anyways I'm in the process of commenting.Actually opinion's can be proven wrong. If you said that it was your opinion that the sky was purple when every piece of evidence says otherwise then your opinion is without a doubt, wrong.
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Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 4:55 pm
Quote: Their never once even in the same frame during the whole ending, however Cloud is actually seen in the picture with Tifa and everyone else at the party. It seems you missed a key point there hun. The YELLOW flowers on the desk, NEXT to the picture frame.
 Where do you think these flowers CAME from? The sky? Well obviously they came from the flowerfield that Aerith was standing in!

 Now lets Anaylze. Cloud is seen riding past the YELLOW flowerfield, in which Aerith is, and in the end we see a bouqet of those same YELLOW flowers. So what can you conclude? That Cloud HAD to have gone to that YELLOW flowerfield to get those flowers, and that is where Aerith was shown to be. So of course they met! It seems you need to pay more attention.Quote: And I find it funny that Cleris use "The Madden" to support Cloud and Aeris since Aeris gave all of her feelings for Cloud to Tifa (Which Cleris like to forget about) Also she was jealous, because she said so herself. In truth, Aerith really wanted to do it herself. But she couldn't carry out the task. That's why she entrusted Tifa with it. She entrusted Tifa with all the feelings she had for Cloud in her heart. She entrusted them to the one that was going to "live" together with Cloud...
"You did it, Tifa. Thank you... I'm a little jealous of you but, do take care of Cloud and the upper world. Ok so Aerith is saying that she wants to be their for Cloud and be able to take care of him. But she knows that she is not capable because she is dead. So when she says "live" together together with Cloud, it literally means someone who is alive, living with Cloud. She is jealous not in the "I hate you way" She wishes that she was able to be with Cloud and take care of him, physically, but she is not able and so she entrusts that with Tifa. Also when she says she entrusts Tifa with her feelings she doesnt say she's giving up on Cloud, she's saying that since she knows that Tifa can be with Cloud in the real world that she wants to take care of Cloud for her.Quote: He was never " considering becoming closer to Tifa romantically." He outright states he wants her by his side from now on. That's not a consideration that an outright commitment Now lets think about this, this is Cloud we are talking about. Do you think he would simply out of the blue commit like that? I dont remember Cloud ever doing such a thing, for either girl! For Cloud to be so forward with his feelings, is very UN-Cloud like wouldn't you say? And if it was a so-called commitment I dont see it progress in advent children.Quote: Oh and Tifa does heal Cloud's wounds, since it is her words that convince him to fight once more. when was this and what were her words?Quote: In fact, only after the Life Stream event do they start to get romantically involved. Um I dont remember Cloud and Tifa getting romantically involved after the lifestream. Quote: I have already proven this NOT true. I don't know how many times I have to say this before you get it. They live almost a whole year happily without Barret. Nothing fell apart for almost a year, until he got sick. Well you havent proven anything...how many years again? It was a two year gap between FFVII and Advent Children, am I correct? And for that first year Barret was with Tifa and Cloud? Then by that second year Barret is gone and things start to gradually fall apart. So where is this year alone where they lived happily?Quote: Also at this point, Tifa has no idea why Cloud is feeling regret after almost two years of living happily. WHAT?! OWO you changed your years again! Before it was one happy year together, now its two? joohavebeenlieingtomeeQuote: As I have already said before, it's the most logical to assume that Cloud is now feeling guilty again (after more then two years of living happily with Tifa) OK WOW! It went from 1 happy year to 2 happy years together now more than 2...thats not even possible since their are only 2 years in this time frame! Ok now for certain you've been lying. Quote: The fact that he doesn't tell her about it actually goes to show how much he truly lover her. He obviously doesn't want to see her suffering anymore then she already is with Denzel's geostigma. But this would make no sense since you agreed earlier and they dont know very much about each other and still are learning. How would Cloud realize how she is feeling if he has shown countless times he knows nothing about her feelings.Quote: Oh, then who the hell else’s koibito/lover would she be? Maybe Red 13, or perhaps Berret? Please use you're brain. If SE says she's like a lover theirs no one else they would be talking about except for Cloud. OH ALLAH! How many times do I have to say it! YOU ARE TAKING IT THE WRONG WAY. THEY ARE NOT SAYING SHE IS A KOIBITO TO SOMEONE WHICH MEANS THEIR IS NO PAIRING OF ANY SORT GOING ON. IT IS ABOUT TIFA NOT ABOUT WHO TIFA IS WITH. ITS JUST TIFA! TIFA! NO CLOUD NO VINCENT NO BARRET NO NOBODY! JUST TIFA! How many times do I have to say it!Quote: Because of people like you who will do, say, and ignore, anything so they can make Cleris seem cannon. No actually people like you are pathetic enough to cling to something blown completely out of proportion and use that to make Clito seem anon. God, it seems you're in denial. You can go up to Nomura yourself and babble your koibito nonsense and I bet you 100% he’ll either laugh at you or been totally confused about what you’re saying. Quote: Wow, I'm so proud that you like what I say so much that you feel the need to copy my sentences. Oh, I always thought that was mocking…I guess you could take it as a compliment : D Quote: Is this all you could come up with. It's really lame how you always argue the same crap even though it's been proven wrong over and over again. First, none of those are cannon to FF7. Second, I don't count two minuets of Cloud and Aeris walking together a side story. It's meant to be cute and that is all. Sheesh did I even say that makes CxA canon? No, I was saying how those were side stories and I wasn’t even talking about canon-ness. Well what is a side-story? I would say that it is something that doesn’t pertain exactly to the original story (FF7) but it’s a story moment scene whatever where characters from the original story are placed in a different setting, and that’s exactly what KH, KH2 Tactis and Itadaki Street are. And the cuteness adds to it : DQuote: Again, making things up. NEVER at any time does he stop his bike to meet her. In fact he doesn't even turn his head to acknowledge she's there, instead he's calling Tifa and the children right when he's riding past the flower fields. Aeris and Cloud are NEVER SHOWNE meeting in the flower fields. End of story. Are you wet? Because you seem to be in da-nile! Da-nile denile, get it?! Ahaha I crack myself up xD Read my first statement ma’am.
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Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 7:03 pm
Uhm, Her words convince Cloud to fight thoughout the entire AC movie.
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Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 7:24 pm
Oh yeah you mean the ones that he picked in Aeris's memory (As said in the Reunion Files) Oh yeah but it doesn't say anything in there about her meeting Cloud. Picking flowers on the side of the rode and meeting Aeris in the flower fields are two different things. Unless they create a new ending where Cloud and Aeris are actually shown meeting each other then my point is still valid. Also if Cloud has truly met Aeris in theflowerfields, I'm pretty sure SE would have said something at least referring to it. .[.pink.spider.]. Ok so Aerith is saying that she wants to be their for Cloud and be able to take care of him. But she knows that she is not capable because she is dead. So when she says "live" together together with Cloud, it literally means someone who is alive, living with Cloud. Exactly, the girl who's going to live with Cloud, and be by his side from now one, and raise children with him. I could go on and on. .[.pink.spider.]. She is jealous not in the "I hate you way" She wishes that she was able to be with Cloud and take care of him, physically, but she is not able and so she entrusts that with Tifa. Also when she says she entrusts Tifa with her feelings she doesn't say she's giving up on Cloud, Why would Aeris be jealous of Tifa being the one to save Cloud and live with him, if it's nothing but platonic anyway? It's more then obvious that she's jealous because she can't be with Cloud anymore, romantically or physically. Aeris is entrusting her love for Cloud to Tifa, how hard is that to get. She's talking about her love for Cloud through out the entire story and then she says that she's entrusting her feelings for Cloud to Tifa. Sorry, but you're argument goes against everything Aeris had said prier in the novil. .[.pink.spider.]. Now lets think about this, this is Cloud we are talking about. Do you think he would simply out of the blue commit like that? I don't remember Cloud ever doing such a thing, for either girl! For Cloud to be so forward with his feelings, is very UN-Cloud like wouldn't you say? First of all, Cloud's comment wasn't "out of the blue" it was worked up to since the life stream event. Second, it's not my or your place to say what is and what isn't Cloud like. That's up to the creators. Finally, as you can tell form the narrative, Cloud clearly states that "he wants Tifa by his side from now on". But I bet you're going to say, that a man telling a women, he wants her by his side for the rest of his life, is nothing but platonic. .[.pink.spider.]. when was this and what were her words? Through the whole movie but mostly when Cloud was talking to Vincent and he had a flashback of talking to Tifa. The whole Dilly, dally, shily, shally part. That's why when he rides back to deal with Bahamit he tells Tifa "I feel lighter now." "All that Dilly, dally, shily, shally." .[.pink.spider.]. And if it was a so-called commitment I don't see it progress in advent children. Yeah you wouldn't because "OMG Cloud and Tifa are so disfuntional" Again almost two years of living happily together (With and without Barret) vs a three months or less of dysfunction. That's not even a comparison. Oh and they reconcile before the Bahamit fight anyway. .[.pink.spider.]. Um I don't remember Cloud and Tifa getting romantically involved after the life stream. Of course you wouldn't, since you like play ignorant to obvious romantic moments between Cloud and Tifa. I guess spending the night under the stars, having intimate conversation about hearing each other in their hearts, and sleeping on each others arms until the sun comes up, is nothing but platonic right. Well then, I guess Cloud saying he wants Tifa by his side for now on is platonic to. .[.pink.spider.]. Well you haven't proven anything...how many years again? It was a two year gap between FFVII and Advent Children, am I correct? And for that first year Barret was with Tifa and Cloud? Then by that second year Barret is gone and things start to gradually fall apart. So where is this year alone where they lived happily? A year is 12 months. Count them, 12. Cloud and Tifa were happy for several months (After Barret left), that's seven or more months of happy family life. Now compare that to the five or less months where he was unhappy. Not to mention that Nomuna said "he had recently been staying in Aeris's church. .[.pink.spider.]. WHAT?! OWO you changed your years again! Before it was one happy year together, now its two? joohavebeenlieingtomee Yeah two years. One year when Barret is there and almost a year when he leaves. .[.pink.spider.]. But this would make no sense since you agreed earlier and they don't know very much about each other and still are learning. How would Cloud realize how she is feeling if he has shown countless times he knows nothing about her feelings. OMG I can't even believe you're using this as an argument. Gee, I guess Cloud knows Tifa is suffering with Denzel's geostigma because it's written all over her face! Cloud would have to be ******** retarded to not see that. It's not some intmint detail of her personality or anything. (Which is what we were referring to before) .[.pink.spider.]. OH ALLAH! How many times do I have to say it! YOU ARE TAKING IT THE WRONG WAY. THEY ARE NOT SAYING SHE IS A KOIBITO TO SOMEONE WHICH MEANS THEIR IS NO PAIRING OF ANY SORT GOING ON. IT IS ABOUT TIFA NOT ABOUT WHO TIFA IS WITH. ITS JUST TIFA! TIFA! NO CLOUD NO VINCENT NO BARRET NO NOBODY! JUST TIFA! How many times do I have to say it! Are you kidding me. If what you are saying were true, then it wouldn't match with the rest of sentence. KOIBITO means sweetheart/lover/girlfriend. So if she's not a KOIBITO/sweetheart to anyone then I guess that means she's her own sweetheart. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Tifa is like a mother = To Marleen and Denzel A comrade in battle = To Avalanche and A sweetheart = To herself? .[.pink.spider.]. No actually people like you are pathetic enough to cling to something blown completely out of proportion and use that to make Clito seem anon. God, it seems you're in denial. It seems you know you're self pretty well. .[.pink.spider.]. You can go up to Nomura yourself and babble your koibito nonsense and I bet you 100% he’ll either laugh at you or been totally confused about what you’re saying. Bhahahahahahaha, you can bet me 100%!! Man this is the most stupid thing you have ever said. You talk as if you're acquainted with him personally or something. You don't even know the guy and you are going to bet me. Ahahahahahahahah. Yeah, and I'm sure he's going to laugh at me, since I'm actually using words that he himself said unlike you. .[.pink.spider.]. Oh, I always thought that was mocking…I guess you could take it as a compliment : D You're mocking is pathetic if you have to copy someone else. .[.pink.spider.]. Sheesh did I even say that makes CxA canon? No but you talk as if it does. .[.pink.spider.]. No, I was saying how those were side stories and I wasn’t even talking about canon-ness. Well what is a side-story? I would say that it is something that doesn’t pertain exactly to the original story (FF7) but it’s a story moment scene whatever where characters from the original story are placed in a different setting, and that’s exactly what KH, KH2 Tactis and Itadaki Street are. And the cuteness adds to it : D I'll just be frank. They put Aeris and Cloud in those games because Cloud and Aeris were the most popular characters. Not because they were cannon in FF7. They started puting Tifa in newer games because her popularity has risen exponentionally since AC. Does that mean OMG romance! No it doesn't, not for Aeris or Tifa. It doesn't pertain to FF7 at all..[.pink.spider.]. Are you wet? Because you seem to be in da-nile! Da-nile denile, get it?! Ahaha I crack myself up xD Read my first statement ma’am. *Sigh* Please tell me that wasn't you're idea of a joke? rolleyes
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Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 7:30 pm
Eclipse of Origin Uhm, Her words convince Cloud to fight thoughout the entire AC movie. Eclipse, I'm still interested in hearing you're reasons for Clffie!!! razz I'm really really interested. 3nodding
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Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 9:49 pm
Okay, this is in response to Pink's statement about Cloud and Tifa's relationship after Barret left. Sure, Barret did get things going like suggesting another bar and working together to build a family. After Barret left, everything was alright, perfectly fine until Cloud stumbled across a request...to bring flowers to Aeris' death bed, which threw him back into guilt. Cloud's sickness wasn't the beginning of Cloud's distance. This event shook up the family, not just Tifa.
Denzel comes into the family later and Cloti sort of reconcile for now. Ultimately Cloud and Tifa build their own family including Denzel and Marlene WITHOUT Barret. Okay, let's take this a step back...If Barret didn't leave in the first place, Cloud would still become emo. Tifa was the one who suggested the delivery service, which Barret probably wouldn't say no to. (Why would he?) Either way, Cloud would have stumbled across the request for Aeris' flowers. Either way Cloud would have sunken into depression eventually, request or none. All was needed was a little twitch in his brain and he becomes emo.
Barret is not the basis of the family, he merely started it up and left right after that, left really soon too. For a family, you need a long time to develop it, to have trust. Cloud and Tifa already do trust each other and raise Marlene and Denzel quite well. Cloud's past made him distant...Tifa already knew what he was thinking, already knew that he felt guilty. The only thing Cloud couldn't do is bring his problem, the Geostigma to the family. He was afraid of hurting the ones he loved, burdening them. Cloud is emotional and is very attached to the ones he cares about. If Aeris were around and Cloud contracted the Geostigma, would he not distance himself from her?
Like a real family, there are always problems, but what's important is how they are dealt.
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