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 Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 11:17 am
I think that the should allow the death penalty. I mean, if someone kills 20 people, dont they deserve to die? We dont need that kind of person on this earth. If someone even brutaly murders someone, like skining them then possably the death penalty. People say, " oh but its a human life" Well they had no problems taking the life of others right?
Abortion is wrong too, i saw you mention that.
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Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2007 3:12 am
I SAY THAT PEOPLE WHO DO CERTAIN CRIMES WILL BE DELT WITH NO MATER IF YOU DO OR DO NOT THINK THAT CRIMINALS SHOULD GET THE DEATH PENELTY THEY DESERVE.SOME WAY SOME HOW THEIR FATE WILL BE SEALED IN THE WORST WAY POSSIBLE. cool
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Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2007 1:42 pm
UrbanxNinja I think that the should allow the death penalty. I mean, if someone kills 20 people, dont they deserve to die? We dont need that kind of person on this earth. If someone even brutaly murders someone, like skining them then possably the death penalty. People say, " oh but its a human life" Well they had no problems taking the life of others right? Abortion is wrong too, i saw you mention that.
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Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2007 2:36 pm
I am a relatively violent person. I believe that the death penalty is good.
If they have murdered someone in cold blood or tramatized persons lives, something like rape, therefore ruining it I believe they should suffer.
This brings me to a new thing the death penalty is strong enough and really when you die you get the cushy life of heaven (if you believe in it and I do believe even murders go to heaven.) I believe a better thing would be if they were killed how the person the killed was murdered. Now with the rape thing I figure if the victim just wants to shoot them let them or their family. That I think would be justice. I think if they were to recieve a life sentence they should serve it in a little box with food and a toliet. This would be good. Also nothing they could kill themselves with... easily. twisted
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Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 8:09 am
I am all for the death penalty. I think every state should be like texas in this matter. Where if you kill someone we will kill you back. You heard about that guy who killed his wife just recently that was a friend of my mother's daughter. But guess what He'll probably get life in prison. That is Bull $@^!
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Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 7:11 pm
gmc011895 I am all for the death penalty. I think every state should be like texas in this matter. Where if you kill someone we will kill you back. You heard about that guy who killed his wife just recently that was a friend of my mother's daughter. But guess what He'll probably get life in prison. That is Bull $@^! Texas has one of the highest crime rates in the USA, most States and Countries do that enact Capital Punishment, so it doesn't even work as a deterrent.
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Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 7:49 pm
So, I just saw The Number 23, and for those of you that haven't seen it, I'm sorry for spoiling it. So the main character, Walter Sparrow reads a book about a guy murdering the woman he loves and his obsession with the number 23, and it turns out that he was the man who wrote the book, he tried to commit suicide by jumping off a ledge, but ended up surviving and he blocked out all memories of what happened before the fall. So before the suicide attempt, all signs pointed to his mental instability and even his father was unstable, showing that this ran through his family, because he killed himself after he killed his mother. And when he killed his lover, he was already consumed by the number 23 and his lover cheating on him pushed him over the edge, so he stabbed her (albeit brutally). The crime was placed on the man she was cheating with and Sparrow starts his life back over after he goes through rehabilition at an institution for his brain damage. Then he reads the book, finds out he's the one that did it and turns himself in.
Does he deserve the death penalty? Oh yea, and he got married and had a son who helped him solve the mystery of the book.
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Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 2:30 pm
Alright, the death penalty is fine, and needs a little change. I say we go with Hammourabi's Code: one of the first forms of written law. It is basically an eye for an eye. If you kill someone, you should die in the way that person died. If you raped someone, you should have a considerable amount of time in prison, because the other prisoners hate rapsits and people like that. So those people will get their just desserts.
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Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 8:10 pm
Ryuk1Shinigami Alright, the death penalty is fine, and needs a little change. I say we go with Hammourabi's Code: one of the first forms of written law. It is basically an eye for an eye. If you kill someone, you should die in the way that person died. If you raped someone, you should have a considerable amount of time in prison, because the other prisoners hate rapsits and people like that. So those people will get their just desserts.
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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 6:31 am
Ryuk1Shinigami Alright, the death penalty is fine, and needs a little change. I say we go with Hammourabi's Code: one of the first forms of written law. It is basically an eye for an eye. If you kill someone, you should die in the way that person died. If you raped someone, you should have a considerable amount of time in prison, because the other prisoners hate rapsits and people like that. So those people will get their just desserts.
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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 6:19 pm
yokomotoz Personally a rapist is less than human, a murderer is less than human, a molester is the worst type of trash. They don't deserve prison time, what they deserve is the most painful form of castration around from perhaps the Inquisition times? Then to have years and years in a special prison with the worst type of sodomites and finally a torturous and slow death depending on the amount of people raped, murdered, molested whatever. That's what I think would be the fairest thing to do, and even then its not fair enough and I believe that the family should pay huge amounts of money for a period of several years. It would most definitely discourage any such actions. Though we are living in a time where we defend even the worst types of human for the sake of money or for simple labor for a few years and provide to our economy.
Is someone like Walter Sparrow less than human?
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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 7:26 pm
Aakiyana yokomotoz Personally a rapist is less than human, a murderer is less than human, a molester is the worst type of trash. They don't deserve prison time, what they deserve is the most painful form of castration around from perhaps the Inquisition times? Then to have years and years in a special prison with the worst type of sodomites and finally a torturous and slow death depending on the amount of people raped, murdered, molested whatever. That's what I think would be the fairest thing to do, and even then its not fair enough and I believe that the family should pay huge amounts of money for a period of several years. It would most definitely discourage any such actions. Though we are living in a time where we defend even the worst types of human for the sake of money or for simple labor for a few years and provide to our economy.
Is someone like Walter Sparrow less than human?
Ohh boy she uses a movie character. Let me counter your last question with a question of my own. Is Tony Montana less than human for destroying people's lives with drugs but refuses to kill two kids and causes his own death? Yet at the same time caused many deaths in his life? I'm sure there are other ways to curb a vicious tendency to do things to benefit society. I don't feel its my job to be merciful to a person that lacked mercy to the molested, raped, or murdered. I don't care what the hell kind of mental damage anyone says they have its no excuse whatsoever to hurt another human. Does having some disorder like ADD or ADHD qualify you for being a marked failure? No, there are those that choose to rise above it, and damn it killers and rapists have no excuse. They reap what they sow. Take a life, then theirs shall be taken. Rape a human, then they shall be raped or castrated to make sure it never happens again, molest a child? I would kill them outright for hurting an innocent child in such a manner.
And hey, in Biblical times they had a way of weeding out the problem and keeping it under control. Guess what it was? I bet you can't guess, come on now. I'll tell you. Castration, death, fines, and torture. I'm sure that such threats would keep any of these perverse people in line.
Me moral king? What a laugh, and what makes your solution any better? I damn well know that a society that puts a person that trades pornography for 20 plus years while a rapist gets 10 to 15 sure does set the moral bar high. Please, don't make me laugh, offering these cowardly excuses of flesh that pray upon the helpless leniency is complete bullshit. Why should they get out sooner than a man or woman selling drugs to try to feed their family? Why should they get a chance a parole after being good for a few years? Did the victim get a chance? Did the hurt or abused have a say? No, and I don't believe these scum should either. I stand by what I say, not because I'm a religious zealot, and not because I think I'm right and I lack morals. But because when you're raised in a neighborhood where you can find out any day that someone of your family is dead or raped then you would want to fight. Imagine coming home and finding out a family member was raped brutally or molested. I for one would never ever show any sympathy to someone who would do that to my own blood. I don't care what the Bible or anything says. God is the ultimate punisher and he is not above giving mercy to these sick individuals. So then why should I?
Again I ask you the question. For all that Tony Montana did to other people, and knowingly might I add but saved two kids. Is he less than human?
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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 8:37 pm
yokomotoz Aakiyana yokomotoz Personally a rapist is less than human, a murderer is less than human, a molester is the worst type of trash. They don't deserve prison time, what they deserve is the most painful form of castration around from perhaps the Inquisition times? Then to have years and years in a special prison with the worst type of sodomites and finally a torturous and slow death depending on the amount of people raped, murdered, molested whatever. That's what I think would be the fairest thing to do, and even then its not fair enough and I believe that the family should pay huge amounts of money for a period of several years. It would most definitely discourage any such actions. Though we are living in a time where we defend even the worst types of human for the sake of money or for simple labor for a few years and provide to our economy.
Is someone like Walter Sparrow less than human?
Ohh boy she uses a movie character. Let me counter your last question with a question of my own. Is Tony Montana less than human for destroying people's lives with drugs but refuses to kill two kids and causes his own death? Yet at the same time caused many deaths in his life? I'm sure there are other ways to curb a vicious tendency to do things to benefit society. I don't feel its my job to be merciful to a person that lacked mercy to the molested, raped, or murdered. I don't care what the hell kind of mental damage anyone says they have its no excuse whatsoever to hurt another human. Does having some disorder like ADD or ADHD qualify you for being a marked failure? No, there are those that choose to rise above it, and damn it killers and rapists have no excuse. They reap what they sow. Take a life, then theirs shall be taken. Rape a human, then they shall be raped or castrated to make sure it never happens again, molest a child? I would kill them outright for hurting an innocent child in such a manner.
And hey, in Biblical times they had a way of weeding out the problem and keeping it under control. Guess what it was? I bet you can't guess, come on now. I'll tell you. Castration, death, fines, and torture. I'm sure that such threats would keep any of these perverse people in line.
Me moral king? What a laugh, and what makes your solution any better? I damn well know that a society that puts a person that trades pornography for 20 plus years while a rapist gets 10 to 15 sure does set the moral bar high. Please, don't make me laugh, offering these cowardly excuses of flesh that pray upon the helpless leniency is complete bullshit. Why should they get out sooner than a man or woman selling drugs to try to feed their family? Why should they get a chance a parole after being good for a few years? Did the victim get a chance? Did the hurt or abused have a say? No, and I don't believe these scum should either. I stand by what I say, not because I'm a religious zealot, and not because I think I'm right and I lack morals. But because when you're raised in a neighborhood where you can find out any day that someone of your family is dead or raped then you would want to fight. Imagine coming home and finding out a family member was raped brutally or molested. I for one would never ever show any sympathy to someone who would do that to my own blood. I don't care what the Bible or anything says. God is the ultimate punisher and he is not above giving mercy to these sick individuals. So then why should I?
Again I ask you the question. For all that Tony Montana did to other people, and knowingly might I add but saved two kids. Is he less than human?
Yes I have used a character from a movie, I know it isn't the perfect situation and it's extreme, but I was just saying what if something of that nature does happen or has actually happened? Tony Montana did way more than murder, he also sold drugs, so that means he wasn't really off his rocker. But he also wasn't less than human.
Child molesters I do agree are very sick, but they also are quite mental, I just don't understand why we aren't trying to help prevent ***** instead of just jumping on everyone that is. If we helped find a way to cure the ***** then more children would be safe instead of jumping on a few, locking them away, letting them back out, labeling them sex offenders and allowing them to do it again. Yes I sound like a p***y humanitarian, but does really everything have to resort to violence?
And I don't agree with our current system right now, it is in fact bullshit. But death is extreme.
But you know what, maybe I'm wrong, maybe people aren't able to be helped. Seems everyone here's all for the death penalty and maybe they see something I don't. Whatever.
And I never thought Tony Montana was less than human myself. If anything, the saving of the two children shows his humane side.
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Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 1:41 am
the definition of murder is... Quote: mur·der –noun 1.Law. the killing of another human being under conditions specifically covered in law. In the U.S., special statutory definitions include murder committed with malice aforethought, characterized by deliberation or premeditation or occurring during the commission of another serious crime, as robbery or arson (first-degree murder), and murder by intent but without deliberation or premeditation (second-degree murder). The death penalty is certainly the premeditated and committed with malicious aforethought. Does it not stand to reason that, under this definition, the death penalty is murder, and more specifically, murder in the first degree. To enact the death penalty you must have someone orchestrate the killing. Do you believe it is right to ask someone to live with the thought that they murdered someone? Or should we kill the executioners as well for being murderers in their own right?
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Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 5:10 pm
Have you ever met a child molester or read up on them? Most of them have no mental disease, most are actually quite sociable, play a part in society, work, have a family. Its this exact thing that makes it so hard for them to find. To say that it is a disease and that they have no control over it is completely false and baseless. It is the society that they are raised in. Look at three great examples, Jeffrey Dahmer, John Wayne Gacy, and Ted Bundy. These guys were all seeming respectable people and they seemed perfectly normal and sane. How are you supposed to find *****, molesters, rapists, or murderers like these kind of guys? Its impossible, and to be perfectly honest I don't believe that its mental at all. I think its all about what this and other societies promotes.
Hours before his death Ted Bundy gave an interview and it gave insight as to why many of these people do these types of things. He and many other prisoners would agree that its all about what society tolerates and how it affects others. Here's a little snippet of the interview highlighting his fatal addiction.
Ted: I wasn’t some guy hanging out in bars, or a bum. I wasn’t a pervert in the sense that people look at somebody and say, “I know there’s something wrong with him.” I was a normal person. I had good friends. I led a normal life, except for this one, small but very potent and destructive segment that I kept very secret and close to myself. Those of us who have been so influenced by violence in the media, particularly pornographic violence, are not some kind of inherent monsters. We are your sons and husbands. We grew up in regular families. Pornography can reach in and snatch a kid out of any house today. It snatched me out of my home 20 or 30 years ago. As diligent as my parents were, and they were diligent in protecting their children, and as good a Christian home as we had, there is no protection against the kinds of influences that are loose in a society that tolerates....
JCD: Outside these walls, there are several hundred reporters that wanted to talk to you, and you asked me to come because you had something you wanted to say. You feel that hardcore pornography, and the door to it, softcore pornography, is doing untold damage to other people and causing other women to be abused and killed the way you did.
Ted: I’m no social scientist, and I don’t pretend to believe what John Q. Citizen thinks about this, but I’ve lived in prison for a long time now, and I’ve met a lot of men who were motivated to commit violence. Without exception, every one of them was deeply involved in pornography - deeply consumed by the addiction. The F.B.I.’s own study on serial homicide shows that the most common interest among serial killers is pornographers. It’s true.
JCD: What would your life have been like without that influence?
Ted: I know it would have been far better, not just for me, but for a lot of other people - victims and families. There’s no question that it would have been a better life. I’m absolutely certain it would not have involved this kind of violence.
JCD: If I were able to ask the kind of questions that are being asked, one would be, “Are you thinking about all those victims and their families that are so wounded? Years later, their lives aren’t normal. They will never be normal. Is there remorse?”
Ted: I know people will accuse me of being self-serving, but through God’s help, I have been able to come to the point, much too late, where I can feel the hurt and the pain I am responsible for. Yes. Absolutely! During the past few days, myself and a number of investigators have been talking about unsolved cases - murders I was involved in. It’s hard to talk about all these years later, because it revives all the terrible feelings and thoughts that I have steadfastly and diligently dealt with - I think successfully. It has been reopened and I have felt the pain and the horror of that.
I hope that those who I have caused so much grief, even if they don’t believe my expression of sorrow, will believe what I’m saying now; there are those loose in their towns and communities, like me, whose dangerous impulses are being fueled, day in and day out, by violence in the media in its various forms - particularly sexualized violence. What scares me is when I see what’s on cable T.V. Some of the violence in the movies that come into homes today is stuff they wouldn’t show in X-rated adult theatres 30 years ago.
JCD: The slasher movies?
Ted: That is the most graphic violence on screen, especially when children are unattended or unaware that they could be a Ted Bundy; that they could have a predisposition to that kind of behavior.
Now does this guy sound like he's mental? A law school student, handsome, cultured, charming with a side hobby of homicide and rape. He says that his family and environment weren't the case, it was what he came in contact with. Society is to blame for them, not some mental condition. The toleration of certain industries and practices is what is causing a lot of this and it will continue to grow as time passes and acceptance of things like snuff films, and hardcore pornography become less and less taboo.
I'm not trying to say that they deserve death only if they dealt death should they get it. And most certainly Gacy deserved it, most certainly Bundy deserved it, Dahmer deserved it. Many say that it is inhumane to kill them. In fact journalists questioned the cruel and unusual way that Gacy was executed, but the families asked right back "was he cruel and unusual to our children?"
You're a humanitarian and good for you for caring for human life. But please don't say that these people have some preordained condition that should make us give sympathy to them, because that just gives people an excuse to do what they do. My father was an alcoholic, so does the alcoholism gene run in me and give me an excuse to get wasted each day? No it doesn't. Why? Because we each have a will to resist such things. And to those that give in and harm others, are weak willed not mental and they deserve no less than what they gave to their victim. And if not death at least castration and heavy fines. Thats my spill.
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