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 Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 9:42 pm
GuardianAngel44 Lethkhar GuardianAngel44 Lethkhar GuardianAngel44 So you believe that you have no choice in what happens; that your environment controls your every move? No, I believe that I have a choice. However, I do not believe that I have a choice in what my choice is. My environment and my genes control what my will is. Hence, I have a will, but it's not completely free. Does that make sense? Oh. . . that explains alot. That's exactly what I was thinking!!!!! Grrrrrrrr. . . scream Quote: Quote: That is the most illogical concept in the world. That's more illogical than the KKK. Please, explain why it's illogical. Well, I thought that you were saying that we had almost no will at all and didn't make our own choices. . . do you see how that's illogical??? I don't know...Do you concede that free will is an illusion, then? Well, if you mean by "free" that only we determine our choices without any other influence, then yes. Do you agree that we do determine our choices, although with outside influence? I agree that we determine our choices, but what exactly "we" are is completely out of our control and that therefore our choices are really a product of something out of our control.
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Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 5:18 pm
Lethkhar GuardianAngel44 Lethkhar GuardianAngel44 Lethkhar No, I believe that I have a choice. However, I do not believe that I have a choice in what my choice is. My environment and my genes control what my will is. Hence, I have a will, but it's not completely free. Does that make sense? Oh. . . that explains alot. That's exactly what I was thinking!!!!! Grrrrrrrr. . . scream Quote: Please, explain why it's illogical. Well, I thought that you were saying that we had almost no will at all and didn't make our own choices. . . do you see how that's illogical??? I don't know...Do you concede that free will is an illusion, then? Well, if you mean by "free" that only we determine our choices without any other influence, then yes. Do you agree that we do determine our choices, although with outside influence? I agree that we determine our choices, but what exactly "we" are is completely out of our control and that therefore our choices are really a product of something out of our control. But not completely determined by something out of our control. We are born with personalities, and that is out of our control. But we can change our personalities, and this is not entirely out of our control.
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Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 6:16 pm
GuardianAngel44 Lethkhar GuardianAngel44 Lethkhar GuardianAngel44 Oh. . . that explains alot. That's exactly what I was thinking!!!!! Grrrrrrrr. . . scream Well, I thought that you were saying that we had almost no will at all and didn't make our own choices. . . do you see how that's illogical??? I don't know...Do you concede that free will is an illusion, then? Well, if you mean by "free" that only we determine our choices without any other influence, then yes. Do you agree that we do determine our choices, although with outside influence? I agree that we determine our choices, but what exactly "we" are is completely out of our control and that therefore our choices are really a product of something out of our control. But not completely determined by something out of our control. We are born with personalities, and that is out of our control. But we can change our personalities, and this is not entirely out of our control. No, but how we choose to change them is.
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Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 8:29 pm
Lethkhar GuardianAngel44 Lethkhar GuardianAngel44 Lethkhar GuardianAngel44 Oh. . . that explains alot. That's exactly what I was thinking!!!!! Grrrrrrrr. . . scream Well, I thought that you were saying that we had almost no will at all and didn't make our own choices. . . do you see how that's illogical??? I don't know...Do you concede that free will is an illusion, then? Well, if you mean by "free" that only we determine our choices without any other influence, then yes. Do you agree that we do determine our choices, although with outside influence? I agree that we determine our choices, but what exactly "we" are is completely out of our control and that therefore our choices are really a product of something out of our control. But not completely determined by something out of our control. We are born with personalities, and that is out of our control. But we can change our personalities, and this is not entirely out of our control. No, but how we choose to change them is. You mean environments? It's not completely out of our control. We can choose where to live, we just can't choose how the environments will be.
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Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2007 3:35 pm
GuardianAngel44 Lethkhar GuardianAngel44 Lethkhar GuardianAngel44 Well, if you mean by "free" that only we determine our choices without any other influence, then yes. Do you agree that we do determine our choices, although with outside influence? I agree that we determine our choices, but what exactly "we" are is completely out of our control and that therefore our choices are really a product of something out of our control. But not completely determined by something out of our control. We are born with personalities, and that is out of our control. But we can change our personalities, and this is not entirely out of our control. No, but how we choose to change them is. You mean environments? It's not completely out of our control. We can choose where to live, we just can't choose how the environments will be. Yes, and where we choose to live is predetermined by a mixture of our genes and our past experiences.
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Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 6:52 am
Lethkhar GuardianAngel44 Lethkhar GuardianAngel44 Lethkhar GuardianAngel44 Well, if you mean by "free" that only we determine our choices without any other influence, then yes. Do you agree that we do determine our choices, although with outside influence? I agree that we determine our choices, but what exactly "we" are is completely out of our control and that therefore our choices are really a product of something out of our control. But not completely determined by something out of our control. We are born with personalities, and that is out of our control. But we can change our personalities, and this is not entirely out of our control. No, but how we choose to change them is. You mean environments? It's not completely out of our control. We can choose where to live, we just can't choose how the environments will be. Yes, and where we choose to live is predetermined by a mixture of our genes and our past experiences. But again, those only influence our choices. We can choose to go against our genes.
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Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 12:02 pm
GuardianAngel44 Lethkhar GuardianAngel44 Lethkhar GuardianAngel44 But not completely determined by something out of our control. We are born with personalities, and that is out of our control. But we can change our personalities, and this is not entirely out of our control. No, but how we choose to change them is. You mean environments? It's not completely out of our control. We can choose where to live, we just can't choose how the environments will be. Yes, and where we choose to live is predetermined by a mixture of our genes and our past experiences. But again, those only influence our choices. We can choose to go against our genes. No, we can't. You can't choose to sprout wings and fly, unfortunately.
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Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 6:04 pm
Lethkhar GuardianAngel44 Lethkhar GuardianAngel44 Lethkhar GuardianAngel44 But not completely determined by something out of our control. We are born with personalities, and that is out of our control. But we can change our personalities, and this is not entirely out of our control. No, but how we choose to change them is. You mean environments? It's not completely out of our control. We can choose where to live, we just can't choose how the environments will be. Yes, and where we choose to live is predetermined by a mixture of our genes and our past experiences. But again, those only influence our choices. We can choose to go against our genes. No, we can't. You can't choose to sprout wings and fly, unfortunately. But our genes, and our personalities, can change. But, unfortunetly, they only change in response to environments. And we can only change our environment based on out genes. It just goes in a big circle. By that logic, we have no will at all, and our genes choose for us. btw, I like your quote. That's what most Christians think.
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Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 8:56 pm
GuardianAngel44 Lethkhar GuardianAngel44 Lethkhar GuardianAngel44 You mean environments? It's not completely out of our control. We can choose where to live, we just can't choose how the environments will be. Yes, and where we choose to live is predetermined by a mixture of our genes and our past experiences. But again, those only influence our choices. We can choose to go against our genes. No, we can't. You can't choose to sprout wings and fly, unfortunately. But our genes, and our personalities, can change. But, unfortunetly, they only change in response to environments. And we can only change our environment based on out genes. It just goes in a big circle. By that logic, we have no will at all, and our genes choose for us. Yup, my point exactly. Although some parts of our environment are out of our control, as well. But don't let it get you down; it's really just a philosophical point, nothing more. You still have your will, just realise that it's technically an illusion. Quote: btw, I like your quote. That's what most Christians think. The funny part is that I didn't edit it all. The person said that exactly, with the two sentences right after each other. blaugh
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Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 6:03 pm
Lethkhar GuardianAngel44 Lethkhar GuardianAngel44 Lethkhar GuardianAngel44 You mean environments? It's not completely out of our control. We can choose where to live, we just can't choose how the environments will be. Yes, and where we choose to live is predetermined by a mixture of our genes and our past experiences. But again, those only influence our choices. We can choose to go against our genes. No, we can't. You can't choose to sprout wings and fly, unfortunately. But our genes, and our personalities, can change. But, unfortunetly, they only change in response to environments. And we can only change our environment based on out genes. It just goes in a big circle. By that logic, we have no will at all, and our genes choose for us. Yup, my point exactly. Although some parts of our environment are out of our control, as well. But don't let it get you down; it's really just a philosophical point, nothing more. You still have your will, just realise that it's technically an illusion. I hate technicality. Quote: btw, I like your quote. That's what most Christians think. The funny part is that I didn't edit it all. The person said that exactly, with the two sentences right after each other. blaugh Wow. eek
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