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xd That actually made me giggle.

That sort of makes me think of my primary problem with vegetarianism. Don't get me wrong vegetarians; As long as you aren't hurting anyone else you can eat or not eat whatever you like. But animals eat animals. So why can't I eat animals?

Reminds me of something i read in school once. Basicly, at one time, Benjamin Franklin was a vegeterian for the same reason. One time on a trip, he witnessed a fish being prepared to serve for dinner that night, when the fish was cut open, he saw the remains of other fish inside it. His conclusion was that "If you eat eachother, i don't see why I can't eat you."

He had fish for dinner that night. Not sure if he kept up the whole vegetarian thing after that really, but still, like you said, Nature is full of predators and prey, with Humans at the top of the food chain. I see nothing wrong with eating meat responsibly, and, if it's raised and slaughtered in our own country (which just about all of our meat is given the fact that it's more expensive to ship it over here safely) It's treated with decency and slaughtered humanly. Hell, we used to poke them with pointy sticks until they died. I think this is definatly a better alternative, and I think i should support it.

I'm not offended by you, I'm sorry. I'm at a breaking point. I'm tired of being called a misogynist. I really am. I'm tired of having people insult me for my beliefs, and I know I'm used to it by now, but my mom's in the hospital and I'm really stressed now. I try my best not to be insulting and specifically avoid using fake propaganda unless I don't realize it's fake. So when Pyro said that, I got defensive. I'm sorry.

Thankyou very much heart

xd I love Futurama... Although, I hadn't seen that episode; I looked up the quote. XP

Oh god gonk Make it stop!

You know what, my dear?

You can do whatever the hell you want. You can bash me and my guild in your guild, in the ED thread (as I'm sure you already do) as well as any other pro-choice area.

But you have absolutely no right to come into my sanctuary with personal attacks. It's not fair.

I'm the member, you're not. This is not your place to make fun of me. This is not your place to laugh.

This is your place to have an open mind about the pro-life side, and I'm ******** sick and tired of pro-choicers like you barging in here as though this were your home, kicking back, relaxing, and bombarding us.

I post here not to debate. I post here to avoid people like you. And no, I'm not referring to all pro-choicers. As a matter of fact, a pro-choicer was the one who proceeded to tell me a whole lot about you.

So if you get anything out of this post, it's this: I don't have to deal with your bullshit in my own ******** guild. If you have a ********' problem with anything I've said, kindly PM me, like any decent pro-choicer would.

You say I give you strong suspicions that the pro-life side is pro-punishment?

Well, it's people like you who make me strongly suspicous about whether you're truly pro-choice or not, considering you don't support my choice to believe whatever I want, nor do you support my choice to post whatever the hell it is I feel like in the guild I call my Gaia home.

With that, I leave this guild until KP logs on and turns this place back to its private state. I can't stand this.

Edit: Y'know what? Never mind. I'm back in the game. I'm still staying here, through and through. I will continue fighting until we have our privacy back.

Think I'm biased, sweetcakes? Awww, well; I'm sorry. I'm not going to debate with you because, er . . . *rocket science an' s**t* this isn't a debating guild, I think. Not sure. Oh gosh, does debate come into place anywhere in the title? Err . . . I don't think so.

But I do see the words pro-life in the title. Let's think a little here. Pro-life. Means that life is sacred, that no one deserves to die for another human being's convenience.

Have a problem with anything I just said? Boo ******** hoo.

Here's the link back to your guild. Go there, make a thread where all your friends will be all like, "God, you're so right! You rock!"

Good day to you. ^______^

I could just as easily say the same for pro-life. You want to illegalize abortion, taking away ANY choice for the woman.

I want it kept legal. I want the CHOICE to remain open for women.





Humans are animals. We are unlike any other animal out there, we are different and special, but that doesn't give us the right to take their lives for no reason, no matter how pointless or stupid those lives may be.

Abortion, on the other hand, is more of a mercy killing or killing in self defense because of bodily domain and a lack of hatred for the fetus.



That's true. Because the way I see it, a living, breathing, feeling human is more important than a fetus. I still don't call myself "pro-abortion."



No.

Because my morals still give you the choice. My morals still give you the option to not have an abortion.

YOU want to make it illegal for me to destroy and remove a fetus from my body. You want it to be illegal for me to SAFELY defend myself, save my livelihood, save the rest of my family, and save a child from a life of torment. That's the difference between your morality and mine.



The definition of ANY living thing involves response to stimulus.

Therefore you cause pain when you kill bacteria, plants, and insects.



I still say I consent to sex and not pregnancy. See, your little "you consent to all outcomes" is invalidated the minute you think about BIRTH CONTROL, or even cases where someone accidently murders someone.

And abortion is not irresponsible or lazy. Since when does getting a $500 dollar surgery mean you're not being repsonsible for your actions? And it IS to correct a mistake.



I am a feminist, and you can't tell me I'm not just because I beleive that women have the right to control who or what goes into, stays inside, or comes out of their bodies.



That's punishment.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/punishment

"Punishing a woman for having an abortion" sounds an awful lot like "imposing a penalty on her for 'wrongdoing'" to me.



True. But things often go wrong, and do you know which animlas you're talking about? Cattle.

Chickens, turkeys, other poultry, and pigs are still very often hung upside down and have their throats slit.



I agree completely with the first sentance.

BUT you are technically an animal, like it or not.



No.

I support your rght to beleive that abortion is murder. I do not support you in forcing this beleif on me.

And I would never try to make it illegal to kill animals, because I only beleive that in some situations it is murder. But you know what? I can't make that decision for everyone else.



No, you are still taking away my right to safely choose to end a pregnancy. You're not being VERY forceful, but you're still being forceful.

Yet again, you are pro-punishment.

And a car is a horrible example. It affect WAAAAY more than just me or my passengers. It has the potential to harm anyone on or near that road. Abortion harms me and "the passenger" at best.



And apparantly, neither is bodily domain. rolleyes

Men get to keep their bodily integrity, no matter what, even if they have promiscuous, unprotected sex.

Why can't women?



I don't agree with PETA. They may have a few things to offer me, but mostly they're too hypocritical and forceful.

I am not wrong. I own a lot of animals, and I've had a lot of them die over the years. They do feel pain when it is inflicted on them.



Well, there are a lot of stupid ones out there. But there are a lot of smart ones, too.

I think you must have mostly just met them. Just as I have not found the best pro-lifers. (I disagree with you guys, but at least you back yourselves up and actually beleive what you're saying and don't just spout out a lot of bullcrap. You do have good intentions, it seems. I mean... you're wothy opponents. To be honest... I really am afraid people like you will eventually argue your way into making choice illegal. And then my body will be government property.)



People tend to get nasty when they're fighting not to become human incubators.



I'll explain again why I think I am not anti-life, and you are anti-choice.

I want it to be legal for a woman to choose whether or not she wants to end a pregnancy. I am more concerned about the QUALITY of life than the quantity. I don't want to end life, even the life of every fetus.

You want to make it illegal for a woman to get an abortion. The only "choice" she will then have involves a coathanger, flight of stairs, back alley "clinic".... the list goes on. You can hardly argue that that gives her two valid and safe choices.



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No.

A chicken egg is UNBORN, a fetus is UNBORN. I support the rights of neither over the already-born form of the organism.

And a chicken egg is, for the most part, unfertilzed. It will never hatch.

Therefore, the only thing a vegan would see wrong with eating a chicken egg is that it's unhealthy and "using animals as slaves."



Ay, you have a lot of learning to do about basic biology and ecology. >_<

"The top of the food chain" is whatever organism in an ecosystem has no predator. Often humans. BUT humans are eaten by many large mammals if said mammals are given the opportunity. And we don't eat these large predatory mammals, like big cats or bears or wolves. So they are just as high up as us.

And the food chain ONLY works while talking about an actual ecosystem. Humans famrming mass amounts of animals is not a natural predatory action, is is technology.



Fine. I'll leave. I'f defended my pro-choice/vegetarian position, and I'm frankly just as sick of being here as you are of me being here.

I just came to defend myself and get my point across.



Ooh, a threat? Like I give a s**t.



Fine. You can think what you want. But I can also correct you when you're wrong and defend myself when you mock me.



Good. I would have called you incapable of defending your opinion and a coward.



Really? Because I came ONLY to a specific thread in this guild asking why those of a very specific opinion beleive what they do.

I gave my opinion and backed it up. Sure, I was insulting, but it's not like I went all over your precious guild and insulted you. I responded to a specific post.



Means "No FETUS has to die for a woman's convenience, but the woman does have to give her life for the fetus to have one."

But that's a different debate altogether.



Nice middle school fight tactic. But I've dealt with s**t like this before, don't think I'm new to this type of insulting, psychotic, sneaky bullshit.

I came here alone and I don't need anyone, especially not an entire guild of what are essentially strangers, to back me up.

And King Seth, your shitty personal attack isn't even worth dignifying with a response, it's so unoriginal.

I came here to get my point across, I think I did. I didn't anticipate a strengthening of my opinion or a reaffirmation of why I'm disgusted by pro-lifers, but hey, you learn by living.