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and take away the jobs from good, honest, hard working people. Great idea...



how on earth can you say that when i just gave you a crystal clear example of the fact that it has EVERYTHING to do with punishment:

The difference between murder and manslaughter: intent

How about posession and posession with INTENT to sell?

how about solicitation of murder or prostitution or just about any soliciting charge? those are all about intent. They criminal didn't even DO anything, just showed enough intent TO do something that they are able to be punished for it.

If intent matters so little, then how come judges ALWAYS listen to testamony before handing down their sentance? Want to know? they are looking at intent, motives, and remorse. It's ALREADY a part of the justice system, a major part, and in places where the death penalty is in place, it's the difference between 25 to life and a needle in the arm.



right, and they probably died crushed under weights in the athletic room, or stabbed to death with a very small knife a million times, or got their throat cut if they were lucky. or got beaten or raped to death. Awesome. So much better then going to sleep and dying painlessly from a drug.



hide weapons that they've ALREADY MADE. The guards just happened to catch a fully built weapon before they inmate had a chance to use it. Talk about close calls. As i've said before, most of them don't even need weapons, they do it with environmental objects or their hands. Also, let's not forget those corrections officers: good people who have famlies and probably haven't committed a serious crime in their lives. You think they should be put at risk just so an animal like that can breathe for a few more years? You either gotta put these people in a 5x5 cage and slide them meals under the door, which is EXTREMELY inhumane and will only make them completely nuts, or take them out humanely. I think the second option is the best.

i had about 3 paragraphs of rebuttal planned, but i can easily see a cycle starting, and i don't think either of us are gonna change our views here. I think i'm right, you think you're right, are arguments are both good. (well, mine's good mrgreen )

This is probably gonna be an agree to disagree thing.

If you want to continue, that's fine, but i think both of us have made our points, and we're just gonna keep re-hashing them over and over. I don't think it's fair to the people that have to live with them to keep them alive, you don't think it's fair to them to kill them. We're both pretty much right. I just say that the people who haven't done anything wrong (or at least are trying to get their lives back togeather) deserve more rights then the guy who dosn't give a damn, and you say they both deserve equal right. Then i say It can't work, you say it can, i say your view is full of contradictions, you say mine is too.

Truth is, we're both right.

Only thing i'm gonna say is that this really dosn't compare to abortion at all because these people made choices to get themselves into a position where they could be killed for their crimes, where as in abortion, the vicitim has done nothing wrong.

Also, it's getting kinda heated. Mostly my fault i think, but i'm willing to throw the agree to disagree thing out here and be done with it. It's either that, or we run this cycle for another week or two blaugh

I am against the death penalty, to me it is hypocritical and I just don't think we as humans have the right to take each other's lives. I see us as all equal and who am I, or anyone else, to say who deserves to live or die? I don't think any of us have that power or that right.

So some guy murders someone else, we as a society deem that as wrong, so he gets puts on death row, and we are going to kill him....we are going to do exactly what we are punishing him for. That is such hypocrisy, it's ridiculous! He gets in trouble for killing someone, yet we can turn right around and kill him, where is the logic there??
I think human life is valuable and we are all equal. To me killing a fetus is the same as killing a grown man or woman. We just don't have that right.

I used to be netural on the death penalty, but after really thinking about it, I decided to go anti-death penalty. Here's why:

1: I'm Catholic and the Catholic Church opposes the death penalty, so I oppose it. Unless Pope Benedict says the church has changed it's position, I'm anti-death penalty.
2: If there is one right no one should have, it's the right to decide who has the right to live and who doesn't. With this right, everyone is in danger. Abortion and the death penalty put this dangerous right into action. As much as I despise rapists, *****, and wife-beaters, killing them is giving them a free pass. I say we lock them up, throw away the key, and give them a sink, a toilet, a window (if they're lucky), a Bible, and a picture of the victim so they can see the face of the human being they killed every single day!
3: The death penalty has the ability to turn public sympathy to the murderer, not the victim. Here's an example: Tookie Williams, a scumbag gangster, shot four people in the back and laughed at the sounds they made as they died. When he was given the death penalty, websites like savetookie.org starting showing up and there were candle light vigils for a guy who expressed no remorse for his victims. It's disgusting when a serial murderer gets sympathy instead of the victims.