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 Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 2:25 am
Quote: Sasuke's feelings for Sakura... I don't see anything more than a teammembership between them. It's only Sakura who remember the times about Sasuke but at those memories Sasuke is mostly with Naruto or they are all together but there is no extra thing for Sakura... on the other hand in the second part when they met with Sasuke again he didn't spare a minute for her while he was more interested with Naruto and Kakashi who was even not there.
Anyway, there's a slight chance Sasuke loved Sakura in the romantic sense, but obviously he would quell those feelings, just like the feelings of brotherhood he had with Naruto, in the end. He's an avenger, after all. He can't let this stuff get in the way.
Of course, this is just speculation.
As for those memories, they haven't had much time to be together, have they? I don't think Kishi wanted Part 1 to focus so much on impending romance as much as the teamwork and all that jazz. There WAS one time when Sakura could actually talk to Sasuke freely, and that was when he was about to leave. She couldn't be honest to him till it was too late.
But looking at the series, they DO have a lot of moments together - but near-death experiences don't exactly count as memories you'd like someone who's about to leave to remember, right? She wanted him to remember, at least, the good times with Team 7, never mind with her.
When they met in the second part, as Kairi-san said, Sasuke DID spare her more than just a second. In fact, he uttered Sakura's name (though how he said it seemed vague in the manga). And after the neck-wringing she gave Sai without knowing Sasuke was watching, I think he might have noticed more.
(But honestly, I thought this quoted argument was a bit on the vague side.)
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Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 1:43 pm
Quote: Sasuke's feelings for Sakura... I don't see anything more than a teammembership between them. It's only Sakura who remember the times about Sasuke but at those memories Sasuke is mostly with Naruto or they are all together but there is no extra thing for Sakura... on the other hand in the second part when they met with Sasuke again he didn't spare a minute for her while he was more interested with Naruto and Kakashi who was even not there. Teamembership? I don't think so. Sasuke has shown too much towards Sakura to be simply 'teammembership.' Sasuke is focused on revenge and is close-minded about all other things. So, he really doesn't care about love. I doubt he ever had any romantic feelings towards Sakura, but he did care for her. Sakura wasn't like the other girls in the academy. Though at a time she was only just another fangirl crazy over him, but as time went by, Sakura started to care for Sasuke, support him and actually truly love him. I think Sasuke realized that. He realized that Sakura cared for him, she supported him, she worried for him, she loved him for who he was. Loved him so much that she was even willing to leave everything behind and help him get his revenge. Sasuke realized that, which leads to the "Thank you" before he left. So yeah, I do not think that is simply just teammembership. Regarding the time-skip, he did spared a minute for Sakura. Though it was very brief. Still, that moment wasn't really focused on her. It was more about Naruto. In any case, that's a vague moment that I don't think it should be used since it really doesn't say much. Yet, we still have to see what happends in next reunion.
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Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 11:42 am
Kairi.nin ..
I think you all scared her away. She isn't even a member of this guild anymore. Was five people seriously necessary to basically tell her the same thing over and over?
I'm not trying to be mean, nor am I mad, but it really seemed as though you guys ganged up on her. She might not have minded.. but then again why else would she have quit the guild, and never replied? Albeit there could have been other reasons..
But I suppose it doesn't matter now.
If two members start a serious debate, I suggest staying out of it unless one of them needs the assistance. Have a little more faith in them. [Honestly, I think you all made good posts, I just think Trusty and Moenokori should have settled this debate on their own.]
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Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 4:28 am
--The Trusty Sidekick-- Kairi.nin ..
I think you all scared her away. She isn't even a member of this guild anymore. Was five people seriously necessary to basically tell her the same thing over and over?
I'm not trying to be mean, nor am I mad, but it really seemed as though you guys ganged up on her. She might not have minded.. but then again why else would she have quit the guild, and never replied? Albeit there could have been other reasons..
But I suppose it doesn't matter now.
If two members start a serious debate, I suggest staying out of it unless one of them needs the assistance. Have a little more faith in them. [Honestly, I think you all made good posts, I just think Trusty and Moenokori should have settled this debate on their own.]
Anyway, it's good that you straightened out things with her. I was pretty worried she'd hold a grudge.
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Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 6:56 pm
tenshinohana-chan --The Trusty Sidekick-- Kairi.nin ..
I think you all scared her away. She isn't even a member of this guild anymore. Was five people seriously necessary to basically tell her the same thing over and over?
I'm not trying to be mean, nor am I mad, but it really seemed as though you guys ganged up on her. She might not have minded.. but then again why else would she have quit the guild, and never replied? Albeit there could have been other reasons..
But I suppose it doesn't matter now.
If two members start a serious debate, I suggest staying out of it unless one of them needs the assistance. Have a little more faith in them. [Honestly, I think you all made good posts, I just think Trusty and Moenokori should have settled this debate on their own.]
Anyway, it's good that you straightened out things with her. I was pretty worried she'd hold a grudge.
I dont think she re-joined the guild. Do to the others. Not just us. She still feels that her thoughts probably wouldnt have gotten through. Im just glad that she was as cool as she was about it. But she still likes the pairing.
But Im so glad that she doesnt hold a grudge on this guild. Very glad, because grudges when used wrong, can be very very painfull. O.O.
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Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 12:44 pm
I found this in he Anti-Sasuke guild. I dont want anyone to go there and start ranting around. Because a rule of theirs is to not mess with any Pro Sasuke guilds or people that like Sasuke. Just a sorce. Everyone has their reasons for liking them, and disliking them. There are a few things that bug me. I took away everyone's name on there. We dont need people hating on others for their oppinions. So Ill keep the reasons anonymous. They seem to bug me though. There seems to be no real good reasons. By my standards. Quote: THANKS EVERYONE NOW I CAN MAKE GUILD AND ILL INVITE EVERYONE ON LIST!^^ By Popular Demand Reasons Why I Despise Sasuke: (In no particular order as of now...If you have your reasons that arent on here feel free to pm to me and I will add them) 1. Whiny...keeps complaining about revenge and parents i mean your not the only kid who doesnt have parents get over it 2. Traitor....he left the village and friends for more power how selfish is that- 3. obsession-compulsive- 4. hardass- 5. He copies everyone elses moves...rock lee's...kakashi's...i know it's sharingan but I mean kakashi has sharingan but he made his own move can't sasuke instead of using everyone elses? 6. He's cocky thinking he's the best compared to everyone else 7. as itachi put it nicely, 'foolish'- 8. He is an a*****e to everyone, even when they try to be his friend all he can do is be a basterd.- 9. He doesn't even care for all the girls that swoon over him-*cough*SasuGAY*cough* can't have sasuke without UKE 10. He thought his brother as his rival- 11. He only wanted to be better than his brother when he was younger- 12. He's an a*****e to 13. He's lazy, where he had to use his sharingan to create his fighting style & 'renden' - Both Lee & Naruto did it through hard work.-
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Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 12:58 pm
--The Trusty Sidekick-- I found this in he Anti-Sasuke guild. I dont want anyone to go there and start ranting around. Because a rule of theirs is to not mess with any Pro Sasuke guilds or people that like Sasuke. Just a sorce. Everyone has their reasons for liking them, and disliking them. There are a few things that bug me. I took away everyone's name on there. We dont need people hating on others for their oppinions. So Ill keep the reasons anonymous. They seem to bug me though. There seems to be no real good reasons. By my standards. Quote: THANKS EVERYONE NOW I CAN MAKE GUILD AND ILL INVITE EVERYONE ON LIST!^^ By Popular Demand Reasons Why I Despise Sasuke: (In no particular order as of now...If you have your reasons that arent on here feel free to pm to me and I will add them) 1. Whiny...keeps complaining about revenge and parents i mean your not the only kid who doesnt have parents get over it 2. Traitor....he left the village and friends for more power how selfish is that- 3. obsession-compulsive- 4. hardass- 5. He copies everyone elses moves...rock lee's...kakashi's...i know it's sharingan but I mean kakashi has sharingan but he made his own move can't sasuke instead of using everyone elses? 6. He's cocky thinking he's the best compared to everyone else 7. as itachi put it nicely, 'foolish'- 8. He is an a*****e to everyone, even when they try to be his friend all he can do is be a basterd.- 9. He doesn't even care for all the girls that swoon over him-*cough*SasuGAY*cough* can't have sasuke without UKE 10. He thought his brother as his rival- 11. He only wanted to be better than his brother when he was younger- 12. He's an a*****e to 13. He's lazy, where he had to use his sharingan to create his fighting style & 'renden' - Both Lee & Naruto did it through hard work.- FIRST OF ALL HE HAS A FRICKEN BLOOD LIMIT HE'S ALLOWED TO USE IT FOR CHRIST'S SAKE! He isn't gay, he's consentrating on revenge. rolleyes And how do you know that the girl he chooses won't be the SEME for him, huh!? When he was a child he looked up to his brother, thank you very much. You'd be an 'a*****e' to if you lost everybody that ever really loved you too.>.> Okay, so Kakashi isn't, but that doesn't mean as a child he wasn't. HOW MANY CHILDREN WITNESS THEIR PARENTS DEATH OR ACTUALLY SEE THE CORPSE OF EVERYBODY IN THERE FAMILY WITH BLOOD ON THEM, HUH!? mad scream mad He doesn't think he's the best, he's is working hard to become the best and kill his brother to avenge his clan. Mmkay? He's not foolish, he's on the brink of insanity!Get it right.
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Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 1:38 am
I shall go wild.
By Popular Demand Reasons Why I Despise Sasuke:
(In no particular order as of now...If you have your reasons that arent on here feel free to pm to me and I will add them)
1. Whiny...keeps complaining about revenge and parents i mean your not the only kid who doesnt have parents get over it
My Response: There are a lot of orphans in the world. I would say about 20-35% of them had their parents killed or rendered physically inept. I would say that if all of them knew how their parents were killed, at least 50% of them would find a way to get revenge. Sasuke's way of thinking is primitive, I admit - an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth. But raw feelings such as that emerge whenever you've had a horrible experience like that. It's natural for Sasuke to feel that way - especially when he was egged on by Itachi to get revenge by killing him.
Whiny or complaining aren't the words to explain his state - he just wants to get it through that his only purpose in life is revenge. Just like talking to your friends that you want to be a doctor when you grow up.
2. Traitor....he left the village and friends for more power how selfish is that-
MR: YES he was a traitor, because yet again Sasuke listened to temptation rather than what he really wants. I don't think he would've sought out revenge unless Itachi told him to. I don't think he would've gone to Orochi if he hadn't dangled the "power" bait in front of him. Sasuke feels it's important to get strong as quickly as possible, and due to his bad judgement, Orochi was his best bet. He wasn't selfish however - he IS doing this for his clan.
3. obsession-compulsive-
MR: Oh, so NOW people are hated because of a mental condition. Everyone has an OC person somewhere in them - why not hate EVERYONE as well? Including yourself?
4. hardass-
MR: Huh? I don't even understand why this is a reason.
5. He copies everyone elses moves...rock lee's...kakashi's...i know it's sharingan but I mean kakashi has sharingan but he made his own move can't sasuke instead of using everyone elses?
MR: Well, I'm SORRY he has a bloodline ability like that. It's not like he made the Shishi Rendan or the Chidori Nagashi or anything. And it's not like he improved Lee's technique and made it his own, either. Sheesh.
6. He's cocky thinking he's the best compared to everyone else
MR: If you looked at the beginning of the Chuunin Exams, he was actually concerned about how strong Gaara, Neji and Lee were. He knew that there were far stronger nins than him. He only thinks he's better than his classmates, because, DUH, he graduated first.
7. as itachi put it nicely, 'foolish'-
MR: And this is a reason because...?
8. He is an a*****e to everyone, even when they try to be his friend all he can do is be a basterd.-
MR: It's part of his want to be shot of everyone so that he wouldn't love anyone then get depressed when they die. His idea was that if no one got close to him, then he wouldn't feel that loss again if they were taken away from him. And he doesn't really want anyone to get involved with him because Itachi might take them away. The wrong idea, but it shows that he cares.
9. He doesn't even care for all the girls that swoon over him-*cough*SasuGAY*cough* can't have sasuke without UKE
MR: Right - why WOULDN'T he care about annoying fangirls? And it's not like Sakura isn't a girl in love with him, even if he's saved her a lot of times.
10. He thought his brother as his rival-
MR: Um, NO. He thought his brother was someone to emulate. THEN someone to hate.
11. He only wanted to be better than his brother when he was younger-
MR: It's a thing called "Sibling Rivalry." Ever heard of it?
12. He's an a*****e to
MR: *coughREPETITIVEcough*
13. He's lazy, where he had to use his sharingan to create his fighting style & 'renden' - Both Lee & Naruto did it through hard work.-
MR: Lazy? Well, excuse me if he's the first to arrive at meeting places, if he trains all day and has no time for rest, and that Naruto only tried to flimsily copy the rendan from him.
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Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 6:27 am
Quote: By Popular Demand Reasons Why I Despise Sasuke: (In no particular order as of now...If you have your reasons that arent on here feel free to pm to me and I will add them) Quote: 1. Whiny...keeps complaining about revenge and parents i mean your not the only kid who doesnt have parents get over it Quote: 2. Traitor....he left the village and friends for more power how selfish is that- Quote: 5. He copies everyone elses moves...rock lee's...kakashi's...i know it's sharingan but I mean kakashi has sharingan but he made his own move can't sasuke instead of using everyone elses? Quote: 6. He's cocky thinking he's the best compared to everyone else Quote: 7. as itachi put it nicely, 'foolish'- Quote: 8. He is an a*****e to everyone, even when they try to be his friend all he can do is be a basterd.- Quote: 9. He doesn't even care for all the girls that swoon over him *cough*SasuGAY*cough* can't have sasuke without UKE Quote: 10. He thought his brother as his rival- Quote: 11. He only wanted to be better than his brother when he was younger- Quote: 13. He's lazy, where he had to use his sharingan to create his fighting style & 'renden' - Both Lee & Naruto did it through hard work.-
And there, an incredibally long rant. Ahh Tenshinohana-chan, you rant so well. -envies- As long as there are other people that look at this as logically as I think I do. Then maybe Sasuke does have some hope in the world.
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Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 7:19 am
Quote: 1. Whiny...keeps complaining about revenge and parents i mean your not the only kid who doesnt have parents get over it Whiny isn't the word. Whiny is when someone complains about something like you said. Sasuke doesn't complain about not having parents. He has never complained. He simply just reminds himself what moves him to kill Itachi. You should get a dictionary... Besides, is true that he isn't the only one who's an orphan. But remember the way he lost his family. It isn't wasn't veyr pretty and that marked him forever. Come again... ._.? Quote: 5. He copies everyone elses moves...rock lee's...kakashi's...i know it's sharingan but I mean kakashi has sharingan but he made his own move can't sasuke instead of using everyone elses? Heh...that's funny. Because for as long as I've seen the series...Sasuke has been one of the most hardworking ninjas I've seen. Oh...so then all of his training was all cheats? True, the sharingan does allow you to copy moves...but I remember him working very hard to get the sharingan. Also, if memory serves right...didn't he made his own technique? Oh yeah...he did. He copied Lee's taijutsu and rearranged it to make the Lions Barrage (dub). As far as I know, that is Sasuke's technique. Quote: 7. as itachi put it nicely, 'foolish'- What's your point... stare Quote: 8. He is an a*****e to everyone, even when they try to be his friend all he can do is be a basterd.- Um...just because you're anti-social doesn't make you and a*****e. He had his reasons. Mainly because he was too depressed and wanted to get strong so badly that having friends wasn't really in his priority list. Quote: 9. He doesn't even care for all the girls that swoon over him-*cough*SasuGAY*cough* can't have sasuke without UKE Um...would you care if you had fangirls/fanboys? Don't think so... Anyone can get annoyed by having girls or boys swooing over one... Besides...I can't remember Kishimoto stating his gay...oh wait! There's isn't any thing stating it because he isn't. Just because someone isn't intereste din girls doesn't make them gay. Love is something trivial for Sasuke. As long as he's for revenge...girls are just hindrances. Quote: 10. He thought his brother as his rival- Did you even saw the anime or read the manga? Itachi was never Sasuke's rival. Itachi was Sasuke's role model. Which is something different. Get a dictionary. >.> Itachi was the pride of the clan and everyone talked about him. Saske was an avarage kid and everyone in the clan praised Itachi and wanted Sasuke to be like him. Sasuke felt left out, and wanted people to praise him and admire him as well. So he pushed himself to be stronger. Not for malice. Quote: 11. He only wanted to be better than his brother when he was younger- Are you seriously putting that? Come on! Itachi was the pride of the clan...no one cared to see Sauske's work. Regard the previous comment. You already said it... stare Quote: 13. He's lazy, where he had to use his sharingan to create his fighting style & 'renden' - Both Lee & Naruto did it through hard work.- Do I remember correctly, or was Sasuke one of the most harsworking student? Lee and Naruto both do work. And besides, he doesn't always use the sharingan for copying. If he did, he would've copied all of Gaara's, Temari's, and Naruto's techniques. Which he clearly hasn't. He only uses the sharingan as far as I know, to use the Chidori. My God...that guy/girl has got to be the most dumbass person ever...never seen such senseless arguements... stare
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Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 6:38 pm
I'm too lazy to go find something to be crazy at. x.x I REAllly feel like yelling though. xP
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Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 12:46 pm
Well, thanks, Trusty-san. heart You and underworld-girl covered the finer points I've missed. You rant pretty well too - I've said this before over and over again.
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Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 12:33 pm
OK. I'm in this other forum and there's a Naruto thread. There's this girl who's a friend of mine and she hates Sakura. Yesterday or the day before, she wrote something about Sakura's feliengs for Sasuke. I'll quote it. This is a good practice debate or you can just tell her off. XP I'm currently debating with her and I think I'll need a few ideas...(theres a second part to this debate.) Quoting naruske (Part 1)Quote: to me, to actually love someone is to understand a person or at least find a unique quality that you love in that person, or why else would you love that person. sakura doesn't understand sasuke nor does she try to understand that deep pain that he feels. that's why sasuke doesn't like sakura as much, although he thanks her for trying. that's why sasuke didn't want sakura to follow him. sakura grew in an environment where she was raised perfectly. she had her parents and she was a goody-goody. she can't fully understand sasuke because she's never felt the pain of loss. she's what you call a fan girl. she likes him because he's cute and strong. what else? nothing. kishimoto may make us think that sakura truly loves sasuke, but really...I don't think that's real love. she loves sasuke for his looks and strength. over the time, you see sakura caring and caring for sasuke, but what does she really love? it's a question to also ask youself, do you love this person for his/her looks and ability? or do actually love this person for his personality? the way he/she does something to make you happy? people get mixed up of what's really love and what's not. we know sasuke's personality and he's really not the perfect person to be admired, why else would any other girl in the world like him? he's cute and he's a badass. also, sakura's not the kind of person who considers other people's feelings nor puts herself in anyone's position. THAT is why she couldn't find that specific, unique, quality that naruto always carried.
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Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 12:34 pm
My 1st reply: Quote: I must say that I disagree with you in a way narusuke. At first, true...Sakura's 'love'for Sasuke was plain. She was only just another rabid fangirl that liked him for his looks and all. But after time passes by, Sakura starts knowing more about Sasuke and who he really is. That there's more to him that just the cool-genius-hottie. She realized that there was a fractured boy that has been crushed and had suffered a lot. Sakura then, started to turly love him. Because she saw him differently and loved him for who he was. Also, she helped him as much as she could and never abandoned him. Tha't's why when Sasuke left she confessed herself. In fact, she was even willing to leave Konoho herself and leave her family behind to be with Sasuke and help him. She was eilling to betray Konoha for him. That, to me, is true love.
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Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2006 5:09 am
Quote: to me, to actually love someone is to understand a person or at least find a unique quality that you love in that person, or why else would you love that person. sakura doesn't understand sasuke nor does she try to understand that deep pain that he feels. that's why sasuke doesn't like sakura as much, although he thanks her for trying. that's why sasuke didn't want sakura to follow him. sakura grew in an environment where she was raised perfectly. she had her parents and she was a goody-goody. she can't fully understand sasuke because she's never felt the pain of loss. she's what you call a fan girl. she likes him because he's cute and strong. what else? nothing. kishimoto may make us think that sakura truly loves sasuke, but really...I don't think that's real love. she loves sasuke for his looks and strength. over the time, you see sakura caring and caring for sasuke, but what does she really love? it's a question to also ask youself, do you love this person for his/her looks and ability? or do actually love this person for his personality? the way he/she does something to make you happy? people get mixed up of what's really love and what's not. we know sasuke's personality and he's really not the perfect person to be admired, why else would any other girl in the world like him? he's cute and he's a badass. also, sakura's not the kind of person who considers other people's feelings nor puts herself in anyone's position. THAT is why she couldn't find that specific, unique, quality that naruto always carried.
The so-called "unique quality" Sakura loves in Sasuke is that because he is so alone and doesn't have anyone to genuinely care for him. She has so much love to give and she can give that love to Sasuke, who needs it the most. And she DOES try to understand - that's why she's always made brave stabs at conversation and whatnot, just to know what he's thinking. But you don't have to understand people to show them you love them.
She may have only cared about the "perfect" side of Sasuke before, but now she cares for the Sasuke who is broken and lonely. She never had the pain of loss before, but now that she's lost Sasuke, she can understand a part of his pain, and therefore can move closer to him. The last nail to the coffin of her "fangirl-ism" is when Sasuke left her.
Sakura may have only cared for skin-deep characteristics before, but she's grown since being placed in Team 7. You can't accuse her of being unable to see the good qualities in other people anymore - she's already accepted Sasuke as more than being just the "perfect" nin, and she's already accepted Naruto as being a reliable friend and comrade.
Love is when you make sacrifices for certain people. She sacrificed her pride when she told Sasuke she loved him, and she moved out of her comfort zone to train in the art of medicine so she can get him back, not only for herself, but for him and for Naruto. For Team 7.
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