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 Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 7:00 pm
iShay-chan iMistah-kun I see what you mean and I have to say that I agree with you. Thats why I hope I will be able to spread responsibility of activity amongst other members who are able to be a bit more active than Kages. You were kind of put in a bad situation because of me sweatdrop though with everything that is going to be going on soon I think you will end up with having a lot more to do. I honestly think the reason people keep getting into arguments is because they have nothing else to do. How does everyone feel about rankings and training? I personally don't see how it could be of much fun to either side ( the teacher or the student ). I think that a lot of times the autoranks put aside training since most of them find it tedious...which is kinda of not good for us since that kind of what comes with the promotion. ------------------------------ To Shay, Thank you for voicing your opinion. I understand what you are saying and you're right, there is only so much that I can do as one person. Although we won't just demote everyone in crew as most of them do mean well, we will try to work with the crew members and make sure that they govern the guild appropriately. I am going to now enforce a new rule. "Private matters are to be private messaged." After reading your post I've come to a conclusion, many times when fights broke out, it was due to it being in a public forum. In other words, I'm saying that the issue would have been resolved much more quickly and with less hostility if they were dealt with through PM. From this point on, if I, or anyone else in the crew sees a message that should have been addressed through PM rather than a public chat then we will delete it and tell the poster to send the message in a PM. This will cut down on people choosing sides or feeling like people are ganging up on them. How does that sound for a resolution? I understand that it won't fix everything but it will damn sure be a start. iShay-chan
I see the hints. Just picture it, craving to witness...
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Doing that isn't going to change anything. Enforcing a rule like that is going to give people more freedom to say whatever the hell they want. At least when the fight takes place within the guild, there is the illusion of a watchful eye being there to keep things from getting ridiculously out of hand. When matters are moved to private messages, that disappears.
I'm not going to lie to you. I don't think that any of the things you've said are going to help.
When you take away the element of rules and the element of a higher power delivering punishment, you give the people free reign to do wahtever the hell they please.
When you take that away, you take away whatever expectations you have.
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"But we blinked and missed it."
People are always going to be starting fights... it's the internet there is no way to stop it. People also have a right to say what ever they please, and if there rude or hurt someone feeling the person who was hurt has the right to bring it up to Crew and have the rules put into action. The only way for problems like this to never happen is for every one to agree on everything. That wont happen.
What Mistah is proposing is way to keep the damage under control and not have to have the entire guild stressed over two people bickering. No it wont stop everything from going wrong but it will stop some things. Which is a start.
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Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 7:00 pm
@Shira
Nah...your thread suggested that we have a stat system and clean up the forums didn't it?
@Shay
Not really. If you talk in private with someone and they seem to be getting too hostile just forward the message to a crew member you both feel comfortable with to mediate.
@Havik
Well as far as I know, isn't the Otokage going to be dying anyway? I think that would actually work...especially if it is the Demon Country. Not to sure about the other villages.
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Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 7:02 pm
-o-Havik-o- I think it is a good plan to keep people who don't belong in a conversation out of one. When things are posted in public forums people jump and add there opinion because that is what you do with public forums.
People are always going to be starting fights... it's the internet there is no way to stop it. People also have a right to say what ever they please, and if there rude or hurt someone feeling the person who was hurt has the right to bring it up to Crew and have the rules put into action. The only way for problems like this to never happen is for every one to agree on everything. That wont happen.
What Mistah is proposing is way to keep the damage under control and not have to have the entire guild stressed over two people bickering. No it wont stop everything from going wrong but it will stop some things. Which is a start. Yup, that pretty much sums it up.
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Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 7:03 pm
Wait, why is the Otokage dying?
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Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 7:07 pm
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Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 7:12 pm
iMistah-kun @Shira Nah...your thread suggested that we have a stat system and clean up the forums didn't it? @Shay Not really. If you talk in private with someone and they seem to be getting too hostile just forward the message to a crew member you both feel comfortable with to mediate. @Havik Well as far as I know, isn't the Otokage going to be dying anyway? I think that would actually work...especially if it is the Demon Country. Not to sure about the other villages.
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Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 7:13 pm
Lol well if it is some story line thing Cobra has lined up then I say nothing further.
But Cobra is our Otokage... good luck trying to kill him if he isn't willing to die for Rp's sake.
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Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 9:02 pm
iSix-kun iShay-chan iMistah-kun I see what you mean and I have to say that I agree with you. Thats why I hope I will be able to spread responsibility of activity amongst other members who are able to be a bit more active than Kages. You were kind of put in a bad situation because of me sweatdrop though with everything that is going to be going on soon I think you will end up with having a lot more to do. I honestly think the reason people keep getting into arguments is because they have nothing else to do. How does everyone feel about rankings and training? I personally don't see how it could be of much fun to either side ( the teacher or the student ). I think that a lot of times the autoranks put aside training since most of them find it tedious...which is kinda of not good for us since that kind of what comes with the promotion. ------------------------------ To Shay, Thank you for voicing your opinion. I understand what you are saying and you're right, there is only so much that I can do as one person. Although we won't just demote everyone in crew as most of them do mean well, we will try to work with the crew members and make sure that they govern the guild appropriately. I am going to now enforce a new rule. "Private matters are to be private messaged." After reading your post I've come to a conclusion, many times when fights broke out, it was due to it being in a public forum. In other words, I'm saying that the issue would have been resolved much more quickly and with less hostility if they were dealt with through PM. From this point on, if I, or anyone else in the crew sees a message that should have been addressed through PM rather than a public chat then we will delete it and tell the poster to send the message in a PM. This will cut down on people choosing sides or feeling like people are ganging up on them. How does that sound for a resolution? I understand that it won't fix everything but it will damn sure be a start. iShay-chan
I see the hints. Just picture it, craving to witness...
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Doing that isn't going to change anything. Enforcing a rule like that is going to give people more freedom to say whatever the hell they want. At least when the fight takes place within the guild, there is the illusion of a watchful eye being there to keep things from getting ridiculously out of hand. When matters are moved to private messages, that disappears.
I'm not going to lie to you. I don't think that any of the things you've said are going to help.
When you take away the element of rules and the element of a higher power delivering punishment, you give the people free reign to do wahtever the hell they please.
When you take that away, you take away whatever expectations you have.
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"But we blinked and missed it." What punishments get delivered around here? and what higher power enforces them? Six, because this seems to be a recurring question, I will answer it: When we deal out a true ougoun, we're as quiet about it as possible. They HAVE been dealt, and usually when a person gets one, they go back to their business, and they know they're being watched, because the moment someone does something against the rules with a primary ougoun attached to them, they get no mercy. So no, punishments are not public around here, and that's how we're gonna keep them.
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Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 9:18 pm
Oh, I wasn't aware of the private punishment thing, but still I stand by my remark that we should have punishment systems instead of just firm talking tos and the ever present ougan (and threats there-of).
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Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 9:34 pm
iSix-kun Oh, I wasn't aware of the private punishment thing, but still I stand by my remark that we should have punishment systems instead of just firm talking tos and the ever present Ougoun (and threats there-of). Like the United States Judicial Systems? We're trying to keep things at a low profile and the punishment isn't fixed in stone so you don't know what will happen if you start making trouble. You won't be able to plan ahead and just shrug it off when you get an Ougoun. The Ougoun is a warning in addition to whatever punishment and time frame for said punishment the crew finds acceptable for the illegal action that was performed.That is our punishment system. You're judge is a Vice-Captain, the jury the crew, and no Lawyer for you.
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Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 12:46 am
-o-Havik-o- LordTares I have a possible solution to fixing the oto situation through story. Why not have that village merge or conquer another village so therefore the oto members who are unique are want to keep their characters can. Also you mark a village of the list so, and possibly double the numbers of a lesser active village. What do you think?
And no Shira it isn't really the same Mistah is asking every one what they think is wrong you posted a while ago about threads taking to long to be responded to because some crew were mia and saying there was to much clutter... The two are very different.It doesnt have to be over war, could be a friendly merger, just offering that the problem be fixed through story rather than through closing a village and destroying the characters.
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Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 6:38 am
Just my opinion:
Activity is never an issue of having too many villages for people to choose from. More options mean more possibilities which opens up more storylines for people to develop and execute.
Activity can only be solved in one way. Less arguing, less bickering, more Role-playing. If people are bored, MAKE s**t UP. Get your character to do something, create a mission for yourself, create an ARC for yourself... bring a friend. It's not hard. Activity issues are solved by members making their own stories and running with them. You can't have everything force fed to you. Aside from that, inactivity is just laziness, lack of time, or lack of want to RP. Crew can only affect the last one, but 2/3 of the issue is an individual's responsibility.
(Also, as a side note, I don't know what everyone's big deal is about Oto housing 2nd RPCs. What?... are they like second class citizens now? A second RPC is just as legitimate a character as any other RPC, it's all about how you play them and develop their character/storyline.)
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Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 1:23 pm
The thing about 'merging' Oto with another village won't work well because it's not a physical village in the sense that there are great walls and Ninja Academies. There is a seamless blend within the Rice Country and Otogakure and there are no runts running on rooftops and scaling walls willy-nilly because Oto's number one rule is being unnoticed.
I mean unless the village merging with Oto wanted to adopt it's rules and 'theme', I don't think merging will work out. Besides Oto is young but it definetly has potential.
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Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 1:38 pm
i apologize in advance for using names, and for this extremely long rant. you don't have to read it if you don't want to xD
Arguements
i don't really know what to say about this. yea, this guild gets into alot of arguments, but there isn't really any sure way to fix this. people just need to mind their own business, i suppose. when the marijuana banner issue came up, i was about to put my two cents in, but i didn't. wanna know why? well, i had to get off the computer......but, to make this statement sound better, it wasn't my business. privacy might improve the topic, but i doubt it.
a solution i have come up with is an HR Department (or something like that) we give complaints to a specific crew member/members in private. that crew member/members then reaches a decision based on all the information given. he/she will inform the person who is being complained about that he/she is being complained about, all the while using no names so no animosity arises. it keeps everything private, efficient, and gets a neutral position on a subject matter. also, there will be no bashing.
Departments
The solution above has brought me to another idea. why not have departments in crew. sorta like a government, this gives the crew more responsibility other than approving applications. a clean slate of the crew would probably be needed, though if a crew member is worthy of their position, it won't be long until they get it back. departments would include the HR Department mentioned earlier, as well as.....
- Applications Department: basically, these do the app checking
- Enforcement Department: enforcing guild rules, basically
- Public Information Department: the guild wants to know what the crew is up to. this will allow us to gain a bit of information
and others. these aren't really good ones i thought of, but you get the general point. elections would be held and those wanting positions would run their own campaign. let the guild decide who should be in the crew, eh? keeps everyone happy, improves efficiency, and makes me look like a freaking genius (good publicity for moi)
New Members
i feel like i need to bring this up. a sure way to improve relations between the guild is actually getting to know each other. not to be mean or harsh or anything, but there are certain members who are just intimidating. to be more specific, Greg, Luo, and Hinote. now, this is not an attack, and while i don't know either of you three very well, i have seen you guys been a bit.....piss your pants style. and again, while i do not know you guys very well, i have seen you joke around, be nice, and act friendly. try doing that in this guild, eh? instead of bashing someone for posting OOC in a forum, inform them politely that its not allowed. if someone is asking for help on creating a new character, don't just automatically turn them to the New Members Forum. get them involved, talk to them, make them happy (trust me, i'm a psychologist.....well, not really. i just read a book about this stuff)
and, even though its not that major, there are some cliques in this guild. again, not alot, but a few. merely saying "hi" to a new member is not really starting a conversation with them. again, there are some genuine kind members in this guild, but for the few that aren't, try at least to "fake it"
(Side Note: for those who i have mentioned, i did not mean to offend you in any way. just my opinion, i could be wrong. please don't go all hulk smash on me)
Activity
Yea, this guild has been a bit inactive. that could change though. Mistah, you're idea about the seperate guilds for each village could work well. add a bit of espionage in the guild. which brings me to me next point....
not everyone wants to be academy students. surprise surprise, but starting off as an academy student is, in short, boring as hell. you go to the village kage tower, where you are most likely greeted by a clone of the actual kage, who is out doing something important. you then wait 3 weeks to get your actual training started, and you spend pretty much the next 2 weeks posting repetitive posts about you "struggling to control your chakra". yes, i know, you're at the edge of your seats awaiting whats next. well, after you learn all the e-rank jutsus of your element, half of which you won't even use, you go on an out of village mission that ends up taking forever, mainly because you have to wait until all the people in your squad post before moving on. if you haven't stopped posting by now, then you, my friend, are a patient saint.
i may be only speaking for myself, but starting out as an academy student is boring as hell (training, personally, makes me want to bathe in boiling water) and believe it or not, the naruto world is not only made up of AS and genin, with only 1 jounin per village. there are ninjas, who do ninja things, like killing and spying on a kage. this might be news to everyone, but learning how to walk on a tree for 5 posts isn't exactly ninja like. i propose that we allow starting members to start off as jounin and chuunin, maybe even sannin/kage rank. we have all these cool jutsus, clans, and fighting techniques, yet we only use about 15% of their potential. wouldn't you like to see someone try and assassinate a kage? a ninja raid on a clan compound? an all out brawl between 5 shinobi? well, i would. it would not only raise activity, but make this guild overall more interesting and attract new members.
but of course, a response will most likely be "we can't have 20 jounin in each village, you know" yes, i do know, which is why we have limits. some people actually want to start off as Academy Students and work their way up. others want to start with enough techniques that they can be formidable, but then learn the rest on their own. we will not only have specific tests for those wanting increased ranks (such as RP Samples, activity checks, and trivia of the naruto world) but also incentives for those who want to start off as a new ninja (may it be extra custom weapons, special privileges, entering in a raffle) there will also be limits on the number of ranks allowed in each village, so there will not be "20 jounin in each village" still, honestly, would you prefer a guild full of differed jounin, or a guild full of genin who all know the same moves?
thats pretty much my take on things.....again, i apologize for this really long post. when you have good ideas, its hard to keep them in rofl
and yes, i know that i'm a genius (or at least my momma told me so)
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Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 2:23 pm
The Nerdbot
Departments
The solution above has brought me to another idea. why not have departments in crew. sorta like a government, this gives the crew more responsibility other than approving applications. a clean slate of the crew would probably be needed, though if a crew member is worthy of their position, it won't be long until they get it back. departments would include the HR Department mentioned earlier, as well as.....
- Applications Department: basically, these do the app checking
- Enforcement Department: enforcing guild rules, basically
- Public Information Department: the guild wants to know what the crew is up to. this will allow us to gain a bit of information
and others. these aren't really good ones i thought of, but you get the general point. let the guild decide who should be in the crew, eh? keeps everyone happy, improves efficiency, and makes me look like a freaking genius (good publicity for moi)
New Members
i feel like i need to bring this up. a sure way to improve relations between the guild is actually getting to know each other. not to be mean or harsh or anything, but there are certain members who are just intimidating. to be more specific, Greg, Luo, and Hinote. now, this is not an attack, and while i don't know either of you three very well, i have seen you guys been a bit.....piss your pants style. and again, while i do not know you guys very well, i have seen you joke around, be nice, and act friendly. try doing that in this guild, eh? instead of bashing someone for posting OOC in a forum, inform them politely that its not allowed. if someone is asking for help on creating a new character, don't just automatically turn them to the New Members Forum. get them involved, talk to them, make them happy (trust me, i'm a psychologist.....well, not really. i just read a book about this stuff)
and, even though its not that major, there are some cliques in this guild. again, not alot, but a few. merely saying "hi" to a new member is not really starting a conversation with them. again, there are some genuine kind members in this guild, but for the few that aren't, try at least to "fake it"
(Side Note: for those who i have mentioned, i did not mean to offend you in any way. just my opinion, i could be wrong. please don't go all hulk smash on me)
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