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Pandumb


Lonely Scamp

PostPosted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 9:24 pm


All I'm saying is take the discussions to OOC and PMs. The help desk should be more of a direct thing between judges and participants, since...we're the ones who judge the tournament. ._.

Discussing it amongst yourselves isnt bad though. In fact, discussing problems between yourself and your opponent to get them sorted out is pretty much what you're supposed to do -before- you settle for judge help. That way things flow easier since everyone's getting along.

Basically, if you're at a point in your fight where you really have a problem with what's going on in the last few posts and you really don't want to or seriously can't roll with it, we come in and give the Word of God on it.
PostPosted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 9:25 pm


bump

The Vansin

Genius


o ReaverQueen o

Phantom

PostPosted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 9:27 pm


His thing is "I'm running so fast that its hard to get an accurate bead on me" and her thing is "I throw a blade of energy at his legs".

So her energy is going for his legs, but the way he's running makes it hard to be completely accurate. It could, as you said, maybe strike him in the neck or something and kill him. That would just be supernaturally bad luck for him, and the Judges would need to decide whether or not she was DQ'd.

He's already conceded the argument, he's going to change his post if the Judges feel your concern is worthy. The question I'd ask you as a roleplayer and fellow competitor before you petition such involvement is,

Do you really want to end the fight prematurely by throwing a blade of energy at him while he's running, or do you want to continue the fight in good spirit and accept the damage he's taken?

I'm not trying to make you seem as though you're not a good sport, but we all know that if that attack succeeds in the way that its designed... it's going to take out his legs or worse. It's a very powerful ability to be using on someone, especially when there's a chance of missing or something like that.

---

But I'm Judging too. Didn't you get the memo from Vintrict before he left for work? He gave me emergency chancellor powers in light of the increased conflicts OOC among competitors. ( Mino and Hael )

Think of me like Staff ( Lite )
PostPosted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 9:27 pm


Note:

Vansin, you do not bump the judge thread.

Bad judge.

Bad.

*Sprays with water bottle.*

Fiend The Bunny

Fluffy Codger


Dear Princess Molestia

PostPosted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 9:30 pm


Old Man KB
His thing is "I'm running so fast that its hard to get an accurate bead on me" and her thing is "I throw a blade of energy at his legs".

So her energy is going for his legs, but the way he's running makes it hard to be completely accurate. It could, as you said, maybe strike him in the neck or something and kill him. That would just be supernaturally bad luck for him, and the Judges would need to decide whether or not she was DQ'd.

He's already conceded the argument, he's going to change his post if the Judges feel your concern is worthy. The question I'd ask you as a roleplayer and fellow competitor before you petition such involvement is,

Do you really want to end the fight prematurely by throwing a blade of energy at him while he's running, or do you want to continue the fight in good spirit and accept the damage he's taken?

I'm not trying to make you seem as though you're not a good sport, but we all know that if that attack succeeds in the way that its designed... it's going to take out his legs or worse. It's a very powerful ability to be using on someone, especially when there's a chance of missing or something like that.

---

But I'm Judging too. Didn't you get the memo from Vintrict before he left for work? He gave me emergency chancellor powers in light of the increased conflicts OOC among competitors. ( Mino and Hael )

Think of me like Staff ( Lite )


Responding in the OOC thread =P
PostPosted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 9:32 pm


The Fiend of the West
Note:

Vansin, you do not bump the judge thread.

Bad judge.

Bad.

*Sprays with water bottle.*

The Vansin

Genius



Pandumb


Lonely Scamp

PostPosted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 10:13 pm


I'll also add this to my judgement on James v. Cyrus, since I pointed it out to Fier.

You guys both need to stop dodging -everything- your opponent throws at you. I wanted to wait and see who broke that first but I don't think that'd be fair since I just told it to Fierach. I can understand not wanting to take hits when you find faults in the logic, but when the whole fight is just you guys trying to get the "first attack" bonus, its just not that fun to watch.

With that in mind, I do need to point out that there is a problem with your character, Acropilis. In your post where you use that lightning javelin, you state that it is 30,000 degress Celsius and millions of joules, which would mean even more of that in volts. This is a no-can-do.

I realize how powerful natural lightning is, but you did not state those numbers OR that it worked like natural lightning anywhere in that attack description in your profile. You simply stated it was pure energy, which pretty much means its made of energy. I don't know who approve the profile (I'm guessing it was Vin), but for you to think it'd work like a lightsaber in this tournament would leave you sadly mistaken.

I would say Deitric is pretty much a benchmark in terms of proper RP lightning use. In that regard I can understand why James would dodge that attack the way you described it, since you were basically trying to one-hit-ko him. You even state how it'd kill him, which would actually net you a nice DQ if that went through. :/

If anything, I do feel Fier should have been grazed by the attack, but a single graze wouldnt end the fight (it would, however, weaken his advance at least). Just because profiles are vague doesn't mean there are loopholes to exploit. We catch them as they're used.

Anyhow, that's all I'm saying about that. Keep fighting, and for god's sake, just try to have fun with each other. :/
PostPosted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 10:26 pm


Wait, wait wait....not done yet...*has other things to address, though he should be saving this for the judgement part* (this is what I hate about calling attention to an entire fight rather than a single issue).

The fight should have stopped twice before. One was when Cyrus' right cross missed Fier's head, while the other was when Cyrus turned his punch into a grab and knee. I shall explain...

In the first part where Cyrus dodges Fier's uppercut and goes in with a cross, Fier apparently avoids it because his head is lowered. But his head is lowered simply because he was ducking down from the charge. That means Cyrus would have to aim low to hit in the first place, and James cant duck any lower if he's already ducked down. And if he came up from the uppercut, his momentum is already going upward so he wouldnt be able to duck regardless. So the fist passing over his head never should of happened.

It especially shouldnt have happened because when the fist passes over the head, Cyrus tries to turn it into a grab. This also doesn't work in the given time frame. Fier is right in that James' punch would indeed come in before that given their distance, since Cyrus would have to reach down and grab the ear after the force of his punch had settled. Furthermore, if Fier is still barreling forward, the punch would have passed -behind- the head and James would have kept moving, not only keeping him from getting his head grabbed, but also requiring him to turn his body in order to drive in the left straight, which would actually make both attacks moot.

And even if you didn't make it moot, would it really be that hard to use your free left hand to parry/deal with the oncoming left straight? The grab wasn't a good idea, as it ignored Fier's next attack and let to Fier's next post simply stating that the fist WOULD hit because of how fast it was, which I'm sorry to say is pretty much a No-U.

I have half a mind to delete your posts up until the the first part where things got wonky and have you guys redo it.


Pandumb


Lonely Scamp


Fiend The Bunny

Fluffy Codger

PostPosted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 10:40 pm


Vansin is so dreamy redface

Oh, gosh. I must have took a wrong turn somewhere, this isn't the OOC! And Panda nicely asked us all to keep the OOC out of here, so fighters can easily maneuver through judge calls.

Silly me. I shouldn't be posting here.
PostPosted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 11:16 pm


Lollipop Fiend
Could I have a judge take a look at my fight?

Pretty much this is in regards to my opponent's reaction to my last attack. When I contacted him instead of wanting to work it out he just said go get a ruling on it. -_-

Pretty much he asked if divine intervention was allowed to help him avoid the attack earlier, and when told no, he decided to simply go for the whole "dumb luck" angle.

Anyway, so my character throws an energy blade at his thighs as he begins to dash at her.

His argument is that the way he is running puts the center of gravity so low that his wrist guard deflected the entire energy blade. Quite frankly, I don't know what the ******** he actually did.

He did provide me of a video to represent how his character was running, but in the video the arms are flapping like tassels in the wind and I don't really see how the position would give him some kind of favorable advantage against being cut. If anything, I'd imagine squatting or something would just be suicide.

So yeah, I'm wondering if he's trying to duck walk at 20 mph or if he's on a slip and slide, dragging his face on the ground, or whatever and how exactly is this helping him at all.

Just for clarification, he already established that his ki field can not deflect other energy attacks and provides minimal, 1%, damage reduction.


Okay. So.

He's running like they do in Naruto, all bent over and stupidly. It looks silly, it's about as impractical as any posture that is designed to meet incoming objects head-first, and it's perfectly reasonable, because he's playing a character inspired by the series.

On the other hand, we've got an invisible blade of energy that can practically slice him in half. That's mighty intimidatin'.

My question to you, Lolli, is what the hell else do you expect him to do? And would you really do much else?

Yes. Having him swing his arms forward does make him look like he's trying to figure skate, and totally goes against the whole "arms flailing backwards" thing. I think it's a DUMB way to defend. And if you're going to be silly enough to use dumb luck as a defense, at least don't be so...blatant about it.

But, that he's forced to use such a thing really is more of a reflection on your power, Lollipop, than it is on his cheaty ways. In this tournament we've been finding most of our problems are springing up from bad profile oversight. It's partially my fault, really, for not being more of a stickler, and not judging more profiles, and I'll be the first to admit it.

Because I would NEVER have allowed you to use invisible blades of energy. And even though I know full well that, by rights, Genetics should be losing limbs for running headfirst at your attack, I'm going to penalize an ability I see as, really, pretty unsportsmanlike. Why? Because it should have been done long before this fight ever started.

And I must say I'm sorry to you, Lolli, because it really isn't very fair to you to have your ability, that someone told you was okay, now messed with by some upstart judge mid-fight because he doesn't like it. But I'm not about fair tonight. I'm about right.

Like my secret admirer Fiend said, stop playing to win so hard and have some fun. Control of the fight, which you are graded on, isn't, contrary to popular opinion, butchering the other guy really quickly. It's about keeping him on the defensive.

You create this lovely wall of whipping power, and he says he's going to just charge through it? Whip his a**, and if he complains, send it to me. He'll return to that fight with a "Well, that's what you ******** get for charging into a defended position, moron". But you chose to overkill, and ignored the good strategy you had. Instead of re-establishing your comfort zone and expanding with whip maneuvers or something, you established a comfort zone and then ignored it for that cool attack that people can't do much about.

In short, you played to win, instead of making the fight a better one for everyone involved. Shame on you.

HOWEVER.

Genetics is a dope and his defense made no goddamn sense.

So if he's going to block it with his hand, he's also taking some of the blow to his body, and he better get all SORTS of ******** up by it. Show me blood.

But you can keep your limbs, Genetics, and you have your opponents mistake to thank for that.

The Vansin

Genius


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 11:46 pm


I'm so glad I took the night off. cool
PostPosted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 11:48 pm


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 12:07 am


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 1:08 am


Btw I never got to input this- But the 'dumb luck save' was not a direct defensive measure. Granted on my part that was quite a hoop to jump; it's not fair to say I'm stupid, or dumb because of the route I chose. =/ In fact that's just down right rude.

Anywho- here's all the info I woulda presented had I been here to do so when asked before a sudden and random ruling was given with no input what so ever.[I do have a real life though I know it's hard to imagine from your end, and yes I did have some things to do that I only got back from nigh half an hour ago.]

While yes- the arms flailing backwards is how narutards do it- I didn't say that to her. I tried explaining to her that his arms move normally, he just uses those short bursting steps to run with a low center of gravity. Similar to how they run; or similar to their 'form' used when running[from the waist down alone]- As appose to taking full strides when running as say an athlete might.

What this does- which I'm glad you didn't just dismiss with cold ignorant biased natutard-based-hatred opinion btw~ D=<

-It creates a bobbing movement with the stifled steps, meaning that appose to throwing the leg out front for a full [or any] extension; the leg is only brought up to the position under the body, or at most to the point of having a bent knee and barely any footing inches past the threshold of your own torso's placement. Yes; you can run like this. And yes; you can run quickly like this with practice and good cardio. ultimately though; This makes it hard to discern if the person moving [if moving fast enough] is going to stay on that course because of how wild it looks in actuality. It's a 'fake out' tactic that couples as an efficient way to move quickly and still have a low center of gravity, which means more control if you know how to manipulate momentum. [like say; a ninja]

-It makes the bodies total mass smaller while staying in constant rapid motion. This means that pin point targeting areas [such as let's just say the hips as to severe the legs off at the thigh-which really doesn't make sense as far as targeting is concerned. That's accurately more like a body halving kill shot if we were to get down into this.] is a significantly harder task then let's say striking a stationary object with full knowledge of where it's going to be when your whip meets it's placement.

Ok- So re-capping on this horrible argument that I'm very appalled at having to deal with-

My character Charges her for a jaw check+upper cut combo. He misses the upper cut [No real pause except halted motion mind you] and then Ki-charges nigh instantly as he's privy to doing; before rushing her a second time at even faster speeds then before.

Within this span of what? 5-10 seconds, somehow her character is managing the faculties to attack; shrug off heavy blows to the skull, and gain favorable placement within the exchange so much so that she can actually take two steps back [without getting combo gut checked by an advancing locked in and arguably focused/determined aggressor I might add] and then randomly fly back ten feet without any explanation or form, or ability given, or statement as to how or in what ******** world this makes sense?

=/

Ok- so I've been pretty well flayed at this point for no ******** reason other then people scoffing at my creativity in a tight situation. That's all I see here. Creativity. And if it's still ruled that he takes splash damage; so be it. I mean if you're really going to allow her to have that kinda broken s**t; even once- why the hell not. I like a challenge. Some blood'll make a good fight xD I wasn't trying to back out or win by default. My writing is still only going to be cocky because it makes a good read. An even better read when you're soaking in that 'epic loss' that's been built up so much. Cuh if it's been a good fight I will try to make it a juicy read even if the coolest thing I got in the end is a bloody loss. If my writing sucks I apologize? -shrug- But know that I won't change; cuh it's all relative to preference...

Over all-

I just wanted to have a good match since I didn't expect to make it to round two anyways and I've failed so hard all these past few years...

History does repeat itself though ladies and gentlemen. and I presume I'm still rather disliked by most, or at least considered first round fodder. but whatever.

I'll enter next year too. ;]

Evilgenetics


a simple simulacra

PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 5:53 am


On the topic of round one taking too long, I have just one question:

Where the ******** is my opponent?

Aaaaaand, that question comes with supplementary questions attached:

Saturday is the day he has to post something, correct? Or is that the day that he gets DQ'd for having not posted anything?

Also, if he gets DQ'd, do I face someone else or just advance without having done anything except sit around in the center of the arena drinking and smoking?

I'd prefer to fight someone, since getting to the second round after having done nothing (combat-related, that is) isn't very fun.

Also, also, if I do get a new opponent, we get some sort of time extension, right?
Not to imply that I'm slow, or anything, but I'd rather not try to condense an entire fight into half a day.

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