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 Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 1:09 pm
MegaTherion777 My Hollow Digital Malevolence My Hollow Lucky you too. Lucky everyone. I'm only 60% positive God exists. Better than most. quantify most. most americans believe god exists in some form or another. indeed, most of the world believes in a god or gods Yes but it's like Scandinavia. 80% of the people in each country belong to the church...ie church members but only 1% attend. They belong for "insureance purposes" as the guide put it.
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Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 3:26 pm
My Hollow MegaTherion777 My Hollow Digital Malevolence My Hollow Lucky you too. Lucky everyone. I'm only 60% positive God exists. Better than most. quantify most. most americans believe god exists in some form or another. indeed, most of the world believes in a god or gods Yes but it's like Scandinavia. 80% of the people in each country belong to the church...ie church members but only 1% attend. They belong for "insureance purposes" as the guide put it. but i'm not talking about who belongs to a church, i'm referring to studies of whether people believe in a supernatural entity or entities (the theist god, the deist god, allah, shiva, odin, whatever) that show that the majority of world citizens believe. so to say that digi's being 60% sure is better than most is misleading. it might be better than many, but i dont thing it's better than most. also, one need not attend church to be a believer. if there is a god, i'm sure he'd be perfectly satisfied with thomas jefferson's statement that his church is in his mind - i.e. the glory of god can be seen everywhere, and one need not visit church to have religious experiences. now if those scandinavians belong to churches ONLY for the sake of insurance, that's just stupid. pascal's wager is logically flawed, and god (if he exists) would be smart enough to know if you didnt truly believe but were only saying you did in order to get ahead, in this life or the next. idk how pascal, a smart guy, could've thought his wager was a good one, but it is severely flawed and can't be relied upon. and those scandinavians seem to be relying upon it.
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Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 4:15 pm
Church membership/attendance =/= rate of belief in a god. As Mega said, you can believe in some form of divinity and not go to church, or participate in any sort of organzied rites, for that matter. The percentage of people in the United States that believe in some sort of god, Christian or otherwise, is over 90.00 *snicker* I'm clever.
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Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 4:21 pm
ashlander_alpha Church membership/attendance =/= rate of belief in a god. As Mega said, you can believe in some form of divinity and not go to church, or participate in any sort of organzied rites, for that matter. The percentage of people in the United States that believe in some sort of god, Christian or otherwise, is over 90.00 *snicker* I'm clever.
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Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 10:31 am
Not many British people go to church but people still believe in God. I don't know a single person who goes to church apart from my grandparents, but they only go on Easter, etc.
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Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 5:22 pm
Celtic guardian91 Not many British people go to church but people still believe in God. I don't know a single person who goes to church apart from my grandparents, but they only go on Easter, etc.
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Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 5:35 pm
ashlander_alpha Celtic guardian91 Not many British people go to church but people still believe in God. I don't know a single person who goes to church apart from my grandparents, but they only go on Easter, etc. I wonder why that is confused
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Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 6:18 pm
Celtic guardian91 ashlander_alpha Celtic guardian91 Not many British people go to church but people still believe in God. I don't know a single person who goes to church apart from my grandparents, but they only go on Easter, etc. I wonder why that is confused because europe is where deism originated and first gained major popularity?
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Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 7:22 pm
MegaTherion777 Celtic guardian91 ashlander_alpha Celtic guardian91 Not many British people go to church but people still believe in God. I don't know a single person who goes to church apart from my grandparents, but they only go on Easter, etc. I wonder why that is confused because europe is where deism originated and first gained major popularity? Really?
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Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 7:24 pm
Battousai Akuma MegaTherion777 Celtic guardian91 ashlander_alpha Celtic guardian91 Not many British people go to church but people still believe in God. I don't know a single person who goes to church apart from my grandparents, but they only go on Easter, etc. I wonder why that is confused because europe is where deism originated and first gained major popularity? Really? idk if that's the reason, but yes, europe is where deism originated and became popular
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Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 1:45 am
ashlander_alpha Celtic guardian91 Not many British people go to church but people still believe in God. I don't know a single person who goes to church apart from my grandparents, but they only go on Easter, etc. You obviously have never been to Poland talk2hand
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Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 2:19 am
kacisko ashlander_alpha Celtic guardian91 Not many British people go to church but people still believe in God. I don't know a single person who goes to church apart from my grandparents, but they only go on Easter, etc. You obviously have never been to Poland talk2hand thats why he said "in general" talk2hand
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Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 2:33 am
MegaTherion777 kacisko ashlander_alpha Celtic guardian91 Not many British people go to church but people still believe in God. I don't know a single person who goes to church apart from my grandparents, but they only go on Easter, etc. You obviously have never been to Poland talk2hand thats why he said "in general" talk2hand Poland makes up for the whole rest. Plus you forget Spain and Italy ARE in Europe too. talk2hand
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Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 6:46 am
MegaTherion777 Celtic guardian91 ashlander_alpha Celtic guardian91 Not many British people go to church but people still believe in God. I don't know a single person who goes to church apart from my grandparents, but they only go on Easter, etc. I wonder why that is confused because europe is where deism originated and first gained major popularity? What's deism?
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Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 9:40 am
Celtic guardian91 MegaTherion777 Celtic guardian91 ashlander_alpha Celtic guardian91 Not many British people go to church but people still believe in God. I don't know a single person who goes to church apart from my grandparents, but they only go on Easter, etc. I wonder why that is confused because europe is where deism originated and first gained major popularity? What's deism? Deism is the theistic belief that a supreme God exists and created the physical universe, but shall not intervene in its normal operation. It is related to a religious philosophy and movement that claims to derive the existence and nature of God from reason. It takes no position on what God may do outside the universe. That is in contrast to fideism which is found in many forms of Christianity[1], Islamic and Judaic teachings, which hold that religion relies on revelation in sacred scriptures or the testimony of other people as well as reasoning. Deists typically reject most supernatural events (prophecy, miracles) and tend to assert that God does not intervene with the affairs of human life and the natural laws of the universe. What organized religions see as divine revelation and holy books, most deists see as interpretations made by other humans, rather than as authoritative sources. Deists believe that God's greatest gift to humanity is not religion, but the ability to reason. Deism became prominent in the 17th and 18th centuries during the Age of Enlightenment, especially in the United Kingdom, France and the United States, mostly among those raised as Christians who found they could not believe in either a triune God, the divinity of Jesus, miracles, or the inerrancy of scriptures, but who did believe in one god. Initially it did not form any congregations, but in time deism led to the development of other religious groups, such as Unitarianism, which later developed into Unitarian Universalism. It continues to this day in the form of classical deism and modern deism. see wikipedia for moar info
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