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JonBunny

PostPosted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 12:55 pm


Just as a random note, while it's not truly known yet, Japanese is debated to be a member of the Altaic language family, and possibly related to Korean. 3nodding

I have a slight trouble -- I had no problem learning hiragana, but katakana is giving me trouble with memorization, which is especially bad because I need to know this to help me understand kanji. Does anyone have any suggestions?

I'm not sure if it's the writing system itself giving me trouble, or if my brain just doesn't want to hold anything else x.x;
PostPosted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 1:02 pm


Oddly enough, I learned katakana before hiragana eek dunno why... and, I had trouble with hiragana sweatdrop

My suggestion would be to write out the katakana as many times as it takes for you to able to recall it all backwards in your sleep. Not fun, I know, but memorisation really is the only way to get it into head sad

Proudly_Jewish
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Sluvotsky
Crew

PostPosted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 2:47 pm


I used to write sentences containing the katakana/hiragana that i wanted to learn (It practices that and using hte language in general.)

Well actually no, that's a lie.

Because I rarely studied written Japanese. But that's what I WOULD do.
PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 3:45 am


I have a slight trouble -- I had no problem learning hiragana, but katakana is giving me trouble with memorization, which is especially bad because I need to know this to help me understand kanji.

I agree-I memorized the hiragana characters very quickly, but for some reason I CANNOT remember the katakana characters, and the kanji is giving me trouble too.

Rioto_Kish


Kaji01

PostPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2006 12:00 am


大変な問題だな、ありゃ。片仮名は少し難しいけど、もっと練習すれば簡単に成る。これは日本語が出来ない人に無駄だそうだけど、俺はもう日本語を使いたいよ。さぁ、今から英語を使った方はいいと思うな・・・

Some teachers teach Katakana before Hiragana because they figure that it'll be more practical - All foreign words are supposed to be written in it, and about 80% of import words these days come from English.

As for memorization ideas, I taught myself how to read kana very quickly by taking the old Ranma 1/2 RPG for Super Famicom (on an emulator) and basically transcribing the script as I played through it, and then romanized it as best as I could from there. The first few characters you'll be continually looking back at the chart, but as you see them come up repeatedly you'll start remembering them. Kanji might be a bit more difficult through that method, but you don't have to do them right away. If you work from a volume of manga, chances are there's furigana to help you with the readings, though.

As for learning Kanji, once again it boils down to reading practice. The more you read, the more you learn. Also, taking the time to sit down and learn to use a proper kanji dictionary will work wonders for your ability.

Kanji are to Japanese what Latin roots are to French. They convey concepts that are used to form words, and are consistent in appearence and pronunciation. They are also broken down into a set of standard elements, known as radicals, from which the characters are constructed. If you learn the radicals, writing them becomes much easier due to the fact that you're not memorizing how to write the character, but merely which elements are in the character and their places.

A bit of a long read, but I hope it helps people out!

Also, a really neat tool for helping people learn vocabulary can be found here: http://language.tiu.ac.jp/tools.html

Basically, you paste a passage of Japanese into the first box, then you click the second button. A new window will open up with the passage in a box on the left, and explanations of/definitionos for all of the words on the right. Clicking on a word takes you straight to its definition. It also reduces verbs to their original conjugation, and gives the readings for kanji! So now those of us who want to use kanji can do so without worrying about people being able to read it, and those who can't read kanji can get a hand in reading what the rest of us are saying! 最高だぜ!
PostPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2006 6:26 pm


sou ne.. atashi wa Nihongo o benkyou shite, sukoshi muzukashii. keredo, jishou o tsukaimasu. Daremo nihongo ga dekimasu ka?
I am learning japanese and a little, good, i'd like to help anybody and would enjoy some one to help me further my knowledge. My main language is englis, but im horrible at spelling rofl

Momji


Ulterior_Motives

PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 11:08 am


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 22, 2006 5:59 pm


I've been learning hiragana for about 2 months now & I basically know all hiragana characters except for some. I'm learning katakana, so far i only know vowels, ka-ko, sa-so .. >_<

it's easy for me to memorize all the characters it just took time for me to know them by heart.

i'm having problems with the language as in how to speak it.. >_< i have no one teaching me.. so basically its just me & the internet.. =/

Nyuujou-Miruka


The MoUsY spell-checker

PostPosted: Sun Jan 22, 2006 10:04 pm


Nyuujou-Miruka
i'm having problems with the language as in how to speak it.. >_< i have no one teaching me.. so basically its just me & the internet.. =/


Me too...

I think katakana is easier to read, but that's probably because I played a lot of video games before.
PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2006 12:43 pm


オイ!みんなさんは大丈夫ですか。
あなたがたはよく外国語でタイプしたら、MACは買ったらどうですか。私はG5があって、八十五つぐらい外国語がある。そして、日本語でタイプするのはかんたん過ぎるぜ。でも、私は話すの方が書くのより上手です。あまり漢字が知らないから。。。
for those of you who either can't see the above or dont read Japanese...
Oi! How's everybody doing?
If you guys type in Foreign languages a lot, why don't you buy a Mac. I have a G5 and it has something like 85 languages built into it. So, its really easy for me to type in Japanese. Too bad my spoken is better than my written. I don't know that much kanji....

DarkVice


Dreadful

PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2006 3:02 pm


There is an easier way of learning Japanese verbs, because they use bases. Bases are basically the columns of vowels that in which Japan uses for stems.

For example, Yomu is actually known as the "dictionary form" of "read" (I wonder why. rolleyes ) and is the third of the bases (a, i, u, e, o)

Yoma(nai) - Do not read (Negative Base)
Yomi(masu) - Read (Conjunctive Base)
Yomu - Read (Dictionary Base)
Yome - Read! (Male Speech Imperative Base)
Yomoo - will read (Volitional Base)

This only works for regular I bases though. sweatdrop
PostPosted: Sun Jan 29, 2006 8:37 am



Proudly_Jewish
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Proudly_Jewish
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 29, 2006 10:34 am


PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 6:07 pm


This new computer I am using does not display Asian Characters, so if you guys want to talk Japanese (with me) can you use roomaji?

Soshite, rainen nihon o iku tsumori da. watashi ga gakkou ni ryuugaku suru ka doo ka. tomodachi o mitara. demo nihon o itte shi, chuugoku o itte shi, dekitara ka shimashou yo. ^_^

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oni123

PostPosted: Sat Feb 11, 2006 9:26 am


I'm taking JApanese in school. My teacher is really hard to understand because English is her second language.
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