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 Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 6:15 pm
Sakyh l -Xera- l The Dark Also Two-Face in the next movie should be facing off Scarface in a mob war. Since Two-Face was never actually presumed to be dead. They thought he was dead. They didn't say "He's DEAD!" The casket could of been Rachel. Thank you! Stop saying Two-face died in the movie! they never said he friggen died! The Harvey Dent funeral was to shield the public from what he had become! For gosh sakes they never said he died.
Even in death, the crimes he committed and the monster he became STILL needed to be covered up.
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Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 6:18 pm
Priest_of_Syrinx Batman had a longer fall earlier that he survived from, so considering the possibility of taking many falls, Batman would be able to survive, but Harvey Dent would not.
Also add into the fact Dent's body was in shitty condition. He left the hospital early, was in a weakened state, didn't take medication, and was in a car accident. During the fall, his body was probably like "******** This.".
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Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 6:37 pm
Ace Paladin Sakyh l -Xera- l The Dark Also Two-Face in the next movie should be facing off Scarface in a mob war. Since Two-Face was never actually presumed to be dead. They thought he was dead. They didn't say "He's DEAD!" The casket could of been Rachel. Thank you! Stop saying Two-face died in the movie! they never said he friggen died! The Harvey Dent funeral was to shield the public from what he had become! For gosh sakes they never said he died.
Even in death, the crimes he committed and the monster he became STILL needed to be covered up.More importantly, it is very hard to cover up crimes of a homicidal maniac if said homicidal maniac is still alive. What would be to stop him from taking credit publicly? Also, a survival would only suggest that things will get better for Batman on the road to a peachy happy ending. Unfortunately, only America is obsessed with happy endings, as they don't make sense and really very rare. Aside from that, there is often more to learn and appreciate in tragedy. @Sakyh: I know Arvis said that there was nothing, but I wanted check for myself, and it was partially to show the lack of evidence for a Two-Face survival.
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Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 9:54 pm
Ace Paladin Priest_of_Syrinx Batman had a longer fall earlier that he survived from, so considering the possibility of taking many falls, Batman would be able to survive, but Harvey Dent would not.
Also add into the fact Dent's body was in shitty condition. He left the hospital early, was in a weakened state, didn't take medication, and was in a car accident. During the fall, his body was probably like "******** This.".Lol, yeah. His leg and neck were in bad positions.
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Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 7:17 am
Priest_of_Syrinx @Sakyh: I know Arvis said that there was nothing, but I wanted check for myself, and it was partially to show the lack of evidence for a Two-Face survival. Lol, I figured. Just couldn't resist. mrgreen
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Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 1:32 pm
Nter Ace Paladin Priest_of_Syrinx Batman had a longer fall earlier that he survived from, so considering the possibility of taking many falls, Batman would be able to survive, but Harvey Dent would not.
Also add into the fact Dent's body was in shitty condition. He left the hospital early, was in a weakened state, didn't take medication, and was in a car accident. During the fall, his body was probably like "******** This.".Lol, yeah. His leg and neck were in bad positions. Well Batman also had some protection on. Harvy was not.
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Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 2:12 pm
Ace Paladin Priest_of_Syrinx Batman had a longer fall earlier that he survived from, so considering the possibility of taking many falls, Batman would be able to survive, but Harvey Dent would not.
Also add into the fact Dent's body was in shitty condition. He left the hospital early, was in a weakened state, didn't take medication, and was in a car accident. During the fall, his body was probably like "******** This.".Him living would cause many plot holes to form.
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Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 10:14 am
-The Gray Legend- Priest_of_Syrinx -The Gray Legend- Wow...that movie scores with me a whopping "Meh"! I know I'm gonna get hate for this, but the first half was boring and convoluded, and Two-Face seemed to have a "Venom Factor" to him, meaning he was a character who was brought in at the middle to end of the movie who had all the potential to be a major villain and better developed in the next movie, but instead just draws out the movie longer than it needs to be and is killed off, unfortunately. Similar to Venom in Spider Man 3. Also, what IS it with writers putting in two or three villains in one movie? It just gets complicated. I did like Joker's character, but the problem with him is that he never really did anything Joker-ish. He did a lot of things that really just makes him a thug wearing face paint. The Joker is SO much smarter and so much more sinister than to just make people choose if they want to blow other people up. Plus there was no real final battle between Joker and Batman, which it seemed like the trailers were playing up to. But since Joker's not dead, perhaps they're saving it for the next movie. One last thing: why is it that I can never tell what Batman is saying? Christian Bale works as Bruce, but when he speaks as Batman, it's impossible to hear what he's saying because his affected voice is really, really...terrible. I'm sure that conversation at the end between Gordon and Batman was super important, but I had no idea what he was saying and therefore didn't know what the conversation was about. Yes, I'm nitpicking, and yes, it's probably just sheer disappointment from how built up it was from advertisement and hype, as well as how awesome Batman Begins was, but...definitely not happy with it. Seeing it again Tuesday though (I didn't arrange it, my mom did), maybe some things I missed I can catch the second time. Legends... First off, you can't base everything off of a comic book or cartoon. The thing I liked about Spider-Man and X-Men was that they were creations of their own, capable of exploring well-known characters while putting a modern/unique flair on them. These Batman movies are meant to be A) very realistic and B) VERY dark. This is why the Joker worked so well, he was exactly what a darker Batman's villain should be. Two-Face only appeared to present the final conflict for Batman, where he had to carry the burden of hatred from the people he was there to save. Two-Face was merely an extension of Harvey Dent, made to represent hope and good, but tainted by the Joker's actions. Anyways...while Sakyh has a good point, I find it hard to believe that Commissioner Gordon would have the power to hide Two Face if he were alive. They'll have to pull something very interesting in order to bring him back. Besides, I think that the only villain intended to return is the Joker, being Batman's greatest enemy. Lastly, you are entitled to having your own opinion, but don't hate anything for trivial reasons/misconception. I don't understand why I can't base it off comic books, are we all forgetting that's where the Joker was created? That's who it should be based on. The Joker from the comics was very dark as well, he was trying to kill the entire Gotham City through germ warfare, and would sometimes brutally kill people close to Batman (Tim Drake anyone?). They can make him dark while sticking to the books. I don't see them as misconceptions, they're simply my views and opinions, which everyone's entitled to. While I strongly disagree with ur opinions Im not going to bash any of them however This I do have to put out there is that it would be a mistake to judge Batman begins and the dark knight by comic book standards these are not comic book movies the past batman movies are comic book movies because thats how the characters are cast in cartoony and shallow roles the new batman movies meaning these last two are a ground in reality making them both vastley incredible and aweinspiring some people just get tired of all the cartoonyness and these movies ground batman in reality for a new generation of people who enjoy this new way of looking at batman rather then the old cartoon way which is rather passey and lacking in true substance or story by all means keep ur opinions and critics but don't base ur arguments of the comic book argument because it is a bad argument to make and it will most likely get hammered into oblivion
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Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 11:28 am
THE_JOKER_414 -The Gray Legend- Priest_of_Syrinx -The Gray Legend- Wow...that movie scores with me a whopping "Meh"! I know I'm gonna get hate for this, but the first half was boring and convoluded, and Two-Face seemed to have a "Venom Factor" to him, meaning he was a character who was brought in at the middle to end of the movie who had all the potential to be a major villain and better developed in the next movie, but instead just draws out the movie longer than it needs to be and is killed off, unfortunately. Similar to Venom in Spider Man 3. Also, what IS it with writers putting in two or three villains in one movie? It just gets complicated. I did like Joker's character, but the problem with him is that he never really did anything Joker-ish. He did a lot of things that really just makes him a thug wearing face paint. The Joker is SO much smarter and so much more sinister than to just make people choose if they want to blow other people up. Plus there was no real final battle between Joker and Batman, which it seemed like the trailers were playing up to. But since Joker's not dead, perhaps they're saving it for the next movie. One last thing: why is it that I can never tell what Batman is saying? Christian Bale works as Bruce, but when he speaks as Batman, it's impossible to hear what he's saying because his affected voice is really, really...terrible. I'm sure that conversation at the end between Gordon and Batman was super important, but I had no idea what he was saying and therefore didn't know what the conversation was about. Yes, I'm nitpicking, and yes, it's probably just sheer disappointment from how built up it was from advertisement and hype, as well as how awesome Batman Begins was, but...definitely not happy with it. Seeing it again Tuesday though (I didn't arrange it, my mom did), maybe some things I missed I can catch the second time. Legends... First off, you can't base everything off of a comic book or cartoon. The thing I liked about Spider-Man and X-Men was that they were creations of their own, capable of exploring well-known characters while putting a modern/unique flair on them. These Batman movies are meant to be A) very realistic and B) VERY dark. This is why the Joker worked so well, he was exactly what a darker Batman's villain should be. Two-Face only appeared to present the final conflict for Batman, where he had to carry the burden of hatred from the people he was there to save. Two-Face was merely an extension of Harvey Dent, made to represent hope and good, but tainted by the Joker's actions. Anyways...while Sakyh has a good point, I find it hard to believe that Commissioner Gordon would have the power to hide Two Face if he were alive. They'll have to pull something very interesting in order to bring him back. Besides, I think that the only villain intended to return is the Joker, being Batman's greatest enemy. Lastly, you are entitled to having your own opinion, but don't hate anything for trivial reasons/misconception. I don't understand why I can't base it off comic books, are we all forgetting that's where the Joker was created? That's who it should be based on. The Joker from the comics was very dark as well, he was trying to kill the entire Gotham City through germ warfare, and would sometimes brutally kill people close to Batman (Tim Drake anyone?). They can make him dark while sticking to the books. I don't see them as misconceptions, they're simply my views and opinions, which everyone's entitled to. While I strongly disagree with ur opinions Im not going to bash any of them however This I do have to put out there is that it would be a mistake to judge Batman begins and the dark knight by comic book standards these are not comic book movies the past batman movies are comic book movies because thats how the characters are cast in cartoony and shallow roles the new batman movies meaning these last two are a ground in reality making them both vastley incredible and aweinspiring some people just get tired of all the cartoonyness and these movies ground batman in reality for a new generation of people who enjoy this new way of looking at batman rather then the old cartoon way which is rather passey and lacking in true substance or story by all means keep ur opinions and critics but don't base ur arguments of the comic book argument because it is a bad argument to make and it will most likely get hammered into oblivion Here's a thought... Comic book =/= movie. A movie is animate (not animated), and on a timer. When comic books are made into movies, it is the responsibility of producers and directors to make them shine, and that might mean cutting some things, adding others, or maybe even changing things a little, all being dependent on the desired result. The newest Batman movies are meant to be realistic, so the villains have to have realistic roots, and Batman has to find practicality in his toys. These movies do a great job of that. Then again, I will admit that I really don't follow comic books.
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Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 9:19 am
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Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 10:53 am
I saw that awhile ago. It was pretty good. It makes me want to make one of those things.... with you as the star!
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