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 Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 10:40 am
Bundle of Ideas/Stuff
I forgot everything else, so that's it.
I was thinking about the Common Rooms (Towns) and also
the stuff Alutian did in Fright Week. Just throwing this out there for now because it's so early, but how about we have a Scavenger Hunt for Easter as our event?
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Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 3:54 pm
Professor_Adonis Another Heads Up/Request
After just visiting the Tomb I noticed some u/c threads and stuff (most for next term) and I agree that subforum can do with some cleanup. I think that Juni/ANgil/Alutian are working on improving the Around Hogwarts subforum (hopefully nothing too clustered) so can Love Tantei and I clean up the Tomb?? Absolutely no threads will be deleted...just moved and organized more with dates ands stuff I think.
@Angil: I'm not sure what to do in terms of combining the Halloween 07 threads together, so could you do that? Or is it just the mods (Love/Juni/ALutian) posting general information about what they did and deleting the threads?
(iceewitch wuz here blaugh )
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Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 9:57 am
A recent conversation made me post this. Now with this said I think that our primary focus (other than recruiting) should be getting older members involved again. The Students seem to have lost their luster. Membership (House wise) inactivity is something we'll be working on ASAP. I think when the guild first started off, no one expected that the House Elf population be the most active in the guild. Students are supposed to be. If House-elves play Quidditch what incentitives would they have to become students?? Some of the recently sorted houseelves have already asked me if they could go back to being an elf... and those who haven't have disappeared even though they were really active house-elves. See the dilemna? The guild has to rectify that ASAP, and I'm hoping next term we can do that.
I am deadset against house-elves playing because it will defer all the riches of being a student. They can watch, but not play. It may seem like a good idea now, but in the longterm it can definitely cause some issues with sortings and stuff. The student population is already down, and the activity is even worse. No offense to anyone here because the Heads of Houses are virtually the only active members in the House, with some exceptions. I really like your ideas Phil and I understand what you're thinking, but I hope there is another way to work around it. Besides if the House doesn't have enough eager members to work for points, it must mean they don't have enough pride and enjoyment for their House.
It's soo weird that you wrote that because I just got through typing some messages about it. (I'm posting this in the other thread as well.)
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Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 10:08 am
Also I think we need to re-(crap can't think of that word.. I don't think it's reinstate) Reinforce?? I think that it's it. reinforce the 3 month banning rules established by KT. I had planned on banning non active house-elves in December, but because of my schedule I'll be moving that back to January. That was only for house elves. With that I also think we need to do the students who haven't made a single post in months also. For the older members before we actually ban them (I don't think they should be excused unless it's a member who contributed a good deal to the guild like [shorty] and Pinkie who are immune to the banning process) we should send them a PM letting them know. It's not fair to the members who get banned for not enough posting if other members can get away with it. The lists we've been posting will help a great deal with this process. In a matter of a year house elves have become extremely active. I love being an Elf!
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Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 2:51 pm
Can I get some feedback on those last few posts pwease?
(also with the mass bannings, they can wait until March unless someone feels they need to be done before then)
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Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 7:49 pm
I agree with Icee on the inactiveness. I became a student only to find that there were like 5 active students in my house including me. It was kind of disheartening, Especially sitting and seeing points deducted from houses because students sign up and then never turn in a single assignment, thus losing more points than they would have gained through the classes anyway.
I've heard of a few people, from my house especially quit or go inactive because they got sorted into Slytherin, or a house they didn't want. I think that people should try to be their best for the house they are IN, no matter which house they wanted in originally. I never wanted to be in Slytherin, I wanted to be in Ravenclaw honestly, but I stuck it out and it turns out I LIKED Slytherin anyway. We really need to be loyal to whatever house we find ourselves in, no matter which house it is. There's nothing wrong with any of the houses. [/ranting] sweatdrop
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Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 11:06 pm
Perhaps we should work on a new and improved system for sorting students?
As it stands now, it seems like we read what they say and place them in the house they are apparently most suited... unless another house is dwindling in members, in which case someone can say they are smart, witty, nerdy and love school... ... and go to Slytherin.
Perhaps a longer, hidden-point based test would be more appropriate... you know, the kind where we give multiple choice questions, and each answer has a different, and hidden, team related to it. Some of the questions will be no brainers, but if you think up lots that require thought and are not totally related to a house team, maybe after 30 questions we can truly see where any given person belongs. Plus, it's fun to answer those hypothetical questions.
Perhaps also offer a chance at the end of the term or something for people to get resorted, for those that really don't feel they are in the right place?
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Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 11:22 pm
I agree with Phil that our sorting hat test needs a bit more questions to ...what's the word...uhm better sort the students. The previous test was actually a bit obvious in where one would end up House-wise, but sometimes you'd come to a dead end where the person could go either one house or the other then later realize that they belonged to the other house...@__@
In Gryffindor...there are 20 members that are listed and only 3 or 4 have dropped into the Common for the past month (usually its only me who posts if anyone is still alive). Its kind of upsetting to see the activity slowly die and its kind of hard to pick a Prefect for Gryffindor since there is not much to choose from. As I said somewhere, I did PM my housemates and the messages have been ignored or there has been no action since the notifications.
As for resorting, in my opinion, a person should stay where they were sorted to keep it like in the books...but I'm open to the topic of resorting.
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Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 9:27 am
Everyone here makes a strong valid point. For the most part everyone sees there's a problem.
Resorting is out of the question: You won't neccessairly get into the House you want (that's in the rules, and I don't think it should be changed)...and which Kaelyn demonstrated you're supposed to like it anyway and move on.
The Sorting Hat: Angil is making a new one, so I'm sure she'll be listening to your suggestions. However, she did see this problem a long time ago and it should be said that she was in the process of changing/rectifying it.
I don't think we should start over, but I do think we should start fresh. Bannings would be a huge wake-up call to members, and with those bannings we can actually promote the activity we want, and such. I feel that hte rule in place now (I can take the blame for that though, because the house elf list was so large I only made the bannings for elves) only applies to house-elves and that's not fair. Especially when they were once active as elves, but then as students they vanished like everyone else. (Which is another reason we should add incentitives to being a student. Everything shouldn't be opened to everyone)
The lists we made can tell us who ahs been posting and who has not.
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Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 9:30 am
Yes, the sorting should be a bit longer, but it also needs a few more short-answer questions.
The problem I've always had with multiple choice sorting quizes is that it is sometimes too obvious which answer will lead to which house. For example, you have the following hypothetical question:
example You are out one night, walking through the streets, when you hear a commotion in an alleyway. Two muggle teenagers are there, beating up some poor old muggle man. What do you do? A. I run in and start to hit and hex the teens at close range. See how they like being kicked around! B. I throw myself in front of the man and try to protect him, while screaming for help. Someone will come; in the meantime, I'll try to hold the thugs off. C. I throw in jinxes at a safe distance to stop the teens, then levitate the man out into the open, where someone is sure to come across him. Then I leave; no use sticking around for complications. D. I weigh my odds. Sure, there are only two to worry about, and I have a wand, but given that they're muggles, I could get into trouble for using magic on them. And I won't be any good in a muggle fight. I walk on; perhaps I'll find someone else to go and help soon.
Perhaps a bit extreme, and not the best example, but it's usually fairly simple to tell which house goes with which question. A is Gryffindor, B Hufflepuff, C Ravenclaw, and D Slytherin. When answers are too obvious, a student could actually bend them toward the house they want rather than the house they deserve.
(A student more intelligent than brave gets into Gryffindor because that is the house they prefer. A student more crafty than loyal avoids Slytherin for Hufflepuff because of the snake house's bad reputation)
What I'm trying to suggest is this: Put in some short (or long) answer questions. Those students may answer freely, in their own words and style, and can be judged individually. I think it might work...
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Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 9:35 am
Alutian Yes, the sorting should be a bit longer, but it also needs a few more short-answer questions.
The problem I've always had with multiple choice sorting quizes is that it is sometimes too obvious which answer will lead to which house. For example, you have the following hypothetical question:
example You are out one night, walking through the streets, when you hear a commotion in an alleyway. Two muggle teenagers are there, beating up some poor old muggle man. What do you do? A. I run in and start to hit and hex the teens at close range. See how they like being kicked around! B. I throw myself in front of the man and try to protect him, while screaming for help. Someone will come; in the meantime, I'll try to hold the thugs off. C. I throw in jinxes at a safe distance to stop the teens, then levitate the man out into the open, where someone is sure to come across him. Then I leave; no use sticking around for complications. D. I weigh my odds. Sure, there are only two to worry about, and I have a wand, but given that they're muggles, I could get into trouble for using magic on them. And I won't be any good in a muggle fight. I walk on; perhaps I'll find someone else to go and help soon.
Perhaps a bit extreme, and not the best example, but it's usually fairly simple to tell which house goes with which question. A is Gryffindor, B Hufflepuff, C Ravenclaw, and D Slytherin. When answers are too obvious, a student could actually bend them toward the house they want rather than the house they deserve.
(A student more intelligent than brave gets into Gryffindor because that is the house they prefer. A student more crafty than loyal avoids Slytherin for Hufflepuff because of the snake house's bad reputation)
What I'm trying to suggest is this: Put in some short (or long) answer questions. Those students may answer freely, in their own words and style, and can be judged individually. I think it might work... THe obviousness should be a favor to the person being sorted. If you know that answer B will get you into Hufflepuff, but that's not where you want to go, why should you answer B? With that said, members are usually sorted where they're post fits most.
Sorting isn't supposed to be difficult or thorough, it's just a fun thing... We're not trying to see if they honestly deserve Gryffindor, but want Hufflepuff,... I thiink that'll all be too confusing. HOwever adding one short answer question could be good. This test shouldn't feel/be like an actual test. Let's not make it as such.
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Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 10:17 am
Making the answers too hard, some people might feel like they're being tricked into a house they didn't want.
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Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 11:05 am
IceeWitch I had planned on banning non active house-elves in December, but because of my schedule I'll be moving that back to January. That was only for house elves. With that I also think we need to do the students who haven't made a single post in months also. For the older members before we actually ban them (I don't think they should be excused unless it's a member who contributed a good deal to the guild like [shorty] and Pinkie who are immune to the banning process) we should send them a PM letting them know. It's not fair to the members who get banned for not enough posting if other members can get away with it.
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Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 11:24 am
Alutian Yes, the sorting should be a bit longer, but it also needs a few more short-answer questions.
The problem I've always had with multiple choice sorting quizes is that it is sometimes too obvious which answer will lead to which house. For example, you have the following hypothetical question:
example You are out one night, walking through the streets, when you hear a commotion in an alleyway. Two muggle teenagers are there, beating up some poor old muggle man. What do you do? A. I run in and start to hit and hex the teens at close range. See how they like being kicked around! B. I throw myself in front of the man and try to protect him, while screaming for help. Someone will come; in the meantime, I'll try to hold the thugs off. C. I throw in jinxes at a safe distance to stop the teens, then levitate the man out into the open, where someone is sure to come across him. Then I leave; no use sticking around for complications. D. I weigh my odds. Sure, there are only two to worry about, and I have a wand, but given that they're muggles, I could get into trouble for using magic on them. And I won't be any good in a muggle fight. I walk on; perhaps I'll find someone else to go and help soon.
Perhaps a bit extreme, and not the best example, but it's usually fairly simple to tell which house goes with which question. A is Gryffindor, B Hufflepuff, C Ravenclaw, and D Slytherin. When answers are too obvious, a student could actually bend them toward the house they want rather than the house they deserve.
(A student more intelligent than brave gets into Gryffindor because that is the house they prefer. A student more crafty than loyal avoids Slytherin for Hufflepuff because of the snake house's bad reputation)
What I'm trying to suggest is this: Put in some short (or long) answer questions. Those students may answer freely, in their own words and style, and can be judged individually. I think it might work... Those are the kind of questions I think would be good, intermixed with others that are less obvious. one that I've always been fond of is: You find yourself late for class - you are standing in front of the door, and can see your professor lecturing. Do you: A) Knock really loudly before entering B) Enter and take the closest seat you find C) Enter and walk towards your regular seat in the middle of the room D) Skip class and go get a cookie at the Giggling Pear
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Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 2:00 pm
Junimaia IceeWitch I had planned on banning non active house-elves in December, but because of my schedule I'll be moving that back to January. That was only for house elves. With that I also think we need to do the students who haven't made a single post in months also. For the older members before we actually ban them (I don't think they should be excused unless it's a member who contributed a good deal to the guild like [shorty] and Pinkie who are immune to the banning process) we should send them a PM letting them know. It's not fair to the members who get banned for not enough posting if other members can get away with it.
In terms of House banning: The final word on if the member gets banned will go to the Head of House, but any member who hasn't been around in ages, and the only talk has been when the Head of House PMed them, what will be missed if they're banned? (The last word goes with the Head of House because it affects that House (not really the guild, but the House). If the Head of House is content with having nonexistent members, then when we handle Housepoints and such we can't have complaints that there weren't enough active members if 30 people are on the House list.) They don't come around, so it won't really make a difference. For members who post every once in awhile (at least every month I think that's the rule) they'll be safe no matter what, but members who are nonexistent... there's a difference. In essence, all it is is a guildmemberslist cleanup. I posted another message in the thread that extends from this one.
"Members who contributed a good deal" I don't know who most of them are, but Angil and KT do. Those are the members who were explained to have immunity. People like Grey (who doesn't come around, but was here to help shape the guild), and even DDA who comes around so it doesn't really matter.
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