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Hinote Tosatsu Vice Captain
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Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 9:21 am
Actually, I said it was my job to cut in when someone is doing something wrong. Do you seriously want to start a fight here? Fine. I will answer your questions.
You claimed to outrank the mods the instant you refused to acknowledge authority. Most blatantly shown in the fact that you are still fighting me.
It is pure common sense that a penalty would stack on top of a bonus, and cut both down to the appropriate number. If I bought two pizzas, and was mugged on the way home, and one pizza was stolen, I would have only one pizza. Understand?
And I do in fact have the authority to say THIS IS OVER. Now unless you want to see just what can happen when I get pissed off, you will stop this idiocy now.
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Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 9:26 am
Hinote Tosatsu Actually, I said it was my job to cut in when someone is doing something wrong. Do you seriously want to start a fight here? Fine. I will answer your questions. You claimed to outrank the mods the instant you refused to acknowledge authority. Most blatantly shown in the fact that you are still fighting me. It is pure common sense that a penalty would stack on top of a bonus, and cut both down to the appropriate number. If I bought two pizzas, and was mugged on the way home, and one pizza was stolen, I would have only one pizza. Understand? And I do in fact have the authority to say THIS IS OVER. Now unless you want to see just what can happen when I get pissed off, you will stop this idiocy now.Okay, can we pleeze stop arguing here. Zetsu, Hinote has authority and the supremacy clause on his side. I just wish we could all be friends crying ...
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Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 9:27 am
When did I once say that I outranked you? Please show me the exact words that I typed.
Please Show me in the rules where it says that A penalty and a Bonus from ninja types stacks.
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Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 9:37 am
Quote: Many Ninja Types give bonuses when learning jutsu. These bonuses never stack! The shinobi always take the greater of the two bonuses they have. Bonuses never stack.. ok we got that much but the question is dose a penalty stack with a bonus? Ok since it dose not say so lets put this in a logical sense... 1+1=2 ok? 1+1-1=1 ok? Now lets say the 1+1 on bonuses and the -1 is a penalty... why should we ignore it? Another example would be.. -4 learning posts.. then you learn from a scroll which is a penalty of +1 post... so your -3 posts... what exactly do you have a problem with?
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Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 9:43 am
This may not be a good time but, what the heck does a devil imp potion do???
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Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 9:44 am
turns you into a devil imp <.<
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Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 9:47 am
But I bought it and nothing happenned...
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Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 9:47 am
Then it should be in the rules. What you just put is Conjecture, and as such has no standing. there are many rules against logic that stand in this world. Like the code of hamurabi. " If a master plucks the eye of a slave, let his eye be plucked in return. " That defeats the logic of Master and slave relations, meaning the slave could do whatever it wished, and if punished the Master would go through the punishment as well, and th one administering the punishment would have to attack both equeally.
Why am I not allowed to ask these questions?
Why are you mods so up tight about your rules, when they obviously contradict the rules set by Bluewolfofmibu, the original guild master of this guild?
Why do you always what to keep me quiet, and make me look like the bad guy, even though I am asking legitimate questions, and you just say I'm wrong, never specifying how I am wrong?
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Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 9:48 am
kayavient_thundergod But I bought it and nothing happenned... drink it.
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Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 9:54 am
Zetsu i asked you what your asking about? instead you give me some bull that has nothing to do with it.... Ether stop messing around and let me help you.. or get out of the thread
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Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 9:58 am
xXZetsubou-KaesuXx Please Show me in the rules where it says that A penalty and a Bonus from ninja types stacks. It doesn't say it anywhere expressly in the rules, however it is common sense for it to work this way.
It does not make sense for things of a like pattern to stack, because then things get crazy broken. If you have multiple stacking bonuses, you end up only requiring one post to learn anything, which is both Unrealistic and Unfair.
...however, stacking both negative and positive modifiers makes perfect sense, because instead of making each other more broken, they balance... allowing characters for more variability.
You are right to say it's not written anywhere. However, you are wrong to say that because it is not written, it doesn't work that way.
This is where Hinote's modding overpowers what you say. As a Mod, he understands the system and despite the rules not being expressly written, can make a ruling with his authority and you need to respect that.
If you have a problem with a ruling, take it to a global Mod, or a VC, or the captain himself, but don't argue with him in the thread.
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Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 10:08 am
xXZetsubou-KaesuXx Then it should be in the rules. What you just put is Conjecture, and as such has no standing. there are many rules against logic that stand in this world. Like the code of hamurabi. " If a master plucks the eye of a slave, let his eye be plucked in return. " That defeats the logic of Master and slave relations, meaning the slave could do whatever it wished, and if punished the Master would go through the punishment as well, and th one administering the punishment would have to attack both equeally. Your logic is terrible here. The Code of Hammurabi was designed for equality of law in all respects. If a Master abused his Slave, then the master would be abused in treturn. this would give the Master motivation NOT to beat/harm his slave so the same punishment would not come on him. that is what Hammurabi's code sought to create... peace by the threat of reciprocal punishment.
It DID NOT however work the other way around, saying that if a Slave did something wrong, the master would also have to suffer the same punishment as the slave. ALSO, it was easily assumed that within the law, only certain people were allowed to administer the punishments and those who administered it as PART OF ENFORCING THE LAW, would not have to suffer a punishment in giving them out.xXZetsubou-KaesuXx Why am I not allowed to ask these questions? You are... but you need to accept a Mod's ruling. That's why they are mods.xXZetsubou-KaesuXx Why are you mods so up tight about your rules, when they obviously contradict the rules set by Bluewolfofmibu, the original guild master of this guild? We're doing the best we can, if you don't like it, take it up with the Captain/ Vice-captain. The rules are impossible to contradict if they don't exist. this is a case of common sense, which the mods in general agree with as a whole. You're just going to have to accept that we make the calls in lieu of the higher ups. Again, if you don't like it, PM Lance or Blue.xXZetsubou-KaesuXx Why do you always what to keep me quiet, and make me look like the bad guy, even though I am asking legitimate questions, and you just say I'm wrong, never specifying how I am wrong? Because you're the one causing the argument by refusing to listen to a mod's ruling since it doesn't make sense to you. However, you need to realize that there are people (the mods) who typically, know more about the rules then you. You are welcome to discuss and ask questions, but you are not welcome to fight. You can discuss, but at some point it has to stop. if you feel however that the ruling was unfair, or in itself, against the rules, PM a Global mod/VC and you'll get your answer eventually. Hopefully, you would then accept their ruling.
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Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 10:10 am
Orchid Moon Zetsu i asked you what your asking about? instead you give me some bull that has nothing to do with it.... Ether stop messing around and let me help you.. or get out of the thread I am sorry orchid, I did not see your question at the bottom of your answer. As to the answer of that question, I answered a question, Exactly to the specifications of the question, Hinote walks in, tells me I am wrong, adds more information to the question, and then gives a completely different answer than the question asked for. @ Cobra Then it should be in the rules. To my interprettation of the rules, Shinobi types Skills can not stack, which means that bonuses and penalties can not stack. Which I will agree is wierd, but that is how the rules are written, so I try not to question them. But I also, Even though I have no right to question the Vc and c's decision, Still have a problem with the fact that Hinote obtained his rank by doing exactly what I am, and now whenever I post here, he tells me I am wrong, and the proccess just repeats indefinately. It is geting quite old, And even though I enjoy it, bedause it brings back fond memories of a lost friend, I still get angry, and begin attacking other people, Like Orchi~sama.
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Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 10:16 am
Quick fact, It dose not say that Shinobi types Skills can not stack, it says... Quote: Many Ninja Types give bonuses when learning jutsu. These bonuses never stack! The shinobi always take the greater of the two bonuses they have. BONUSES NEVER STACK >.> please link where it says penalties never/can not stack.
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Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 10:18 am
The Code of Hammurabi can someone please explain this to me now I'm confused!
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