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Oooo, sounds funnier. biggrin
Was thinking of having the Chimera sunged a meter or two in to the soil
and the driver pointing the termies to GTFO. :p



Like wise,
that makes alittle more sence then a squad of termies. <.<"



I´m only a 3rth Edition player so I´ll have to go with your word on that.
This is more or less open to a debate whether or not it´s possible by
fluff standarts to do that.

my fave trick is getting flanking (via GM's strategy) dreadknight into flank of enemy formation, with teleporter it has charge range of 18 inches, and s6 flamethrower range of 42 inches (shunt plus heavy incinerator)

another dirty trick is sitting scoring (again via GM's strategy) paladins onto objective in ruins hardened by techmarine with librarian deploying shrouding and sanctuary = almost unassailable position with 2++ cover and badass melee unit that you need to make dangerous terrain test to charge...

Grey Knights are a tough nut to crack (probably the toughest, in my experience), but I've found that the best solution is to treat every enemy model as a Terminator. Fitting, because the Dreadknight is a terminator wearing an exoskeleton so that his armor can be armored while he goes out being armored. But I digress. You simply have to remember that the GKs are a small, elite army. Smaller and more elite than all others, but that just makes your tactics more important. I don't have an in-depth knowledge of them, but I've either played against them or watched enough games involving them to take the following insights away:

The key to taking down small, elite armies like the GKs is saturation. Their basic infantry model costs as much as an ork biker (and formerly SM bikers), and that's before they start throwing on upgrades like Halberds and Psy-cannons and so on. Guardsmen will outnumber the GK 4:1 in many cases. A single lasgun shot has a ~5.56% chance of killing a Grey Knight, but that's why you have so many of them. Wisely use your orders to pump out as many shots as possible; it may be frustrating to get past that 2/3+ armor, but they have to start failing saves eventually. Focus on one unit at a time until it's gone. Because your opponent will have so few models, he or she will have a much harder time coping with or absorbing the losses. And if you can get precision shots with ratlings or special weapon sniper squads, you can target the important-looking models first.

You can increase your chances by carefully deploying your forces to maximize fire-power. Because a GK army is so small, it can use the size of your army against you. If they focus on one part of your formation, then the bulk of your army may prevent you from bringing all of your firepower to bear on them. Strive to avoid this! Set up kill-zones, and bowl your center line inward so that every unit has a clear shot at any point along the front line. Deploy on every level of ruined buildings so that not only can all models in a squad see a unit, but blasts and templates can only take out troopers on one level at a time. The GK may be able to teleport around and not have to walk through the fire-zones, but they have to end their turn there. Make like Captain Nero and fire everything until nothing remains of the target but a pink mist and SoB-blood-coated armor fragments.

Keep your cool if you start losing troops. Not only should you expect to lose a lot of Guardsmen, but plan on it. Sometimes, you have to willingly sacrifice a couple of squads to your enemy to save the rest of the army: keep a ready supply of fresh meat for the grinder on hand! Send an Infantry Squad or two out into the open... or, even better, Whiteshields. For added bang for your buck, take Chenkhov so that the feast will never end. They'll go down fast, but their sacrifice means that you have control over where your opponent is going to focus his attention and even move his troops. Make it so that, to fire on your sacrificial unit, he or she has to move his troops into the maw of your crossfire.

If you're feeling particularly ballsy, consider Ogryns, or attaching Ministorum Priests and Commissars to Infantry Squads and sending them out to tie the GKs down in melee. Stubborn, Summary Execution, Righteous Fury, and/or T5 will keep your Guardsmen/Ogryns in assault for an annoyingly long time, and will hopefully prevent the GKs from either shooting or teleporting around on their next turn. It gets even more frustrating for your opponent when the assault's happening within range of one of your banners. You will lose the assault in time, but you're going to take down a couple GKs along the way and nullify the unit as a threat for a long while. While the unit is thus distracted, focus your gunline on other targets. Spend their lives wisely-enough, and your opponent will literally run out of time to kill your men.

Whew! That too longer than I thought it would to write. I hope that's helpful to you; I've both used this approach against other elite armies and had it used against my White Scars (another small, elite army) and, while it's not foolproof, it definitely kept the game going for a long, long time, and at least made things a lot closer than the elite player (either side of the table) thought it would be.

~Oci out

To add up;

Teleportations happens either deep striking or using the personal-teleporter unit
to beform "Shunting", which gives the unit a single-use 30" jump on the battlefield,
still following deep strike rules.

GK are Medium range specialists 1st, close combat second,
so GK players will tend to shorten the gap quickly to bring down heavy
firing on the enemy-lines to soft them up before assaulting to close combat.
Even thou every single model has a power weapon, the main weapon to use is
the storm bolters due to tactical-squad-ish statline that majority of the units posses.
Changes are if you throw a very tought unit or numerous unit that rarely breaks from the fight, they´ll stay there for a long time.

GK costs alot, so having multi-firing weaponry to concentrate firing or
armour craking weapon like melta and lascannons, they´ll go down pretty fast.

Even though GK do have large weapons in their arsenal,
the majority of the weapons range is 24" by 70% of the time,
48" weapons are attached to vehicles then anywhere else so seeing
long-range supports will be rare, unless of course they compensate with
an Ally army.

No problem. cool
Oh and the GK are anti-psykers and Anti-Deamon.
Not in a sense that they would take down psychers easily,
but more on the lines of having de-buff that reduces enemy Ld on psychic tests by 1, -4 if there´s a dreggy nearby.

Like I mentioned, bigger guns are on the vehicles.
Even thou the Psycannon has a S7 and Rending attached to it,
with 24" range he would have to come damn close to fire it and with a low AP value
most IG heavy-tanks would be save from it, that is unless he would try deep-striking behind your lines.
Maybe deploy on a terrain that would force a deep-strike mishab for valuable units?

Wait..... that shouldn´t be possible. :/
The dreadknights I can understand if the got the "Shunt"-teleporters on them,
but terminators on 1st turn?
Codex has no rules to support this, nor can I find one in the erratan.
Spear of Light in Grand Strategy gives a unit a Scout rule,
but that would only take effect in flanking rolls instead of deep striking,
and GK have no access to Drop-pods.



DPM can always occur if the unit would drop into impassable terrain, on top of his own unit, come 1" close to enemy units or model being placed outside
the games border.
Draigo has no rules to support deep striking and the Psychic Communion power
only effects on result of a Reserve-rolls, even then only if he is on the table.

This is true, The Grand Strategists gives D3 units a special rules from 4 choices,
which one of them was giving Scout-rule.
Shunting unit would be the Interceptor Squad which are fast attack choice,
so no problems there.



No, Kaldor Draigo does not have special equipment nor special
rules that would allow him and his unit to deep strike on turn one.
Neither does the current Erratan (v1.5) points to a rule change of this nature
and it´s very rare for GW to update a new rule for a special character,
unless it would conflict with the current rulebook in some way.

The closest item that would prevent scattering would be the Teleport Homer,
which removes the scattering to units deep striking near it.
But since the 3 closest units that would be on your line is;
- Interceptors, who have no access to a teleport homers in their wargear-listing.
- Nemesis Dreadnights, who Scout-ruled themself into table edge and
also have no access to TeleHome in their wargear-listing.
- Draigo himself, who doesn´t posses TeleHome in his
wargears and being a special character, has no access to additional wargears,
not the mention not being able to deep-strike in 1st turn.

Infact, the only model that has access to TeleHome is the Librarian.

As I mentioned earlier, Psychic Communion is the psychic power that
grands the player an ability to change the Reserve-rolls result by 1 (+or-),
but that only would work IF the model itself who is making the psychic-test,
is on the table.
As far as I know, while a model is in Reserve, he is counted as being out of
the game untill he arrives, so no special rules, psychic powers nor shooting from space is allowed, unless otherwise stated.

It would seem that who is playing the GK army doesn´t know all the details
or is deliberatly playing dishonestly and therefore lying.
Unless he can pinpoint the exact page or an erratan that allows this,
I have to draw a conclution to a dishonest gamer.

Even thou I havent´played with the GK-codex for long time now,
I still own the copy of the current book (2nd edition during 5th Ed -era)
and I have confirmed these points several times to be incorrect.