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| Who did cloud like |
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| Aries |
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[ 125 ] |
| Yuffie |
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 Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 7:27 pm
I say he like both.... ninja
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Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 5:02 pm
In AC Cloud doesnt even make a move on Tifa. If he likes her so much, then how come he hasn't tapped that, and HOW COME HES SO OBSESSED WITH AERITH?!?!? Theres another reason other than to be forgiven cough*rkfj*cough
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Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 5:30 pm
I think cloud likes aeris more, he misses her so much, even stays in her church, ehile he doesnt make any moves toward tifa. He kinda treats her like a kid sister, thats not the same kind of love. I'm sorry, He even tells tifa that he thinks he can see aeris again in the promied land, If he loved tifa why would he say that to her?
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Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 6:02 pm
going back a few pages none off my high school or college teachers have ever allowed wikipedia as a credible source. Also, I didnt notice anything special about the ring because they zoom in on her hand but the ring is slightly fuzzy, I think if they where showing off the ring it would have been shown in clearer detail. I do think however that tifa is very improtant to cloud and that him, her, and the kids are a family of sorts, what you people forget is not all families are mom, dad, children. I see their family as more like mom, uncle, children. Cloud and Tifa are more like brother and sister, so he does love her but not in the same way he loves aeris. I think both sides of the previous argument was dragging up support matrial that was streching fact a little. Truth is the only people who truely know are the creaters, but i do point out that some people say, "he loved aeris but know she is dead and he is hurting tifa. He should be with tifa and get over aeris." Do you think that is how love works. Do you think you could stop loving someone just because your freind happens to love you and is being hurt by your lack of reciprication. Trust me it doent work that way. You love somebody or you dont. It is, however, possible to love more than one person at the same time, whether or not that is the case, we don't know but judging from the game and the movie I think he loves them both but in different ways: aeris romantically, and tifa best freind/sisterly. Just what i think.
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Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 8:03 pm
missionquestthing going back a few pages none off my high school or college teachers have ever allowed wikipedia as a credible source. It doesn’t mater what source you read it stats the thing about promise rings. missionquestthing Also, I didn’t notice anything special about the ring because they zoom in on her hand but the ring is slightly fuzzy, I think if they where showing off the ring it would have been shown in clearer detail. Sounds like you’re grasping at straws. The ring was fuzzy because my AC screen caps aren’t off the DVD. My copy was the pirated version. missionquestthing I do think however that tifa is very improtant to cloud and that him, her, and the kids are a family of sorts, what you people forget is not all families are mom, dad, children. I see their family as more like mom, uncle, children. Cloud and Tifa are more like brother and sister, so he does love her but not in the same way he loves aeris. He called Aeris mother and never once called Tifa a sister. The evidence for Cloud and Tifa are as clear as day. Just look at "In the case of Tifa." Cloud said that he was going to start a new life with her and he was blushing and everything. They had made a promise together when they were children, and Tifa was in Clouds most presses and innermost thoughts. They had heard each others voices in their hearts when they were in the life stream. That to me tops all the times he ever had with Aeris. But of cores your allowed to your opinion. missionquestthing I think both sides of the previous argument was dragging up support matrial that was streching fact a little. Truth is the only people who truely know are the creaters, but i do point out that some people say, "he loved aeris but know she is dead and he is hurting tifa. He should be with tifa and get over aeris." Do you think that is how love works. Do you think you could stop loving someone just because your freind happens to love you and is being hurt by your lack of reciprication. Trust me it doent work that way. You love somebody or you dont. It is, however, possible to love more than one person at the same time, whether or not that is the case, we don't know but judging from the game and the movie And just what was this rant for? I never said that he should get over Aeris and move on with Tifa because he never loved Aeris that way. He loved her as a mother which is why he called her that in the end. missionquestthing I think he loves them both but in different ways: aeris romantically, and tifa best freind/sisterly. Just what i think.
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Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 8:20 pm
Ah, the mother ordeal... I have SERIOUSLY got to watch AC again... Once I find the pirated version again anyway...
I just gotta go with what I know so I'm not yelled at for false documents...
When you play the game, you can see love between Cloud, Aeris, and Tifa. It is just that he is so conflicted at the moment, that he cannot really say he loves either of the three so much as to give his life to them.
Cloud, he held a very, very, very special place in his heart for Aeris, both when she was alive and when she passed on. Tifa, too, had a place in his heart, though it didn't look that way in AC. Though, if you read into men's pride, you can see that he avoided her because of his stigma, and didn't want her to worry about losing him like they had lost Aeris. So, he hurt her to help her, like I hurt Steph to help her... Man that was a bad move on my part....
ANYHOW, as I said before, he loved both of them. The way love moves is in the eyes of the beholder, really. Aeris and Tifa were both very close to him, both in different ways and different reasons. They both, however, really liked him as a friend and as someone who would be able to protect them should they ever be in a pinch.
I am not saying it's easy to move on after losing a girl, especially when that girl had passed on. But, he really did love Tifa as both of you had said. It may take a while, may even take years as it did Kenshin Himura, Vincent Valentine, and Seta, but in time, a person with internal strength can learn to move on.
He can learn to love again while keeping Aeris in his heart. Whether or not he moves on and finds love in Tifa just seems the most likely at the moment, seeing their history, and how close they have grown together after the game's end.
But, that's just me...
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Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 8:29 pm
Cirius777 In AC Cloud doesnt even make a move on Tifa. If he likes her so much, then how come he hasn't tapped that, and HOW COME HES SO OBSESSED WITH AERITH?!?!? Theres another reason other than to be forgiven cough*rkfj*cough
Anyway, that's rather perverted, Bro. Not all men look at women as just sexual items that they can, ahem, "tap." I think that either means hit on or HIT on, but, I dunno...
Anyway, even if you like a person, it isn't so easy to let it out. In this new world where teens fall in love every 6 minutes and break up every 3, I wouldn't really expect some people to understand, really... I guess I'm old fashioned, and head injuries really teach you to enjoy life and respect the world for what it is.
Tifa has feelings for Cloud, however or whatever they may be. However, she gives him some tough love because he is acting distant from his friends, and wants him to be more open. She doesn't want him to forget Aeris, but she also doesn't want him to forget about her..
Gotta learn about what love really is, not just tapping a hot girl and "obssessing" over a dead one.
So, Late for tonight!
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Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 8:50 pm
RanmaxHikaru- I wasn't asking for an argument, i was just stating my opinion, becauses everyone is entitled to theirs (if you havnt forgotten). Now matter how much you agrue with me or anyone else you will not change our opinion and i will not change yours. So drop the defensive, argueminitive sh*t. Disscussion is one thing but you sound like you are pushing for a fight.
as for the fuzzy ring I was refering to the movie not your picture, pictures can be fuzzy for many reasons, The ring was fuzzy in the actual movie when i watched it, and trust me my version (actaully I haved watched 3 different peoples copies of AC) are not pirated versions.
That is all I will say, if you want to engage in civil discussion, I am up for it, because there are many facts to support both sides, but I will not argue to defend my opinions from an attack. Nuff said.
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Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 8:58 pm
missionquetthing wrote Quote: but i do point out that some people say, "he loved aeris but know she is dead and he is hurting tifa. He should be with tifa and get over aeris." Do you think that is how love works. Do you think you could stop loving someone just because your freind happens to love you and is being hurt by your lack of reciprication. Trust me it doent work that way. You love somebody or you dont. It is, however, possible to love more than one person at the same time, whether or not that is the case, we don't know but judging from the game and the movie RanmaxHikaru wrote: Quote: And just what was this rant for? I never said that he should get over Aeris and move on with Tifa because he never loved Aeris that way. He loved her as a mother which is why he called her that in the end.
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Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 9:46 pm
missionquestthing RanmaxHikaru- I wasn't asking for an argument, i was just stating my opinion, becauses everyone is entitled to theirs (if you havnt forgotten). Now matter how much you agrue with me or anyone else you will not change our opinion and i will not change yours. So drop the defensive, argueminitive sh*t. Disscussion is one thing but you sound like you are pushing for a fight.
as for the fuzzy ring I was refering to the movie not your picture, pictures can be fuzzy for many reasons, The ring was fuzzy in the actual movie when i watched it, and trust me my version (actaully I haved watched 3 different peoples copies of AC) are not pirated versions.
That is all I will say, if you want to engage in civil discussion, I am up for it, because there are many facts to support both sides, but I will not argue to defend my opinions from an attack. Nuff said. How was I putting up a fight? I never said any offensive words or sarcastic remarks and I never once you were stupid or dumb for liking Aeris and Cloud. I don't know why you think I was being rude. missionquestthing I said some people - as in not you, don't be so defensive to assume my post was about you, a few points where specially derived from your previous argument eith someone else, but overall my statement was about aeris/cloud haters in general, most the post was. I was sating my opinion about what i have heard many, many times and my opinion about the cloud/aeris/tifa love triange Gee you don't have to write it in red and get angry. I assumed that since you started off your post directed at me that you were still directing it a me and generally all Cltif lovers. I apologies.
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Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 9:58 pm
RanmaxHikaru missionquestthing RanmaxHikaru- I wasn't asking for an argument, i was just stating my opinion, becauses everyone is entitled to theirs (if you havnt forgotten). Now matter how much you agrue with me or anyone else you will not change our opinion and i will not change yours. So drop the defensive, argueminitive sh*t. Disscussion is one thing but you sound like you are pushing for a fight.
as for the fuzzy ring I was refering to the movie not your picture, pictures can be fuzzy for many reasons, The ring was fuzzy in the actual movie when i watched it, and trust me my version (actaully I haved watched 3 different peoples copies of AC) are not pirated versions.
That is all I will say, if you want to engage in civil discussion, I am up for it, because there are many facts to support both sides, but I will not argue to defend my opinions from an attack. Nuff said. How was I putting up a fight? I never said any offensive words or sarcastic remarks and I never once you were stupid or dumb for liking Aeris and Cloud. I don't know why you think I was being rude. missionquestthing I said some people - as in not you, don't be so defensive to assume my post was about you, a few points where specially derived from your previous argument eith someone else, but overall my statement was about aeris/cloud haters in general, most the post was. I was sating my opinion about what i have heard many, many times and my opinion about the cloud/aeris/tifa love triange Gee you don't have to write it in red and get angry. I assumed that since you started off your post directed at me that you were still directing it a me and generally all Cltif lovers. I apologies.
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Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 1:01 pm
Quote: And just what was this rant for? I never said that he should get over Aeris and move on with Tifa because he never loved Aeris that way. He loved her as a mother which is why he called her that in the end.
Cloud calling her mother was merely showing Cloud acknowleding how Aerith cares for him
but anyways my point is that this is
"an important trait japanese look for in a companion"
you might be thinking what the--? but you'll understand when I'm done
basically after doing a fair share of researching questioning and etc
I came to that conclusion
the basic stereotype in america would
'someone smart good looking with a good sense of humor'
right?
well in japan, I've seen that one thing that men look for in a girl
is too see if she can love the guy like a mother would, or like their own mother
someone who can love them to the level of that of a mothers
how ever you read it, it means the same thing
from reading, I think it was 'on the way to a smile'
it mentions tifa feeling like a mother
this shows how tifa is now just learning how to love on a different level
that she has just realized how to care for Cloud to a different extent
but the big thing to notice here
is Cloud never acknowledges this 'new' side of Tifa
he only ever shows that Aerith
is closest like his mother 'the one who knows best'
and can care for him, in the absense of his own mother
[we all know cloud is still a kid ^^]
although now [before AC] it becomes apparent
that Tifa is trying to show Cloud she really does care for
and yes Cloud knows she does care for his sake
but...in Cloud's perspective
Tifa's love for him, is not like that of a
'mother's'
[mother=Aerith <3]
EVEN THOUGH, Tifa has learned to love him as a mother would
Cloud doesnt see it in this way
no its not because he is o-so dense its because
their love doesnt go past a point
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I've been also looking into quite a few lyric trans.
by bands such as kagrra gazette etc
and this supports what I'm saying
example:
Song:Oukaranmen
Artist:Kagrra
'when I think back, you were always there watching me
when things were tough, when I was sad,
with a smile like my mother'
'the tears wont stop, but you held me
mother? I feel your embrace
dont let go"
so basically cloud saying mother to Aerith doesnt
mean he loves her AS his mother
but that the way she cares for him is as strong as a mother's love
-END RANT :]
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Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 7:52 pm
.[.pink.spider.]. Quote: And just what was this rant for? I never said that he should get over Aeris and move on with Tifa because he never loved Aeris that way. He loved her as a mother which is why he called her that in the end.
Cloud calling her mother was merely showing Cloud acknowleding how Aerith cares for him
but anyways my point is that this is
"an important trait japanese look for in a companion"
you might be thinking what the--? but you'll understand when I'm done
basically after doing a fair share of researching questioning and etc
I came to that conclusion
the basic stereotype in america would
'someone smart good looking with a good sense of humor'
right?
well in japan, I've seen that one thing that men look for in a girl
is too see if she can love the guy like a mother would, or like their own mother
someone who can love them to the level of that of a mothers
how ever you read it, it means the same thing
from reading, I think it was 'on the way to a smile'
it mentions tifa feeling like a mother
this shows how tifa is now just learning how to love on a different level
that she has just realized how to care for Cloud to a different extent
but the big thing to notice here
is Cloud never acknowledges this 'new' side of Tifa
he only ever shows that Aerith
is closest like his mother 'the one who knows best'
and can care for him, in the absense of his own mother
[we all know cloud is still a kid ^^]
although now [before AC] it becomes apparent
that Tifa is trying to show Cloud she really does care for
and yes Cloud knows she does care for his sake
but...in Cloud's perspective
Tifa's love for him, is not like that of a
'mother's'
[mother=Aerith <3]
EVEN THOUGH, Tifa has learned to love him as a mother would
Cloud doesnt see it in this way
no its not because he is o-so dense its because
their love doesnt go past a point
--------
I've been also looking into quite a few lyric trans.
by bands such as kagrra gazette etc
and this supports what I'm saying
example:
Song:Oukaranmen
Artist:Kagrra
'when I think back, you were always there watching me
when things were tough, when I was sad,
with a smile like my mother'
'the tears wont stop, but you held me
mother? I feel your embrace
dont let go"
so basically cloud saying mother to Aerith doesnt
mean he loves her AS his mother
but that the way she cares for him is as strong as a mother's love
-END RANT :]
Anyways >_>; Pink Spider, how do you know Cloud doesn't acknowledge Tifa in certain ways than others? How do you know for sure, that when he called Aeris 'Mother' that your reasoning is the correct reasoning? Based on the japanese view of things? FF is a game for A LOT of different countries. Sure, Japan DID create the game, but don't you think they'd keep EVERYONE'S mindset--- In fact, in MIND? If they wanted to say who Cloud loved for sure, they would of made an obvious hint, or merely came out and said it.
Let's say, the thing about Cloud calling Aeris mother, is true. That he feels she is a replacement for his own Mother, someone who really understands him.
To me, that doesn't seem quite right. I can honestly say, that it seemed that Tifa understood him quite a bit more. It seemed, Cloud was more open with her, though he was extremely open to BOTH of the girls. As I've said over and over, both women are hinted as Cloud's 'love intrest' but until the game, movies, stories, etc shed TRUE light on who Cloud really loves, we'll never know.
Even if all you said about Aeris being Cloud's 'mother' counts as something he sees as a 'good quality' in a woman, that doesn't necessarily mean he LOVES her. I'm sure Tifa has many qualities he finds good in a woman as well.
Even if your lover had qualities and loved you to the same extent of your own mother, would you actually find yourself calling them the NAME "Mother"?
Please enlighten me more, on how Cloud never acknowledges Tifa. I'm just dying to know how he acknowledged Aeris more than she.
Tifa has always tried to show Cloud she really does care. In fact, she's even SHOWN it already. And in CLOUDS PERSPECTIVE, how do you know how he really feels? :/ Your making an assumption, and an assumption is not a fact.
Cloud and Tifa's love goes WAY beyond a "point".
Though, I'm not 100% sure what you mean exactly by a "point".
Oh, and by the by, 98.9% of the things on Wikipedia can be proved, if you take the time to look for them again, or if you already remember them.
(I mean, on FF based things at least. Under Tifa's profile, Aeris', and Cloud's for that matter.)
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Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 8:15 pm
I have a couple questions. Is anyone here Cloud? Is anyone here more priveleged than others to have actually met the man and have a conversation with him on the subject of who he really loved?
I can tell you, the answer is NO!
Stop trying to shove dry facts down anyone elses throats! This goes for EVERYBODY!
Cloud, according to the game and official, Square/Squenix material, does NOT end up with ANYONE! This debate is all on your own preference. There is no fact to be had here. Its all opinion based. Thats how it was made for a reason. It keeps people bitching and moaning about it for a long time, but all in all, Cloud does NOT end up with anyone.
Is anyone following me? If so, then my job here is done. Im just saying this out of pure necessity to get it out of my system, it wasnt provoked necessarily right now, but I felt the urge to say it right now.
None of you are wrong in your opinions on what COULD have happened, but none of you are right on what DID happen in the end. We dont know if Cloud did or did not hook up with anyone or if he will in the future, and we might not ever know. Unless official material through game or movie comes to light, there will never be a right or wrong answer to this question.
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Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 4:36 am
You make a good point, One I have made already.
Is it wrong to be debating though? Especially when some say "This is Cloud's Perspective" over and over? I mean, there is ACTUAL proof for both of the girls. I'm just baffled that most people aren't listing any, and are in fact, saying "This is how Cloud feels" When WE don't know that. Like I also said, assumption is not a fact. But, direct quotes and scenes from the game ARE. I suppose, everyone could intrepret those facs a different way. >_>;
Maybe it's just one big cycle of opinions. Some of the opinions just make no sense at all, however. Some provide no factual evidence to be based on. The topic is, who does Cloud really love?
This is where you post your opinion. I'm sure that everyone (well, almost everyone) knows that they are not Cloud, and that he does not choose anyone so far.
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