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| Aries |
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 Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 10:40 am
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Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 8:21 pm
Ranshin ross I don't want to give anymore reasons for my suggestion scream I just think Cloud likes Tiffa (Don't comment on this pls 3nodding ) Yah stick it to 'em.
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Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 12:26 pm
aha wow I gotta alot to reply to surprised heart
but sorry I havent been on gaia ina few days
school is killing me gonk
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Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 12:41 pm
RanmaxHikaru Look a wolf head Promises Ring on Tifa's hand. Matching Cloud's earrings and pendent. When Tifa is talking about family and telling Cloud to stop running the camera zooms in on Tifa's hand with the ring on it. From Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Promise_ringA promise ring or friendship ring is a ring given to a boyfriend or girlfriend, to promise to be committed in a serious relationship. These indicate that serious courting is under-way. It can be given as a symbol that a couple does not feel that it is an appropriate time to consider engagement or marriage but are serious about each other and their relationship. A common promise ring. A promise ring can be worn on any finger on the left or right hand, although ring fingers are far preferred. Most often it is the left ring finger, but due to engagement confusion, the right ring finger is finding acceptance in today's world.
ok this is one thing I have to reply to before I go to my studies
Tifa is not wearing Cloud's ring. First of all, do you really think Cloud would wear such a feminine-looking piece of jewelry? It was clearly made for a woman. Second of all, I doubt Cloud's ring would fit so nicely on Tifa's much smaller hand. Thirdly, Cloud has his own ring, which he gave to Denzel (the boy wears it on a chain around his neck). So, Cloud doesn't even wear his Cloudy Wolf ring.
b. Barret also wears a Cloudy Wolf ring. OMFG, CLARRET IZ CANON!!! xD This point alone proves that Tifa's ring means diddly squat. Barret and Tifa are both wearing their rings, but Cloud isn't... hmm... BARRIFA 4EVA!!! In fact, I have a better idea about what the rings are for. Since the wolf in the movie was confirmed by Nomura to represent Cloud's guilt, then perhaps Cloud, Barret, and Tifa, the last three members of the original AVALANCHE crew, are wearing them to symbolize their guilt for the lives lost due to the actions of AVALANCHE. Doesn't that make a lot more sense than Cloud being engaged to both Tifa and Barret? It could also be the reason why Cloud gave his ring to Denzel, since the boy did lose his parents when the plate fell on Sector 7, during the game (which was a result of Shinra trying to crush AVALANCHE). Maybe Cloud felt somewhat responsible for the death of Denzel's parents, since he was a member of AVALANCHE at the time.
c. When do we ever see Cloud buying the rings for Tifa and Barret? Never. For all we know, Tifa bought them, or even Barret. We don't know who bought them or where they came from.
d. Tifa's ring doesn't get a special close-up, like CloTis are claiming. The scene in question takes place when Tifa is berating Cloud for his brooding, angsty behavior. She is sitting on the bed, glaring at Cloud, while he stands with his head down, over by the Turks. Frustrated by Cloud's apathy, Tifa slams her right hand down on the bed, the camera cutting to her hand as she does so. So Tifa is acting out in anger against Cloud who has lost the will to live and is shutting her out of this heart. SO ROMANTIKALZ! Give me a break...
e. Tifa is wearing the ring on her right hand, not the left. Engagement/wedding rings are worn on the left, people. However, Barret is wearing his ring on the left! YAY, CLARRET!! xD
and for the touching thing
omg cloud's head is touching her hand!
omgitslove!
and the kind of 'touch' I meant wasnt
touching like omg they bumped into each other!
in that scene if they were connected in any sense it would've shown there hands holding and zooming into that
or something along those lines
but it didnt do that
what it meant to show is that
look how close they are
but they arent 'close enough'
comparing this to the scene with Aerith in the flowers
it shows how close they are
just like for tifa and cloud
but the difference is Aerith can touch him
Cloud even turns away
because he doesnt know how to react
because really could anyone else touch him?
no. not tifa not barret not cid
oh ya and I wanna tell you another thing
did you know that people can go on wikipedia and put in their own information
so its really not a valid source
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Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 12:48 pm
sorry for creating mulitple posts but I dunno why it wont let me press edit ^^
I just wanna point this out to everyone who says that since Aerith died
Cloud will live happily ever after with Tifa
you are completely mistaken
because when watching the complete ending+credits
we see that Cloud isnt just going to forget Aerith
After the Ending, Cloud then rides off on Fenrir down a sunlit highway, as if he is going somewhere. Aerith is shown alone in a flower field. Then, she suddenly turns, as if sensing the approach of someone. Cloud hasn't passed her by yet, he is merely on the outskirts of the flower field. Cloud reaches the flower field and begins riding through it, a rare smile on his face, the pink ribbon still on his arm, fluttering in the wind; the flowers stretch for miles and miles. The camera follows him no further. In the background, a song called "Calling" is playing during this entire scene. This song was especially picked by Tetsuya Nomura, who said this about the song:
"In the scene where it plays I'm trying to portray the message of the film and Cloud's feelings through silence and the song. I think people will feel the persuasive power of the song when they view the scene."
Here are the lyrics for the song, which have heavy ClAeris overtones:
"Calling" by Kyosuke Himuro
I wonder how many sleepless nights you have to count, before you find your way
After how many lives are lost, will the strife end?
Clowns that cannot be saved, just tumbling atop of history
Like someone said one day before
The answer is in the wind.
How many times does your face have to be hit as you turned it away, before you stop pretending that you don't notice?
How much pain must your endure, before you smile freely?
If you're going to accept defeat again, still bound by rusted chains
Like someone said one day before
The answer is in the wind.
With your voice strained and your hands gripping tightly
Waiting for the time when your destiny is sure to change
With the faint power of a tiny love
Always waiting for your sadness to be embraced
Pitiful frauds working their puzzles of lies
Foolish romanticists who gracefully entertain with clumsiness
The premonition of the coming of the day when history will tell you nothing
Like someone said one day before
The answer is in the wind.
With your voice strained and your hands gripping tightly
Waiting for the time when your destiny is sure to change
With the faint power of a tiny love
Always waiting for your sadness to be embraced.
So, Cloud and Aerith basically have their own music video with a song that speaks of love and sadness (which is supposed to reflect Cloud's feelings and help the viewer understand Cloud). Also, these scenes are actual locations, real scenery with Cloud and Aerith interposed on top. Special, no? What do Cloud and Tifa get? Nothing. Tifa is not even shown in the ending, except in the photos on Cloud's desk, along with the rest of Cloud's friends. And, in front of those photos are some of the yellow flowers from the exact flower field Aerith was standing in. Also, scattered all over the desk are photos of that same flower field. What does this tell us? That Cloud is visiting that particular flower field very often. And, more than likely, he is visiting with Aerith there. With this scene we know that Cloud has figured out where the Promised Land is and, as he vowed at the end of FFVII, he has found a way to meet Aerith once again.
How exactly does this have anything to do with Tifa? Cloud was not shown riding back to Seventh Heaven. And Tifa was not shown waiting apprehensively at the door to Seventh Heaven, as if awaiting Cloud's return. All that is shown is Cloud riding off alone toward a flower field that appears to be the same one that Aerith is in. Aerith, not Tifa. Cloud has felt alone for the past two years, even with Tifa around. What makes you think that she would suddenly make him feel less alone? Cloud finally realized that her spirit would be with him always and he can see her whenever he wants in the Promised Land. This is between Cloud and Aerith folks. Tifa is not even a factor here.
In the latest short, "Reminiscence", we get a chance to see what Cloud is up to post-AC. Is he shown at Seventh Heaven? No. Actually, he is out riding around alone. During this segment, Cloud receives phone calls from his friends regarding a package he is to pick up from Barret for Marlene and Denzel. Cloud is shown at various locations, talking with his friends and meeting with Barret. Barret gives Cloud a sign for his delivery service from Yuffie; it says "Temporarily Closed". The last call Cloud receives is from Tifa. Where is Cloud standing? You guessed it! The flower field! Here is Cloud's conversation with Tifa (you can only hear Cloud's part of the conversation):
Cloud: "Yes, this is he. The next delivery is just luggage to Midgar." So, NO, Cloud is not running home to Tifa, as you CloTis would like for me to believe. He is making a delivery to Midgar, not Edge (where Seventh Heaven is located).
"Is it a pickup or delivery? Then, no, turn it down." No, "how are you" or anything? He is just inquiring about his business? Geez, he treats Tifa like his secretary. Where the hell are you people finding romantic implications from this conversation?
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Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 4:21 pm
RanmaxHikaru Look a wolf head Promises Ring on Tifa's hand. Matching Cloud's earrings and pendent.When Tifa is talking about family and telling Cloud to stop running the camera zooms in on Tifa's hand with the ring on it. From Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Promise_ring.[.pink.spider.]. A promise ring or friendship ring is a ring given to a boyfriend or girlfriend, to promise to be committed in a serious relationship. These indicate that serious courting is under-way. It can be given as a symbol that a couple does not feel that it is an appropriate time to consider engagement or marriage but are serious about each other and their relationship.
A common promise ring.
A promise ring can be worn on any finger on the left or right hand, although ring fingers are far preferred. Most often it is the left ring finger, but due to engagement confusion, the right ring finger is finding acceptance in today's world.
.[.pink.spider.]. Tifa is not wearing Cloud's ring. First of all, do you really think Cloud would wear such a feminine-looking piece of jewelry? It was clearly made for a woman. Second of all, I doubt Cloud's ring would fit so nicely on Tifa's much smaller hand. Thirdly, Cloud has his own ring, which he gave to Denzel (the boy wears it on a chain around his neck). So, Cloud doesn't even wear his Cloudy Wolf ring.
Don't be ridicules of cores it's Clouds wolf ring. It matches everything else that he has on. Second what dose feminine-looking jewelry have anything to do with anything. Cloud is wearing feminine wolf head earrings and no one says anything about that. Also about giving his ring to Denzel. How do you know that Denzel didn’t ask for him to give it to him. Children like to have things from their parents especially when they admire them as much as Denzel admires Cloud.
.[.pink.spider.]. Barret also wears a Cloudy Wolf ring. OMFG, CLARRET IZ CANON!!!
xD This point alone proves that Tifa's ring means diddly squat. Barret and Tifa are both wearing their rings, but Cloud isn't... hmm... BARRIFA 4EVA!!!
Barret is wearing his left hand on the middle finger while Tifa is wearing hers on her right ring finger (The ideal place for a promises ring) Not to mention that they zoomed in on her ring right when she was talking about family and running away. They never zoomed in on Barret's ring or Denzel s ring? No. Just Tifa's ring. Now why would SE do that if the ring meant nothing? Because it's obviously important.
.[.pink.spider.]. In fact, I have a better idea about what the rings are for. Since the wolf in the movie was confirmed by Nomura to represent Cloud's guilt, then perhaps Cloud, Barret, and Tifa, the last three members of the original AVALANCHE crew, are wearing them to symbolize their guilt for the lives lost due to the actions of AVALANCHE. Doesn't that make a lot more sense than Cloud being engaged to both Tifa and Barret?
Nether ring is an engagement ring. Barret ring is not an engagement ring since it's on his left middle finger. Tifa's ring is not an engagement either it's a promises ring there’s a difference.
.[.pink.spider.]. It could also be the reason why Cloud gave his ring to Denzel, since the boy did lose his parents when the plate fell on Sector 7, during the game (which was a result of Shinra trying to crush AVALANCHE). Maybe Cloud felt somewhat responsible for the death of Denzel's parents, since he was a member of AVALANCHE at the time.
Or Denzel could have simply said. "Hey Cloud I really like your ring could I have it please?" Children often want things that their parents have.
.[.pink.spider.]. c. When do we ever see Cloud buying the rings for Tifa and Barret? Never. For all we know, Tifa bought them, or even Barret. We don't know who bought them or where they came from.
There are some things that really don’t have to be shown or said. It’s obviously Cloud’s stuff because he has the most of it on not to mention that the wolf is a representation of him.
.[.pink.spider.]. d. Tifa's ring doesn't get a special close-up, like CloTis are claiming.
Uhh yes it dose.
.[.pink.spider.]. he scene in question takes place when Tifa is berating Cloud for his brooding, angsty behavior. She is sitting on the bed, glaring at Cloud, while he stands with his head down, over by the Turks. Frustrated by Cloud's apathy, Tifa slams her right hand down on the bed, the camera cutting to her hand as she does so. So Tifa is acting out in anger against Cloud who has lost the will to live and is shutting her out of this heart. SO ROMANTIKALZ! Give me a break...
You know I’m really sick you twisting events around to make it seem like Tifa’s a bad person. Tifa was not yelling or glaring at Cloud. She was simply telling him exactly what he needed to hear. Tifa is tired of seeing Cloud always running away from his guilt and his past. Also it is because of this seen that the ring being zoomed in on is so important. Tifa is talking about family when they zoom in on it so this obviously means something very significant about Cloud and Tifa's relationship. Not to mention that both Tifa and Aeris told Cloud Zuru Zuru Zuru Zuru. They both want him to stop running away from his feelings of guilt.
.[.pink.spider.]. e. Tifa is wearing the ring on her right hand, not the left. Engagement/wedding rings are worn on the left, people. However, Barret is wearing his ring on the left! YAY, CLARRET!! xD
Again I never said it was a wedding or engagement ring. I said it was a promises ring. Promises rings are worn on the right ring finger to eliminate confusion between the two or did you not read what I wrote before. A promess ring is given to a girlfriend not a wife. Also again Bareet is wearing his on his left middle finger which means nothing.
.[.pink.spider.]. and for the touching thing
omg cloud's head is touching her hand!
omgitslove!
You know the same could be said of your Cleris touching proofs as well.
.[.pink.spider.]. and the kind of 'touch' I meant wasnt
touching like omg they bumped into each other!
in that scene if they were connected in any sense it would've shown there hands holding and zooming into that
or something along those lines
but it didnt do that
what it meant to show is that
look how close they are
but they arent 'close enough'
comparing this to the scene with Aerith in the flowers
it shows how close they are
just like for tifa and cloud
but the difference is Aerith can touch him
Cloud even turns away
because he doesnt know how to react
because really could anyone else touch him?
no. not tifa not barret not cid
First of all this whole touching proof is just stupid. Aeris and Tifa both touch him in the movie an equal amount of times besides Aeris's touch was more like a concerned motherly touch not a romantic I love you touch. But all of that is left up to interpretation and opinion. Also if you conceder the game Tifa romantically touches Cloud a lot more then Aeris dose. Like when they were leaning on each other as they slept under the Highwind ex (I don't feel like writing all the times) But in any case like I said before this whole touching being used as proof is just stupid. Unless he's seen holding hands, hugging, or kissing either Aeris or Tifa there is no way that either of their touching can be considered proof.
.[.pink.spider.]. oh ya and I wanna tell you another thing
did you know that people can go on wikipedia and put in their own information
so its really not a valid source
Of cores it's a valid source. Their are mods to cheek that site for its accuracy. Also I have used wikipedia for five of my college essays. Not to mention that there are many other sites that have the same information.
.[.pink.spider.]. sorry for creating mulitple posts but I dunno why it wont let me press edit ^^
I just wanna point this out to everyone who says that since Aerith died
Cloud will live happily ever after with Tifa
you are completely mistaken
because when watching the complete ending+credits
we see that Cloud isnt just going to forget Aerith
Umm of corse he's going to live happily with Tifa and the kids now that he has had closer for both Aeris and Zack. They are his family after all. However no one ever said that he was going to forget about Aeris. Would you forget about your sister or mother if they died. of corse not they would always have a place in your heart.
.[.pink.spider.]. After the Ending, Cloud then rides off on Fenrir down a sunlit highway, as if he is going somewhere. Aerith is shown alone in a flower field. Then, she suddenly turns, as if sensing the approach of someone. Cloud hasn't passed her by yet, he is merely on the outskirts of the flower field. Cloud reaches the flower field and begins riding through it, a rare smile on his face, the pink ribbon still on his arm, fluttering in the wind; the flowers stretch for miles and miles. The camera follows him no further. In the background, a song called "Calling" is playing during this entire scene. This song was especially picked by Tetsuya Nomura, who said this about the song:
"In the scene where it plays I'm trying to portray the message of the film and Cloud's feelings through silence and the song. I think people will feel the persuasive power of the song when they view the scene."
Here are the lyrics for the song, which have heavy ClAeris overtones:
"Calling" by Kyosuke Himuro
I wonder how many sleepless nights you have to count, before you find your way
After how many lives are lost, will the strife end?
Clowns that cannot be saved, just tumbling atop of history
Like someone said one day before
The answer is in the wind.
How many times does your face have to be hit as you turned it away, before you stop pretending that you don't notice?
How much pain must your endure, before you smile freely?
If you're going to accept defeat again, still bound by rusted chains
Like someone said one day before
The answer is in the wind.
With your voice strained and your hands gripping tightly
Waiting for the time when your destiny is sure to change
With the faint power of a tiny love
Always waiting for your sadness to be embraced
Pitiful frauds working their puzzles of lies
Foolish romanticists who gracefully entertain with clumsiness
The premonition of the coming of the day when history will tell you nothing
Like someone said one day before
The answer is in the wind.
With your voice strained and your hands gripping tightly
Waiting for the time when your destiny is sure to change
With the faint power of a tiny love
Always waiting for your sadness to be embraced.
So, Cloud and Aerith basically have their own music video with a song that speaks of love and sadness (which is supposed to reflect Cloud's feelings and help the viewer understand Cloud).
First of all from what you said this song is about love and sadness but just because Cloud loved Aeris doesn’t mean he was in love with her. There are different kinds of love. The movie's theme was about mothers and family. Clouds family is obviously the kids and Tifa. And sure the whole Aeris being Cloud's mother figure can be put to interpretation but thought out the whole movie everyone was calling Aeris mother and near the end even Cloud called her mother. I think SE is trying to hint at something. Second It's not a Cleris music video. Your twisting things around again. Just because Aeris was shown for a few seconds watching Cloud go by on his bike that doesn’t make it a Cleris music video.
.[.pink.spider.]. Also, these scenes are actual locations, real scenery with Cloud and Aerith interposed on top. Special, no? What do Cloud and Tifa get? Nothing. Tifa is not even shown in the ending, except in the photos on Cloud's desk, along with the rest of Cloud's friends.
Tifa didn’t need to be there because he was talking to her on the phone. Not to mention that he told her that he was going to be with her and the children after he was done with his delivery.
.[.pink.spider.]. And, in front of those photos are some of the yellow flowers from the exact flower field Aerith was standing in. Also, scattered all over the desk are photos of that same flower field. What does this tell us? That Cloud is visiting that particular flower field very often. And, more than likely, he is visiting with Aerith there. With this scene we know that Cloud has figured out where the Promised Land is and, as he vowed at the end of FFVII, he has found a way to meet Aerith once again.
This is dumb. First of all he never vowed to meet her there all he said is that “I think I can meet her there.” I didn’t here a vow in there. Not to mention that the promises land is the life stream. The only way he could get there is if he died. Second, So he get some flowers in Aeris’s remembrance. Again he loved her but that doesn’t mean he was in love with her. Not to mention that the he has two pictures of Tifa and the kids when he only has a small bokay of flowers for Aeris.
.[.pink.spider.]. How exactly does this have anything to do with Tifa? Cloud was not shown riding back to Seventh Heaven. And Tifa was not shown waiting apprehensively at the door to Seventh Heaven, as if awaiting Cloud's return. All that is shown is Cloud riding off alone toward a flower field that appears to be the same one that Aerith is in. Aerith, not Tifa.
First of all it’s not Aeris’s flower fields. Aeris is a sprit so she can be and appear wherever she wants and in any flower field she wants.
.[.pink.spider.]. Cloud has felt alone for the past two years, even with Tifa around. What makes you think that she would suddenly make him feel less alone?
Wrong. You forget that Cloud was only feeling alone recently. For the last two years he was living happily with Tifa and the children.
.[.pink.spider.]. Cloud finally realized that her spirit would be with him always and he can see her whenever he wants in the Promised Land. This is between Cloud and Aerith folks. Tifa is not even a factor here.
Wrong. Again Cloud is seen talking to her at the end telling her that he has the rest of the day off and that he was coming home soon.
.[.pink.spider.]. In the latest short, "Reminiscence", we get a chance to see what Cloud is up to post-AC. Is he shown at Seventh Heaven? No. Actually, he is out riding around alone. During this segment, Cloud receives phone calls from his friends regarding a package he is to pick up from Barret for Marlene and Denzel. Cloud is shown at various locations, talking with his friends and meeting with Barret. Barret gives Cloud a sign for his delivery service from Yuffie; it says "Temporarily Closed". The last call Cloud receives is from Tifa. Where is Cloud standing? You guessed it! The flower field! Here is Cloud's conversation with Tifa (you can only hear Cloud's part of the conversation):
Cloud: "Yes, this is he. The next delivery is just luggage to Midgar." So, NO, Cloud is not running home to Tifa, as you CloTis would like for me to believe. He is making a delivery to Midgar, not Edge (where Seventh Heaven is located).
"Is it a pickup or delivery? Then, no, turn it down." No, "how are you" or anything? He is just inquiring about his business? Geez, he treats Tifa like his secretary. Where the hell are you people finding romantic implications from this conversation?
Again for the third time you seemed to forget the part at the end when Cloud called Tifa and told her that he had the rest of the day off and that he would be coming back to see her and the kids when he was done.
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Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 6:27 pm
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Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 7:38 pm
RanmaXHikaru covered most of the stuff, so I think I don't really have to debate on anything. ^^;
But, I did want to point out, that when you, Pink, said that stuff about Tifa not really 'touching' Cloud, well the same thing like RanmaXHikaru said, can be said about your AerithXCloud statement. :/ Why didn't you counter about how Cloud smiled after seeing that both Aeris AND Zack left? ZackXCloud fans (I am one) could use that as valid CloudXZack evidence too, don't you think? You think Cloud turned away from Aeris because he didn't know what to say? Or perhaps, he had already finished what he WANTED to say. Why was the talking with Aeris so casual? If he loves her so deeply? When you talk about Tifa, like it was said, you make her seem like a bad person. She wasnt trying to demean Cloud, she was trying to help him. As I quoted eariler:
Cloud:I feel lighter now. I must of lost weight... all that dilly dally.
Tifa: *smiles*
Cloud TOOK Tifa's advice. Doesn't that mean something? It means SHE got through to him, she helped him start his healing process, and he listened. How does this prove that Tifa knows NOTHING about Cloud? Wikipedia IS a reliable source. It gives valid and unopiniated information, unlike the essays YOU were posting.
The Cloud wearing feminine jewlery thing is quite ridiculous. I don't think it was necessarily Cloud's ring, but maybe a ring that Cloud could of made for Tifa, or for AVALANCHE. And he DOES wear earrings, as stated, isn't that feminine? RanmaXHikaru covered pretty much of everything on that issue, so moving on...
Quote: Cloud who has lost the will to live and is shutting her out of this heart.
THIS is the really weird thing. When did Cloud EVER say he was shutting Tifa out of his heart? What actions made you think that? He came back for Tifa, he shared all of those moments with Tifa, and he still feels the need to protect her and even listened to her advice (Like I said) which got through his thick head.
You know what's so 'romantikalz'? All the moment that Cloud has had with Tifa--- don't even come in comparison to the times he's spent with Aeris, in my opinion. He only seemed to REALLY be into Aeris-- when she died. Can you prove me wrong on this? Because you are not giving any valid dialouge or scenes from the game on which you can relate your opinion to, and it's really frustrating! :O
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Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 2:55 am
I'm a 100% CloudxYuffie shipper, but that dosn't mean i'll flame all the other couples. I respect them too mrgreen
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Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 12:17 pm
Mizz Kisaragi I'm a 100% CloudxYuffie shipper, but that dosn't mean i'll flame all the other couples. I respect them too mrgreen Hell yeah Cloud and Yuffie are the s**t!!!! xd
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Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 9:33 pm
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Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 3:05 pm
I would like to add this in about some aspects of Pink's post, although I'm sure that they may have been covered now.
Tifa IS wearing Cloud's ring, which bears the same wolf that Cloud has on his earrings. The ring itself is for sale in the online goods store for Square-Enix, and if you can't see the detail clearly enough, then pay more attention to the ring and it's shape. It's not any sort of gem, I assure you. The details would probably be considerably more clearer if one used the actual DVD instead of a rip to get the screenshot, and if they got it at the right frame.
As for why Barret wears the ring on his left hand as opposed to his right... Well, he doesn't really have a hand to put it on. Only his left hand remains flesh, and his right one doubles as a weapon, meaning that everytime it changes form into his gatling gun, he's gonna loose that ring. Your comments about "OMG BarretxCloud is canon!" based on this is silly. It's only common sense for Barret to wear it on his left hand.
As for why he doesn't wear it on a chain like some characters might, well, that's his business, no? Or should I say, Nomura's business, since he's the designer.
Maybe Barret got tired of all those bling bling jokes... razz
Anyways, why do you assume that Cloud can't live happily with someone WHILE he can still remember and care for Aerith? The way I see things, he will NEVER forget her, and will always have a place for her inside his heart. However, Cloud isn't going to close himself off from anyone just because of this. If he did, Aerith would rise from her grave and give him a boot in the a**, so to speak. He doesn't have to end up with Tifa, Yuffie, or any other known character in the game. Contrary to what most fans see, the planet does consist of people, with a good portion of them female. Cloud can still love Aerith while loving someone else in the same way. Assuming that he can't or won't move on, or that he'll just forget about Aerith and love someone else are both absurd ideas. Love does not work that way.
As for the song "Calling," Nomura picked it because he felt it was fitting for the end of the movie. How the music flows and feels when played with the scenes of Cloud on his motor bike are fitting, and so are the lyrics. However, I wouldn't necessarily call this a Cleris music video, because the songs lyrics are more deeper than that. Love is not the sole focus of the song, but more of Cloud's journey to what he has finally become, and where he might go in life. Cloud is finally past his guilt, Jenova, and Sephiroth. He knows that Zack and Aerith do not blame him for their deaths, and that he shouldn't have been so emo over it in the first place.
Cloud is finally going to live his life the way he wants to, without being dragged down by his past. He will never forget his past, since that is what helped shape him into the man he is today, but he isnt' going to let the 'What if's' drag him down, either.
I wouldn't say Aerith is in the flower field, since I've always believed that she's everywhere. She'll be there to help guide Cloud if he needs it so that he doesn't have to be dragged down by his past. Aerith, being physically dead, is not limited to only places with flowers present, although that is where she tends to be shown (possibly due to her minor career as a flower girl). As for the character models being transposed over actual scenery, well, it's been done bunches of times before, but nobody ever really gave a big hoot about it. The animators just didn't feel like creating new models and maps for all the stuff shown in the credits, and since the models for the characters were already so realistic, why bother?
The credits, as I've seen it (you're free to disagree, as I'm sure you will) is more of showing Cloud's life having closure. Aerith has always been at the back of Cloud's mind at one time or another after her death, and finally Cloud is able to close another chapter in his life where he won't feel guilt or sadness everytime he thinks of her.
Even though the song is fitting, though, it wasn't made specifically for any Cloudxanyone pairing. This song has been around since the eighties, and fits Cloud himself more than Cloudxsomeone.
I wouldn't say Cloud has necessarily found the 'Promised Land,' but more that he is finally at peace with himself. Or perhaps, the Promised Land isn't so much of a place for Cloud, so much as it may be something else, like a state of mind.
However, there was more to the conversation between Cloud and Tifa on the phone. Here is what was said...
Cloud: "Yeah, it's me. All I've got left are the Midgar deliveries. Why, did a client come in?"
Cloud: "Tell them no. I'm taking tomorrow off."
Cloud: "No reason. *pause* Hey, Tifa. Can you close the bar tomorrow?"
Cloud: "That was easy. Okay. Tell Denzel and Marlene."
Cloud: "I'll see you later."
Basically, you only took the first part of the conversation, and went off from there without including the rest. Just because Cloud has to make some deliveries to Midgar doesn't mean that he isnt' going right back to Edge once he's done. Just because Cloud is in the flower field where Aerith's model was transposed over in the ending credits of Final Fantasy VII doesn't mean that he's thinking about her constantly whenever he's there. The way that I saw it, it was more of his private place to think, or a place to take his break.
Now do you see why people can see romantic undertones in that conversation? Please don't ignore the other parts of the conversation because you find them 'unimportant' or pointless. To say that because Tifa helps Cloud out with his clients in this manner makes Tifa something like his secretary (and apparently, not a love interest at all) is just as absurd as saying a stay at home mother/wife is like a slave, dong the cooking and cleaning, and because of that must not be loved by her husband.
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Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 7:48 am
I think that Cloud loved both.
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Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 6:15 pm
He liked Aeries, but he shoulda gotten with Tifa....Well, we all know he shoulda jumped out of the screen and gotten with me, but whatever. rolleyes
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Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 7:05 am
RanmaxHikaru Mizz Kisaragi I'm a 100% CloudxYuffie shipper, but that dosn't mean i'll flame all the other couples. I respect them too mrgreen Hell yeah Cloud and Yuffie are the s**t!!!! xd DAMN RIGHT!!! scream !! heart heart
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