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 Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 12:22 pm
Thanks for thinking my post was awesome, tiki_boyX2. And what Emily`s_Gone_Mad said makes sense too. Religion is based on faith in things we cannot prove or see.
Think about this: were there radio waves before there were radios?
And dizzy, that was a good point, and a funny story. People who try to push their religion too strongly on others can give any religion a bad name.
As for my own novel thought today: What does keep religion and science so far apart? I came up with an idea while thinking of that most famous of debates - evolution versus creationism. I beleive in creationsim in a philisophical sort of way - I have faith in a creator and don't think everything I see could be random chance. But I am against creationism entering science classes in schools, because true or not, creationsism is not science. Pondering this, I relaized that what really creates the rift between the two isn't differing beliefs, such as whether the earth is 6 thousand or 6 billion years old but rather a profound difference in the philosophy of the two. Science is completely objective. Scientists in priciple should not hold preconceived beliefs about scientific theories they are testing. Also science cannot include untestable variable such as God. This excludes religious elements from science. Religion on the other hand requires faith in things which are ultimately untestable, so religion cannot really be scientifically proven.
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Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 4:50 pm
This is an age old debate that will continue to be fought till the end of time, and time and time again they will come to the exact same arguements saying "What about this... I know but have you thought about this" While it is good to exchange ideas between both Religion and Science.. it is best at some points to agree to disagree.
Creationist/religion will always argue - How do all these organisms in their infinant complexity just so happen to appear... Balanced ecosystems and food chains.. how are such things to have evolved into such a balance without a hand to guide it.
Evolutionist/Science will always argue - how can you base all of your facts off of a single ancient text.
Both sides provide good arguements... but the they explain their points in completely different ways. Science will always use statistics based upon tested hypothesis... Religion will always use faith, feelings, and intuition to justify their points...
It is very clear that Science and Religion are not meant to describe the same exact things... While one shows light where the others candle cannot reach. Both need to be used to better understand the world, how and why it was created.
To a comment I read on a previous page about religion being the root of wars. The only thing that causes pointless bloodshed is humanities innumerable flaws. While some people are passivists, there are indeed those out there that think wars cure all problems... The only thing to blame for the bloodshed is human ignorance. Remember.. while there were wars faught over religions, science helped create weapons used (ex, trebuchet, assult rifles, atom bombs).
I think at this point in time we need to set aside the differences between religion and science. Religion can help us better understand love and hate.. teach us to be selfless and caring towards one another.. Science can help cure diseases and create a better world for us to live in. Both are need just not in the exact some way.
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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 11:06 am
I think there isnt an answer... my opinion is that science is better because with religion you can think all you want but there is no full blown proof. which is one of the reasons i dont believe in any religion.... i feel as though it is a bunch of lies... it might work for other people but it never worked for me... "God" never helped me... but science does... i never learned anything from "god" but i have learned things from science..... so.. yah... i'm not going to go to far into it though
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Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 5:57 pm
Emily`s_Gone_Mad I don't think anyone will ever find any kind of proofs for "God" and when and if ...we ever do...then I guess he woudln't be "God anymore...?
I don't know if anyone has seen The Hitchhikers guide to the Galexy..but they have some extra's in there and I thought this one thing was soo cool.
You know that fish that they stick in Arthurs ear, well the little extra they had was about how that fish proved God's existance.
I don't remeber it too well, but I thought it was funny and thought there was truth to it.
I'll see if I can find it on youtube or something and link it.
I thought this was great!
((no offence to anyone))
Here is the link
]http://youtube.com/watch?v=dcncPpQ8loA
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Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 2:18 pm
There is no way to prove or disprove that god (or gods) exists or doesn't exist. Religion and science can go together and are compatible with each other. Religion is about believing and having faith while science gives us answers as to how so and so happens or how this came to be supported by scientific evidence.
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Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 5:48 pm
I know its science because science is universal, religioin is manmade.
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Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 5:47 am
Besides merely being compatible or incompatible I think science and religion influence eachother profoundly. Admittedly I would say science influences religion more because science is objective, but religion can influence science on ethical grounds. Anyway, my point is that I think that science affects the way people think about God and religion. After I had the idea for this post idea I struggled with how to bring it up because I knew it would be opening a can of worms (okay, a bigger can of worms). But I feel it's my right to discuss my beliefs, so here I go...
Suppose you are given the choice between believing in two gods. The first god is all powerful; omniscient, omnipresent, omnipotent. The second god is powerful, but much less so than the first. The second god is limited by his own nature and by laws of physics. Which god is it better to believe in?
I would say it is better to believe in the second god. The first god is unrealistic and therefore unreal. The second god is realistic. Imagine these classic arguments:
1. If God is all powerful and all loving then why does he let bad things happen?
2. Can God create a rock so heavy not even he can lift it?
People use arguments like those above to disprove God. Do they? I would say it depends on what kind of God you believe in. It is easy to disprove the first God because that Gos is not realistic. Nevertheless many people seem to believe in the first God out of a feeling of need to consider God in the highest imaginable possible level.
As a religious person I do beleive in God. I would rather believe in a very powerful real god than an all powerful imaginary god. That is my belief in God. And now I have said what I wanted to say, so everyone have at me.
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Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 2:35 pm
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Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 11:39 pm
Science. I'm an atheist. stare
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Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 9:35 pm
@ Emiliy, I love that!
hahaha
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Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 9:05 pm
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Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2007 4:18 pm
sbpoofer Wellll... I think that there is not right or wrong for either - science could be used to support religion - - or not support it... blaugh So like with most everything different prevails. Pick a side... I personally have a very strong spiritual faith in "God" and some of the philosophies and beliefs that I have been exposed to - including Christianity - Judism - Budism - but I also find science fascinating... I think that Religion is more of a history and science topic than not and should not be viewed as Science vs. Religion - but as how can religion be examined along with science. 3nodding Have you seen the movie - "What the bleep do we know?" confused xd Break down matter into atoms - then break down atoms - into energy - "ideas - thoughts" and so ultimately there is not matter - only the thought of it - Can we control matter with our minds? Can we shape the world through thought? rolleyes your stupid.
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Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 6:38 pm
I personally think that science is factual. It has solid evidence to support claims. There are some things that are harder to prove, but not all of science clashes with religious beliefs. If you burn silver oxide, you're going to be left with silver. There really is no disputing that.
When it comes to moral rightness.. That's entirely up to the individual to decide. I have issues with organized religion, but I'm in no ways trying to insult people who believe in things that I don't. Anyway, I was spoonfed Bible scripture since I could first comprehend speech. I was taught to pray every night. Yet, even as a child, I often questioned some things. I never questioned the existence of God (and even now I believe that there is some divine force out there), but I found myself asking, "If God loves me so much, why did he give bees stingers to hurt me with?" My mom told me that Lucifer gave bees stingers, which made me wondering more things. Doesn't the Bible say that God created the heavens and the Earth? To my knowledge, it doesn't say that Lucifer had any part in it. I also thought of crickets, cats and humans and wondered how anything could create so many diverse lifeforms. Where did he get the idea for organs, for animal instinct, color vision, human intelligence.. And why did he make his beloved creations eat one another? Why did we get sick and die? Again, my mother told me that disease is the work of the Devil. It just didn't make sense to me.
When I was 12 and life was craptastic, I stopped believing. I stopped praying to a god that didn't help me when I needed it most, and that didn't seem to exist anyway. When I was 14, I took my first biology class and was introduced to my hero, Darwin. Everything makes sense now. Three years later, and my mother still doesn't know to what extent I stopped believing. She's still uber-Christian and wouldn't understand if I told her. She'd try to save my soul or tell me that it's all propaganda and that evolution is what "they" want you to think happened.
I'm not quite atheist. I balance science with spirituality a bit, but I don't let any sort of divine spirit rule my life and tell me what's right or wrong. I was given judgment of my own for a reason.
Yes, I can be quite wordy. I hate giving one-line responses.
So, what is "Christian Science," exactly? If you're a Christian chemist or meteorologist you should be okay, but it definitely clashes with any sort of life science, and even a lot of geological science. It confuses and frightens me. sad SS4 Gogeta Forever sbpoofer Wellll... I think that there is not right or wrong for either - science could be used to support religion - - or not support it... blaugh So like with most everything different prevails. Pick a side... I personally have a very strong spiritual faith in "God" and some of the philosophies and beliefs that I have been exposed to - including Christianity - Judism - Budism - but I also find science fascinating... I think that Religion is more of a history and science topic than not and should not be viewed as Science vs. Religion - but as how can religion be examined along with science. 3nodding Have you seen the movie - "What the bleep do we know?" confused xd Break down matter into atoms - then break down atoms - into energy - "ideas - thoughts" and so ultimately there is not matter - only the thought of it - Can we control matter with our minds? Can we shape the world through thought? rolleyes your stupid.
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Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 12:42 am
Emily`s_Gone_Mad Science and religion don't have to colide.
The goal of science is to explain the physical world through hypothesis, observation, and experiment; religion explains the supernatural.
Of course there are things in religion that have been disproved or for better terms (as to not offend anyone) offered another explination.
The Bible was written in what 1445 B.C
The creation of this world appeared supernatural and people created an explination.
You can believe in science and still be religious.
"Science without religion is lame; religion without science is blind." —Albert Einstein
They don't have to cancel eachother out.
Evolution and religion can coexist
Evolution doesn't disprove God.
Evolution could very well be a tool of God's.
Like other scientists of faith, Primack, who is Jewish and reads the Bible regularly, argues that the Bible must not be taken literally, but should be read allegorically.
"One simply cannot read the Bible as a scientific text, because it's often contradictory," Primack said. "For example, in the Bible, Noah takes two animals and puts them on the Ark. But in a later section, he takes seven pairs of animals. If this is the literal word of God, was God confused when He wrote it?"
-source Thank you catz. as a Christian I think its nice that you back up both. I do believe in science but not things like "the big boom" and other things. I mean, how could humans be possibly made of rock??? Its just silly.
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Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 11:54 pm
since my best friend said she doesn't believe in God, I kinda started to follow her path...But i still believe in him,even though scientist have answers to almost everything... whee
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