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 Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 6:28 pm
Mcphee I'm so damn glad that it's finally official. Of course, it was already kind of legal everywhere, because provinces spearheaded their own initiatives, but now they're going to be making it legal in the Territories, and Alberta. I'm especially glad about Alberta, because those guys were really resisting it.
quote from Alberta MP: "This is just a continuation of the moral degradation that began with homosexuality being decriminalized in the 60's." Of course, I'm kind of paraphrasing, but it's been a long and hard fight to get here.
Trudeau definitely helped us in the 60s, and other parties since then have helped us.
The only kind of shitty thing is, is that if Harper becomes PM, he plans to re-examine the bill. And by re-examine, you know he means trash. And he also wants it to be put to a free vote.
Yeah. Sure. I'm an Albertan... But I'm not for or against gay marrige.. I'm kind of nuteral when it comes to that. It doesn't personally affect who I am because that's not my lifestyle, but I know alot of bi/gay/lez people, and I wouldn't think twice of treating them any different then any of my other friends.
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Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 7:01 pm
i honestly dislike it- i mean, they should not force a church to marry a couple, and the two should be seperate... i mean, the church has it's rules, the state cannot simply tell them to change that. if it's a government doccument, i don't care. if they aren't hurting others, i could not honestly care less. i'm liberal like that- as long as you're not hurting anyone or anything (gotta include the animals and historic landmarks) than i don't care what you do with yourself.
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Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 7:43 pm
divineseraph i honestly dislike it- i mean, they should not force a church to marry a couple, and the two should be seperate... i mean, the church has it's rules, the state cannot simply tell them to change that. if it's a government doccument, i don't care. if they aren't hurting others, i could not honestly care less. i'm liberal like that- as long as you're not hurting anyone or anything (gotta include the animals and historic landmarks) than i don't care what you do with yourself. Generally, the people supporting gay marriage -do not- support forcing churchs to sanction gay marriages. I don't. As you said, that's against "Seperation of church and state." But church isn't the only place you can get married, and, as it is, if you are homosexual, you can't get married even if the church would allow it.
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Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 7:20 am
divineseraph i honestly dislike it- i mean, they should not force a church to marry a couple, and the two should be seperate... i mean, the church has it's rules, the state cannot simply tell them to change that. if it's a government doccument, i don't care. if they aren't hurting others, i could not honestly care less. i'm liberal like that- as long as you're not hurting anyone or anything (gotta include the animals and historic landmarks) than i don't care what you do with yourself.
There are 2 different churches that join the gay pride parade here in Halifax as well.
Churches are protected under the Charter of Rights and Freedoms just as much as gay marriage should be. I am 100% for gay marriage, however I would be strongly opposing anyone who tried to force a church to marry anyone.
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Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 9:28 am
Beware the Jabberwock divineseraph i honestly dislike it- i mean, they should not force a church to marry a couple, and the two should be seperate... i mean, the church has it's rules, the state cannot simply tell them to change that. if it's a government doccument, i don't care. if they aren't hurting others, i could not honestly care less. i'm liberal like that- as long as you're not hurting anyone or anything (gotta include the animals and historic landmarks) than i don't care what you do with yourself. Shocking! Gay friendly? With a name like that? xd
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Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 6:03 am
I am opposed to marrieg a homo sexual marrige with in a church. I honostly can't condone it.
How ever, looking around I've found that I can't oppose gay marriage out right. I'm for the union of two same sex people, giving them the same rights as a "real" couple.
The statements I hear form both the cotholic and protestant churches I find appualing. There are indeed some people who are born gay. A horomon imbalance in most cases, one that can't be corrected. Anita has it, she has an abnormaly high level of testatoron. Because of this she is more attracted to women then men.
After I've seen the proof, I beilive there are some who are born gay, and thus God made them that way, or allowed them to develop that way once creatign them. I'm not sure, I don't beiliv ien the CLock Maker thoery so I do beilive God has made some homosexuals the way they are. Because of this I'm still devide don whether a church shoudl or should not marry a gay couple, for now, uintill I can personly work somthgin out, I'm apposed to it....But I still wonder how many are gay by choice, and are gay because of a physicle condition.
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Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 10:47 am
Pyrotechnic Oracle I am opposed to marrieg a homo sexual marrige with in a church. I honostly can't condone it. How ever, looking around I've found that I can't oppose gay marriage out right. I'm for the union of two same sex people, giving them the same rights as a "real" couple. The statements I hear form both the cotholic and protestant churches I find appualing. There are indeed some people who are born gay. A horomon imbalance in most cases, one that can't be corrected. Anita has it, she has an abnormaly high level of testatoron. Because of this she is more attracted to women then men. After I've seen the proof, I beilive there are some who are born gay, and thus God made them that way, or allowed them to develop that way once creatign them. I'm not sure, I don't beiliv ien the CLock Maker thoery so I do beilive God has made some homosexuals the way they are. Because of this I'm still devide don whether a church shoudl or should not marry a gay couple, for now, uintill I can personly work somthgin out, I'm apposed to it....But I still wonder how many are gay by choice, and are gay because of a physicle condition. Well, who are you to say what someone else's church does, though? Not all churches are even Christian, after all. Why should your opinion of Christian beliefs decide whether Hindus, or Muslims, or Buddists, or whatever marry homosexuals? And, for your information, the Catholic Church does not teach that having homosexual tendencies is a bad thing, they teach that acting on those tendencies is. It's like, some people have a tendency to be more violent. But acting on those tendencies is usually bad.
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Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 11:48 am
I.Am Pyrotechnic Oracle I am opposed to marrieg a homo sexual marrige with in a church. I honostly can't condone it. How ever, looking around I've found that I can't oppose gay marriage out right. I'm for the union of two same sex people, giving them the same rights as a "real" couple. The statements I hear form both the cotholic and protestant churches I find appualing. There are indeed some people who are born gay. A horomon imbalance in most cases, one that can't be corrected. Anita has it, she has an abnormaly high level of testatoron. Because of this she is more attracted to women then men. After I've seen the proof, I beilive there are some who are born gay, and thus God made them that way, or allowed them to develop that way once creatign them. I'm not sure, I don't beiliv ien the CLock Maker thoery so I do beilive God has made some homosexuals the way they are. Because of this I'm still devide don whether a church shoudl or should not marry a gay couple, for now, uintill I can personly work somthgin out, I'm apposed to it....But I still wonder how many are gay by choice, and are gay because of a physicle condition. Well, who are you to say what someone else's church does, though? Not all churches are even Christian, after all. Why should your opinion of Christian beliefs decide whether Hindus, or Muslims, or Buddists, or whatever marry homosexuals? And, for your information, the Catholic Church does not teach that having homosexual tendencies is a bad thing, they teach that acting on those tendencies is. It's like, some people have a tendency to be more violent. But acting on those tendencies is usually bad. DOn't be silly. You know I mean christian churches. I coudl argue linquistiks (Masq, Synagog, Temple or what ever the hindus and Budhist call their riligious houses.). but that too is just silly since the mass majority of peopel will knwo that when I say "church" I mean "christian" Also, I'm abou fed up with your attitude, constantly acusing me of saying "how it is" when I'm only giving my opinoin. ANd that is exactly what I'm talkign about. That is the kind of speech I find appualing. You ar enot God, your church is not God. SOme homosexuals ar eindeed physicly born the way they are, my conclusion is that God created them that way and desighned their life style to be the way it is. Who are you to say whether they shoudl or should not act on it? I'm startign to beleive that we are interpriting leviticus wrong.
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Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 12:35 pm
Pyrotechnic Oracle I.Am Well, who are you to say what someone else's church does, though? Not all churches are even Christian, after all. Why should your opinion of Christian beliefs decide whether Hindus, or Muslims, or Buddists, or whatever marry homosexuals? And, for your information, the Catholic Church does not teach that having homosexual tendencies is a bad thing, they teach that acting on those tendencies is. It's like, some people have a tendency to be more violent. But acting on those tendencies is usually bad. DOn't be silly. You know I mean christian churches. I coudl argue linquistiks (Masq, Synagog, Temple or what ever the hindus and Budhist call their riligious houses.). but that too is just silly since the mass majority of peopel will knwo that when I say "church" I mean "christian" I'm not being silly, you said that "They should not be married in a church," by which I took it to mean any religions place of gathering, because you sounded to me like you were implying that they should not be "married," but rather only have a legal union that gives them the same rights. Quote: Also, I'm abou fed up with your attitude, constantly acusing me of saying "how it is" when I'm only giving my opinoin. ANd that is exactly what I'm talkign about. That is the kind of speech I find appualing. You ar enot God, your church is not God. SOme homosexuals ar eindeed physicly born the way they are, my conclusion is that God created them that way and desighned their life style to be the way it is. Who are you to say whether they shoudl or should not act on it? I'm startign to beleive that we are interpriting leviticus wrong. I didn't say that you were saying the way it is, you were, however, saying the way it should be! And the only thing that I told you was the "Way it is" is the Catholic church's beliefs on homosexuallity. That's all! ! I didn't say that other churches couldn't have other beliefs! How is it an attitude to tell you what my religion believes? You said that our beliefs are appauling, I figured I'd tell you what they are and make sure you at least found our -real- beliefs appauling! As I said, I disagree that "God made them the way they are, so we shouldn't tell them whether or not to do it." "God made" some people violent, should they go out and attack people? "God made" some people attracted to children, should they pursue children in a sexual manner? "God made" some people this that and the other thing, but it doesn't mean that their acting according to these tendencies is good! Some people are born with down syndrome. Does that make it a good thing? No. Some people are born with chemical imbalances that make them insane. Is that a good thing? No. Some people are born with chemical imbalances that make them more prone to kill other people. Does that make it acceptable? No.And remember, I'm Pro-Gay marriage, I just have a problem with the fact that you are saying that my Church's teachings are "appauling." I'm not trying to say at all that "My religion is right and everyone should bow down to the Pope and do as he says." But I am saying that this is what my religion believes, respect that fact. And I believe that, since it doesn't hurt anyone, I have no right to tell people outside my religion what to do. But if you are part of my religion, then you should follow our beliefs!
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Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 1:02 pm
Start askign me what I mean if you are unsure instead o simply assuming. I ******** hate it when peopel do that. They don't know what I mean and instead of passing on a courtesy and askign what I mean they assume.
You arguments are for correctable psycological problems, as for those that are so psychlogicly gone, we try to provide a human place for them to live where they can't hurt themselves or those around them. SOme homosexuals are both mentaly and physicly attracted to the same sex. Anita is one of them. My fiance has a horomonal imbalance, she has a much higher tesatoron level then is normal for a woman. Because of this, she is physcile and mentaly attracted to woman more then she is men.
I also never said it was a good thing. But I never said it was a bad thing. And I'll ask again. WHo the HELL is your church to tell them the way they can and can't act?
I'm gogin to say this once, I Am. I am not part of your riligion. Your beleifes and my beleifes are diffrent. I am not Catholic. I am not Protostent. I am Christian. There are only a few things I trully accept. The birth, death, and resurection of Christ, The Genesis account, and Revolation. The rest I am still reading, so I have no opinoin on. I am christion, I certainly hope you are not saying that Catholocism is christianity, because its not, it only part of it, and I in no why have to beleife the same christianity you do.
Got a problem with that? Well, the only adivce I can offer for that right now is to simply get over it.
And just remember. "In every thign take joy, for it is the will of God." Thats another beleife I like. It means there are no uncertainties, every thing is His plan.
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Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 2:40 pm
If I stopped at every point where I wasn't exactly sure what you were saying, Pyro, I would never get to make a post making a point. Because I was absolutely certain I knew what you were saying here.
We have to make some assumptions; I can't read your mind. And I ******** hate it when people make a post that says one thing, and then make the ascertation that they mean another. Or when they ASSUME that you are ASSUMING without reading your whole post!
Those diseases are not correctable. It is said that ***** and rapists never get better; Why else would there be a database of sex offenders?
My Church is my Church. Who the hell is my church to tell them not to have sex with children? Or marry multiple wives? Or have sex with unwilling women? Or murder people they don't like?
And let me repeat myself: I NEVER SAID THAT YOU COULDN'T BELIEVE WHATEVER THE HELL YOU LIKE! All I said was that this is what MY religion believes! I NEVER said that Catholicism was the only Christian denomination, I NEVER said that the other Christian denominations had to follow what Catholics believe!
If it annoys you so much for other people to make assumptions about your posts, how about you learn to not make assumptions about other people's posts? In fact, how about you learn to READ the whole post, before replying, because I said in BOTH of the posts that I was ONLY talking about Catholicism!
The only problem I have is with the fact that you refuse to read the whole thing, and just ASSUME that I said what you want me to have said.
As for that last part, what the hell does that have to do with anything? Yes, that's great advice. And I listen to it, believe you me. What will be will be and all that crap; Get over the bad stuff in life, no use crying over spilt milk. So what?
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Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 3:30 pm
Okay guys let's calm down.
I know this is a touchy subject, especially for two Christian's, but let's remember that it's just a subject.
Personally, I know I was born with feelings towards other girls. When I was younger I kept telling myself it wasn't true and it was just a faze and that I would get over it, there was nothing in me that wanted what I was feeling it was just there, and it scared me and it upset me because I just wanted to be normal like everyone else. I was lucky though, my friend Danielle (Kaylee's mom) had come out to being bi before I did and so I at least knew that I had someone, she felt like she had no one when she came out and the first person she came out to told her how disgusting she was.
Also I.Am I really don't like it when people compare homosexuals to people who beat the s**t out of each other, or kill other people or people who molest children. It's an action between two consenting adults, and whether it's right or wrong in a biblical context is debated, and you're entitled to believe it's wrong but to put me on par with someone who molests children is kinda hurtful.
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Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 11:06 pm
I think he meant it like, Just because someone is born a certain way doesn't make it automatically acceptable. The same sort of judgements are made about people born with different skin color, sex, etc. The difference is that the Catholic Church doesn't see visiting Africa or wearing a skirt as a sin. It does see acting on homosexuallity as a sin, though, and to them it goes into the same category as, "Born this way but shouldn't act on it." It was an extreme example to illustrate the point, I think.
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Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 3:34 pm
Well, I dont care as much about whether it is leagalized or not because it doesn't apply to me.
I have mixed feeling on it though. I feel that a relationship should be between a man and a woman. But I am not against same sex lovers.
There are 2 definitions of gay.
Being gay because your friends are and society approves of it. Or being gay because thats the way you were born.
I disapprove of the first definition I gave. I am absolutly against that type of gay.
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Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 7:09 am
Ri-san Well, I dont care as much about whether it is leagalized or not because it doesn't apply to me. I have mixed feeling on it though. I feel that a relationship should be between a man and a woman. But I am not against same sex lovers. There are 2 definitions of gay. Being gay because your friends are and society approves of it. Or being gay because thats the way you were born. I disapprove of the first definition I gave. I am absolutly against that type of gay.
Anyone who "decided" to be gay is either lying, or just simply foolish.
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