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 Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 3:12 pm
*eats popcorn*
This is amusing. biggrin
*shares popcorn with peeps*
And now, to be semi-productive (this will probably be weak sauce, since I've never been part of a shipping war before O: ).
I used to be Kataang, but after some personal experience, I kinda drifted. However, I absolutely despise this reason people give against Kataang:
"Aang's to immature for Katara! And too young!"
Somehow, it seems as though people don't get the concept of characters aging. Aang will get older and more mature, especially since he'll have to go through more avatar training/wisdom. And who knows, after all of the avatar training he could become quite the hottie. wink
I also hate the reason that it's "too cliche."
I find it incredibly ironic, because Zutara is also incredibly cliche as well, so Zutara fans using it against Kataangs is a case of the pot calling the kettle black.
...I dunno what else to say. ninja
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Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 7:43 am
~My Cherie Amour~ *eats popcorn* This is amusing. biggrin *shares popcorn with peeps* And now, to be semi-productive (this will probably be weak sauce, since I've never been part of a shipping war before O: ). I used to be Kataang, but after some personal experience, I kinda drifted. However, I absolutely despise this reason people give against Kataang: "Aang's to immature for Katara! And too young!" Somehow, it seems as though people don't get the concept of characters aging. Aang will get older and more mature, especially since he'll have to go through more avatar training/wisdom. And who knows, after all of the avatar training he could become quite the hottie. wink I also hate the reason that it's "too cliche." I find it incredibly ironic, because Zutara is also incredibly cliche as well, so Zutara fans using it against Kataangs is a case of the pot calling the kettle black. ...I dunno what else to say. ninja
So, are you saying that Aang is to Katara what Katara is to Zuko in terms of age? (Did that make any sense? Let me reiterate >.<) I mean, is your point that there is an age difference between Katara and Zuko, just as there is between Katara and Aang? I'm not exactly sure how that supposedly nullifies the argument against Kataang and for Zutara, but whatever. Either way, Aang isn't going to suddenly mature overnight, therefore your argument is a little weak. I mean, we only have one season left for him to mature in, and I think that's a stretch.
Yes, I know that many Zutarians like to use the argument that Kataang is "too cliche." I'm sure you hear it so often that you're sick of it. While it is not a good argument for or against either pairing, there is a nugget of truth in the statement "Kataang is cliche." It is. Kataang is what's bound to happen, it's been supported from the start, and it's dreadfully boring. While any argument solely based on the cliche-ness of a given pairing does not belong in a serious discussion, when one is commenting on why one likes a given pairing, then it's perfectly acceptable. I'm not really catching the "cliche" of Zutara, however. Maybe it's cliche in fanon, but in canon I can't see it at all. Please enlighten me biggrin
>.< Phew. I decided not to be too harsh since it's your first time ship-warring (Look! A new verb!).
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Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 7:18 pm
Of Ninjas and Pirates >.< Phew. I decided not to be too harsh since it's your first time ship-warring (Look! A new verb!). Thank you for that. xd Of Ninjas and Pirates So, are you saying that Aang is to Katara what Katara is to Zuko in terms of age? (Did that make any sense? Let me reiterate >.<) I mean, is your point that there is an age difference between Katara and Zuko, just as there is between Katara and Aang? I'm not exactly sure how that supposedly nullifies the argument against Kataang and for Zutara, but whatever. Either way, Aang isn't going to suddenly mature overnight, therefore your argument is a little weak. I mean, we only have one season left for him to mature in, and I think that's a stretch. Not exactly my point that the age difference is similar, but more along the lines of when people say "Aang's too young/immature," it sounds like he'll never grow or something. I'm in agreement that by the time the show ends, Aang probably won't be old/mature/temtping enough for Katara, but that's why I kind of ship it for outside-canon (if there is any shipping going on at all ninja ). Of Ninjas and Pirates Yes, I know that many Zutarians like to use the argument that Kataang is "too cliche." I'm sure you hear it so often that you're sick of it. While it is not a good argument for or against either pairing, there is a nugget of truth in the statement "Kataang is cliche." It is. Kataang is what's bound to happen, it's been supported from the start, and it's dreadfully boring. While any argument solely based on the cliche-ness of a given pairing does not belong in a serious discussion, when one is commenting on why one likes a given pairing, then it's perfectly acceptable. I'm not really catching the "cliche" of Zutara, however. Maybe it's cliche in fanon, but in canon I can't see it at all. Please enlighten me biggrin I do agree that Kataang is cliche. But in any respect, I guess most pairings are cliche, since there's been many years of writing. However, I find it ironic when people use it (kind of like "O rly? Have you seen what you're shipping?"). When I say Zutara is cliche, I mean that it's premise is used a lot. You know the basic types of male-female interactions in the media: -the best friends getting together, even if they've known each other since birth and therefore are like brother and sister yet it's somehow not creepy (what angry bias? ninja ) -the good girl/bad boy angle (the girl tries to tame the beast inside the sad, misunderstood boy). It can be bad girl, good boy but those tend to be done less. -the hero/protagonist gets the girl (I guess this one is Kataang) -the romeo and juliet angle (two lovers most fight against their feuding families to be together) -the enemies-turn-lovers angle (branch of romeo and juliet); you know how in shows there's always the two people arguing, yet you know they like each other but they're both too stubborn to admit it? Yeah, that. Zutara kind of mixes the last two, along with some of the good girl/bad boy-ness. And not that I have a general problem with these cliches, but they have such large chance of going incredibly wrong on so many levels, especially for characters like Zuko and Katara, who are so well-rounded and human-like. Like, for example, as compassionate as Katara is, she is also rather stubborn and can be a bit "my way or the highway" (Northern water tribe saying women can't partake in waterbending combat, for example). I don't know how much of Zuko's anger she can really take. Plus, seeing that her nature is like that, I don't know how well she can really relate to Zuko. The Fire nation's customs of honor and "i keel joo 4 teh title!!11one" are a far cry from the "family and community" thing the water tribe has going on (heck, Ozai tried to sell out his own friggin brother). So, she would probably find much of the things that make Zuko the angst-churner rather strange, and probably not really respect. And seeing how Zuko seems to respect his nation/customs highly (even if it did kick his arse), culture clash would be very likely and not pretty, even if they both have mothers that the "fire nation took away". Whoa, how'd I get on that tangent? My bad. sweatdrop
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Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 11:20 am
Phew. This may not make any sense, because I'm really tired and a little out of it, but here goes.
Firstly, you're welcome. biggrin Quote: Not exactly my point that the age difference is similar, but more along the lines of when people say "Aang's too young/immature," it sounds like he'll never grow or something. I'm in agreement that by the time the show ends, Aang probably won't be old/mature/temtping enough for Katara, but that's why I kind of ship it for outside-canon (if there is any shipping going on at all ninja ).
I do agree that he will grow older eventually. I just don't think there's any time in one season for him to become old enough for this pairing to be cannon.
(I'm not going to quote that whole point about cliche-ness, so just bear with me here.)
I do believe that there would be no way to have any sort of romantic pairing without it being cliche. You're right, it's all been done before (To sum up that whole explanation of pairings. >.<)
What makes pairings interesting now is the details. There is nothing altogether that interesting about Kataang. It's totally expected, and there are no little cutesy facts that make it fun or interesting.
I guess I can say that I support Zutara because it's interesting. I love that whole love/hate relationship. I just can't get enough of it. (This from the girl who ships both RoyEd from FMA, as well as SasuNaru and KakaSaku from Naruto.) To me, it's more interesting. There's an aspect of confusion and doubt. It's a story that, while it may have been done before, has so many elements different from the norm that it becomes interesting.
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Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 1:19 pm
Ok, I am a faithful KataraXaang shipper (I do not, however, identify is a "Katangian" or...whatever it is..xD I also hate the use of the word Katang....) Anyways...the age thing...Look at it this way. The age of marriage in the Avatar world is 16. By then, people are considered Men and Women, not teens. Furthermore, its not like you just turn 16 and POP your considered an adult, but growth happend before that time. Also...Im assuming katara is only 14-15, 3 years isnt that bad. Not in THIER terms, atleast. Gotta think in thier box, not ours.... The reason I like KataraXAang is it just seems to fit. They seem like a puzzle, almost. They are so good for eachother. Even though Aang's powers can be scary sometimes, Katara always reaches out to him from the avatar state, pulls him back to this world. She always makes sure he is OK first, even making fun of Sokkas instincts to make Aang feel a bit better about having to walk...("Jet"). I personally think they were -meant- to be together. -She- went got him out of the iceberg. She has been pushing and inspiring his strength, How? because he loves and cares about her. And not just as a friend. When he tells the guru "Why would I give up katara for cosmic energy?" The power to control the Avatar state. She has created bravery and confidence in him, countless times when he's been scared,hurt, or sad. She has been there for almost everything going on in his life since he got out of the iceberg... Yeah, ZukoxKatara is interesting, but it would probably be more of a heated, firey, love/hate, soap opera style relationship...KataraXAang is to me pure, unconditional love. And as for doubts for if the KataraxAang thing is even happening..... Michael Dante Di Martino and Brian Konietzko, in an interview with Robert Moscoe of Avatarspirit.net RM: Okay...shipping. ALL: (laughter) RM: I have never seen shipping take on a life of its own as I have with the fans of Avatar. What do you think of all this? BK: I think it's important to note one thing I have heard from the internet is that some fans have the idea we've put shipping into the show because they've asked for it...requested it. This is totally not the case. Mike and I like to do melodrama stuff and we wanted that in there. Not that it's all cheesy, but we wanted that from the get-go. Five years ago when we were developing this. MDD: Yeah, Aang-Katara, that romance. Some stuff developed along the way, and we're glad some fans are more receptive to that element of the show, but it was in the DNA of the thing from the start. Also, in the unaired Pilot of avatar, the first episode ever, there is even some KataraXAang moments....
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Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 3:37 pm
Holy someone-didn't-bother-to-read-any-of-the-other-posts-in-this-thread, Batman!
I mean, seriously. Bring up some new points, okay? Supporting your points with real, bona fide facts is also a nice addition to any argument. It makes us more likely to take you seriously.
Good for you. You're a Kataanger whether you like it or not, however, if you support the pairing of Aang and Katara.
Your first point was poorly laid out and made very little sense. Where, pray tell, did you find the "age of marriage" for the Avatar world? Why the hell did you capitalize "men" and "women," but not "Katara?" Why is there a distinct lack of apostrophes in all of your sentences? Furthermore, what the hell did your point about "POPPING into adulthood" have to do with any of the other statements that you made in that particular paragraph? Finally, I'm not sure who "thier" is or, for that matter, why the aforementioned entity even has a "thinking box," but if their grammar and spelling is anything like yours, then that is a box which I shall not be exploring.
If your definition of a puzzle is confusing, obnoxious, and poorly planned, not to mention terribly clichƩ, then sure, Kataang is like a puzzle. The rest of your statements make no ******** sense whatsoever. Get a grip, a grammar book, and some common sense, please. Mmkay? Thanks.
So, you said yourself that Kataang is boring and pretty much stupidity, whereas Zutara is interesting and entertaining.
Your last two points are total shite and will be disregarded.
Welcome to the bash thread.
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Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 4:26 pm
I support Kataang (although Zutara is fun to say, IT AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN!) Sorry, anger skews my sense of grammar. Oh, and I heart Monty Python, but wut does that have to do w/ bashing?
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Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 5:17 pm
mugglegirl713 I support Kataang (although Zutara is fun to say, IT AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN!) Sorry, anger skews my sense of grammar. Oh, and I heart Monty Python, but wut does that have to do w/ bashing?
I can't tell if you're a pitiful troll, or just a hopeless n00b who can't read. [ Subtle hint: Reading the rules is nice. ]
Either way, I'm going to deal as the thread dictates. When a n00b walks into a bash thread and posts stupid s**t, aforementioned n00b is going to get bashed. Woah! Novel concept, right?
I'm sorry that other people's opinions tend to "skew your sense of grammar," but that lame excuse really doesn't hold its own here. What the hell did you hope to accomplish from this post of pure bullshit? You need to read the rules and post your ideas, as opposed to posting skewed "facts" and blatantly retarded phrases with poor sentence structure.
Finally, I seem to be missing something here. Why the hell did Monty Python even enter into a conversation about Avatar? Would you mind quoting the basis of your irrelevant statement?
Uh, "wut, wut?"
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Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 8:11 pm
TROZAI IS THE BEST SHIP IN EXISTENCE. It is CLEARLY canon, and anyone who thinks otherwise is a moron. Haven't you seen all the hints being dropped?! I mean, first off, there was that unforgettable scene in Zuko Alone. We can CLEARLY see it there. Didn't you see the sparks flying?! And then, AND THEN, just when we thought that it was just a dream, that it was but a mere figment of our imagination, 309 happened. Didn't you see it? DIDN'T YOU SEE IT?!  It was CLEARLY the lovechild of Ozai and Tree. It was what we Trozai shippers had been waiting for, some sign that our ship was supported by Mike and Bryan. And we got it! OUR PRAYERS WERE ANSWERED! Now, I know what you're going to say... "What about Ursa?" Well, what ABOUT Ursa? Ozai clearly didn't give two rat tits about her. He banished her! He set her up to have her life ruined. Plus, most importantly, he abused her. Yes, it's true. It's in the deleted scenes of the Book III Volume 2 DVD. You'll have to wait 'til January to see it, but I'm telling you: it's SHOCKING. Besides, that ho is outta the picture, leaving Trozai WIDE open for being the best canon ship in the series. Screw Kataang! Screw Maiko! Trozai IS Avatar. And if you take this seriously, GODDAMN.
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Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 5:39 am
Butterfly Nebula TROZAI IS THE BEST SHIP IN EXISTENCE. It is CLEARLY canon, and anyone who thinks otherwise is a moron. Haven't you seen all the hints being dropped?! I mean, first off, there was that unforgettable scene in Zuko Alone. We can CLEARLY see it there. Didn't you see the sparks flying?! And then, AND THEN, just when we thought that it was just a dream, that it was but a mere figment of our imagination, 309 happened. Didn't you see it? DIDN'T YOU SEE IT?! [ There used to be an image here that clearly showed how Trozai is cannon. biggrin ] It was CLEARLY the lovechild of Ozai and Tree. It was what we Trozai shippers had been waiting for, some sign that our ship was supported by Mike and Bryan. And we got it! OUR PRAYERS WERE ANSWERED! Now, I know what you're going to say... "What about Ursa?" Well, what ABOUT Ursa? Ozai clearly didn't give two rat tits about her. He banished her! He set her up to have her life ruined. Plus, most importantly, he abused her. Yes, it's true. It's in the deleted scenes of the Book III Volume 2 DVD. You'll have to wait 'til January to see it, but I'm telling you: it's SHOCKING. Besides, that ho is outta the picture, leaving Trozai WIDE open for being the best canon ship in the series. Screw Kataang! Screw Maiko! Trozai IS Avatar. And if you take this seriously, GODDAMN.
I completely and totally agree. Ozai must have banished Ursa so that Tree wouldn't see that he was being cheated on. (He? I'm saying it's a male tree, because it's ten times more entertaining if Ozai is gay for a Tree. ) Ursa was only there in the first place so that the rest of the fire kingdom wouldn't learn of his adulterous behavior with trees. In the end, Ozai's one true love is still Tree.
I couldn't have said it better myself.
Especially the last 2 lines.
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Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 9:33 am
I bash of all of the shippings, mostly because I just can and because Jet is dead.
Aang/Katara: Yeah these two have a great chance, if you are Aang. I think it's one-sided for the moment because, although I love Katara's character, she's blind when it comes to Aang having a large crush. She does have her moments and all, and when they come, she seemes confused. I see it more as a sibling love for the time being.
Katara/Zuko: I see nothing here. It's a nice idea with all these little random things people come up with, but since the last episode of the second season, Zuko would have to do a lot of sucking up to actually get her trust, then he'd have to show some signs that he actually would want to be with her. This is more of a fanfiction relation.
Sokka/Suki: We've seen proof. I'm not getting into it.
Sokka/Ty Lee: It's onesided. We've all seen it. Sokka's too worried about Suki to care about a crazy circus freak.
Sokka/Azula: After watching The Day of Black Sun, I wouldn't be surprised that Sokka would ever treat Azula like a person.
Sokka/Toph: It's very onesided that the moment. I think that much like Katara to Aang, Sokka sees Toph as a little sister that doesn't soak him, but throws dirt and jokes. I'm pretty sure that Toph just loves him.
Jet/Katara: We all know this won't happen because Jet's dead. (Poor him. I loved this pairing because they had a love/hate relationship.)
Zuko/Mai: Again, we've seen it, and to me it seems like the most likely to happen because well, if you haven't seen the third season, then you need to watch it. What could stop it; Zuko taking off to join in Aang's mission.
I can rant on more, but I just can't really think of anymore.
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Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 12:47 pm
DerPipTook I bash of all of the shippings, mostly because I just can and because Jet is dead. Aang/Katara: Yeah these two have a great chance, if you are Aang. I think it's one-sided for the moment because, although I love Katara's character, she's blind when it comes to Aang having a large crush. She does have her moments and all, and when they come, she seemes confused. I see it more as a sibling love for the time being. Katara/Zuko: I see nothing here. It's a nice idea with all these little random things people come up with, but since the last episode of the second season, Zuko would have to do a lot of sucking up to actually get her trust, then he'd have to show some signs that he actually would want to be with her. This is more of a fanfiction relation. Sokka/Suki: We've seen proof. I'm not getting into it. Sokka/Ty Lee: It's onesided. We've all seen it. Sokka's too worried about Suki to care about a crazy circus freak. Sokka/Azula: After watching The Day of Black Sun, I wouldn't be surprised that Sokka would ever treat Azula like a person. Sokka/Toph: It's very onesided that the moment. I think that much like Katara to Aang, Sokka sees Toph as a little sister that doesn't soak him, but throws dirt and jokes. I'm pretty sure that Toph just loves him. Jet/Katara: We all know this won't happen because Jet's dead. (Poor him. I loved this pairing because they had a love/hate relationship.) Zuko/Mai: Again, we've seen it, and to me it seems like the most likely to happen because well, if you haven't seen the third season, then you need to watch it. What could stop it; Zuko taking off to join in Aang's mission. I can rant on more, but I just can't really think of anymore.
Nice! Moron bashing is an even more amazing happy crack than happy!Zuko. I bash losers, mostly because I can and because I believe that Jet could still be alive.
-Your first point about Kataang is moronic, and it is grammatically incorrect, so it shall be disregarded completely.
-Your Zutara point has already been proven wrong over 100 times in this thread alone, so it shall be ignored.
-Good, because I really don't feel like bashing you about it.
-That's not a fact, that's an opinion.
-That made no sense whatsoever, and shall be disregarded.
-Toph doesn't "soak" him, but throws "dirt and jokes?" What the ******** is that supposed to mean? Since when are jokes objects that can be thrown around with dirt? Toph "just loves him?" You, my friend, are an a*****e, and all girls (or are you more of a guy type?) should avoid you for miles.
-Uh, you support Jetara but not Zutara? You're irrational. Also, Jet might not be dead, y'know.
-Red herring alert. Bing-bing-bing-bing-bing!
I could bash you more, but I really don't feel like it.
A lot of your points had to be disregarded. Do you, by any chance, suck cocks?
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Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 1:35 pm
Butterfly Nebula Besides, that ho is outta the picture *gasp* D:< You. Me. Pistols at dawn.
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Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 7:17 pm
Lemon M. Butterfly Nebula Besides, that ho is outta the picture *gasp* D:< You. Me. Pistols at dawn.
My cat fight senses are tingling!
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Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 12:11 pm
Lemon M. Butterfly Nebula Besides, that ho is outta the picture *gasp* D:< You. Me. Pistols at dawn. I'm sticking around for this! D:<
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