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Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 10:15 am
Well seeing as how the shadow clan doesnt exist that would be a HUGE plot addition. Seeing as both members of the clan itself are relatively evil (or not, im looking at karmic alignment.) it would make a nice plot if Ibiki were to begin a hunt of his own for the avatar. Much like he performed for Zoresu. (Note that he would be coming out of hiding to do such a thing.) Perhaps make Ibiki a figure much like Koh as he was wronged by a past avatar and now seeks redemption.
And I would also like to see my newest character Cain Ira (50g if you can name the biblical references of his name) to play a part in the war, if you will allow it. Being that he is an evil that is much the same as The Dark Knife, and Ibiki. If you followed the past few of my posts I make the points that he not only wants Fulgar's blood but wants to destroy everything, making him an incarnate of Abaddon (Abaddon is the biblical Hebrew word for destruction)
Perhaps the Avatar becomes a martyr in all of this? Becomes a symbol perhaps? I don’t know, but I’m trying to make an idea out of this that the avatar becomes a symbol for the entire world when he dies for what he believes in.
The shadow clan could be trying to get the avatar so that the two members can make him a shadowbender and thus being able to use him as a weapon for their own purposes. Maybe because they are evil they want to use him as a weapon against all the nations.
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Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 12:02 pm
That is one point I really don't get in this war. Why do the Shadow benders want to destroy everybody? Or even make more shadow benders? Why do we have such completely negatively charged Characters Karmically? Are they played well?
Sorry If I'm being a nuisance, but will sombody tell me where they've been RPing so I can check what's going on. (Gah! I hate being a noob.)
In anycase, I think the Avatar becoming a Martyr is something that should be held off for a long time if it happens at all.
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Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 12:30 pm
Well the shadow benders arent RPC's. The two shadow benders are Humbra's two NPCs. So they are basically there for the reason of plot development. The shadows benders as well as I can tell it are megalomaniacs, why wouldnt they want more of themselves? There is strength in numbers and they are already EXTREMELY powerful it would be unwise of them not to want more shadowbenders because with multiple of these people they would be virtually unstoppable. Not to mention the basic need to survive, with only two members if they were to both die, what would happen to the shadowbender race?
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Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 12:41 pm
[Hollow point] Well the shadow benders arent RPC's. The two shadow benders are Humbra's two NPCs. So they are basically there for the reason of plot development. The shadows benders as well as I can tell it are megalomaniacs, why wouldnt they want more of themselves? There is strength in numbers and they are already EXTREMELY powerful it would be unwise of them not to want more shadowbenders because with multiple of these people they would be virtually unstoppable. Not to mention the basic need to survive, with only two members if they were to both die, what would happen to the shadowbender race? Okay, they're the Antagonist characters then; unless some clever plot device is around the corner. And my major irk at the moment is lack of motivation. Why are they Megalomaniacs? Are they just evil? Why? What possible motivation do they have for taking over the world? Are they seeking new lands? Trying to civilize the rest of the world? Spread their culture? Gaining more resources? What? They don't seem to have much of a problem with sticking around, since they have rediculously long life spans so far. Meh, I'm just ranting. You're right about wanting more Shadow benders though.
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Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 1:20 pm
Megalomaniac- a pathological egotist
Meaning if they find it in their best interest they will do anything, if they think that destroying a entire civilization would help them they wont hesitate to do so. They need no provocation. Aye, that is quite perverse on their part but people like the shadowbenders (and my character Cain) care not for the well being of others but rather look out for number 1, they also have delusions of grandeur so they may think they are unstoppable being able to do whatever they please. Not to mention the fact that they arent necessarily dumb brutes but rather skilled tactitions(sp?) and educated which is probably their most deadly ability, their brains.
by the way, "shadow" and "bender" is one word. Just like you spell firebender, waterbender, airbender, or earthbender.
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Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 1:32 pm
[Hollow point] Megalomaniac- a pathological egotist Meaning if they find it in their best interest they will do anything, if they think that destroying a entire civilization would help them they wont hesitate to do so. They need no provocation. Aye, that is quite perverse on their part but people like the shadowbenders (and my character Cain) care not for the well being of others but rather look out for number 1, they also have delusions of grandeur so they may think they are unstoppable being able to do whatever they please. Not to mention the fact that they arent necessarily dumb brutes but rather skilled tactitions(sp?) and educated which is probably their most deadly ability, their brains. by the way, "shadow" and "bender" is one word. Just like you spell firebender, waterbender, airbender, or earthbender. Sorry, typing fast. I'll work on it. In anycase, I understand what Megalomania is, but you aren't just born a megalomaniac (are you?). There is generally a reason you become one. Whether because you completely loose complete faith in other people; and because of that lower the rest of the race in your mind until you are on top. Or having a skill or power that is more advanced, or more unique, or simply better than some one else's and therefore raising youself up. Again, I wasn't suggesting they were dumb; on the contrary, they seem rather smart, which is why I was questioning the motives of Ibiki in particular. It doesn't take much to make some one dumb follow you; but you need to have a purpose or a good reason to make some one smart follow you willingly. Or if willing isn't required, I guess you could always scare them to death.
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Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 1:39 pm
Well they obviously the most powerful characters in the guild they could easily over power someone of average strength. Their sickness can be attributed to the fact they are so powerful and being able to whatever they wanted because of their strength. Like I said I dont know his exact reasons but perhaps it was he felt wronged and wanted revenge. Much like Koh the face stealer.
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Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 4:03 pm
Esh-
Actually, people don't need a reason to be considered evil or perform evil acts. That's part of what makes it evil. Anyone with enough power backing them up can do whatever is within their means simply because they felt like it... if these guys want to take over the world, maybe a rock is just a rock... nothing more. They wanted to do it, so they're trying to do it now. Try not to read so much into things or attach unnecessary labels before the plot is revealed... they might or might not have a reason, and if they do, it might or might not be a good one. Ambiguity is part of the fun! ;P
Hollow-
Maybe it's not in their best interests to create more shadowbenders. Playing shadowmaster characters of my own, I tend to notice it's a VERY good idea to be the strongest in your area, and most importantly the only. The chances are that when you aren't expecting it, someone with power equivalent to yours and ulterior motives that you believed to be an ally will bury that knife right into your ribs through the very same shadows you bequeathed unto them. But we'll see, I suppose.
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Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 4:32 pm
I hadnt thought about it that way.
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Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 5:22 pm
I'm totally to tired to find your post Humbra so I'll just resond here, yes four lb-4 benders would be fine, and thankyou for changing it.
I noticed that we're having a discussion about the whole motivation of the shadow clan thing, and how the war would actually start. Evildoers don't need to have good motivation to do evil things, because in there eyes what they're doing is the right thing. That means that the shadow benders can have evil motivations.
As for how the war might start, I had orriginally planned to have a group of firebenders attempt an assasination or the chief of the water tribe, and the earth king, but the whole idea never got of the runway, but yeah that's just an idea.
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Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 5:35 pm
Jeffry Naiom I noticed that we're having a discussion about the whole motivation of the shadow clan thing, and how the war would actually start. Evildoers don't need to have good motivation to do evil things, because in there eyes what they're doing is the right thing. That means that the shadow benders can have evil motivations. You seem to miss my point. I am argueing that what the Shadowbenders are doing and why has to seem rational and a good thing to them. Their motivation doesn't have to be rational or good to us. But they need to have a reason to justify to themselves that what their doing is the right thing. It doesn't need to be the most sound arguement as long as they can repeat it to themselves to keep faith in what they're doing. This sort of romanticism or insanity of actions is something a villainous character needs in order to have depth. I was merely pointing out that, whatever the justification, they need one.
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Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 6:33 pm
xp This is why I shouldn't try to write things when I'm sick.
Your right I did misunderstand, and I do agree with you.
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Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 7:10 pm
Komm Kayriel Maybe it's not in their best interests to create more shadowbenders. Playing shadowmaster characters of my own, I tend to notice it's a VERY good idea to be the strongest in your area, and most importantly the only. The chances are that when you aren't expecting it, someone with power equivalent to yours and ulterior motives that you believed to be an ally will bury that knife right into your ribs through the very same shadows you bequeathed unto them. But we'll see, I suppose. We have a Sith-lord in the making, neh? Join the dark side, Komm-kun..Wings_of_Esh You seem to miss my point. I am argueing that what the Shadowbenders are doing and why has to seem rational and a good thing to them. Their motivation doesn't have to be rational or good to us. But they need to have a reason to justify to themselves that what their doing is the right thing. It doesn't need to be the most sound arguement as long as they can repeat it to themselves to keep faith in what they're doing. This sort of romanticism or insanity of actions is something a villainous character needs in order to have depth. I was merely pointing out that, whatever the justification, they need one. Ibiki is one messed up person. Since he's the leader of the shadowbenders, and since he's so messed up, the plot is going to turn quite bloody.
Without going into too many details.. Compare Ibiki to Dr. Lector with an urge to set everything alight. Tongue/cheek removal included, too. Since he was the victim of some evil spirits when he was a child (the village he was sent to, remember?), the bender lost quite a bit of his sanity. So, by using his inherited skills and the skills endowed to him by the attacking spirits he became an insane genocidal maniac (there'll be more juicy info later on this subject later).
'Everything must die.' The seclusion as a child, the 'higher than everyone else' limitation, and the constant pressure to become the best.. Then the spirit stuff stitched into the mix.. He's going to become the Sephiroth of Avatar. And the stuff I'm planning on him doing.. Imagine 20,000 tons of TNT going off, and then add in some psychotic-leveled mauling.
But these things might change. I'm still tweaking Ibiki so that he's one of the more memorable characters.
And Karthan is a crack head ('opium head', actually..). So ignore his motivation. He goes where the drugs go.
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Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 7:30 pm
rofl karthan a cracker xd
Mmmmm... Hannibal Lector. One of my all time favorite literary psychos. I doubt Ibiki could hold all of Lector's traits though.
Can each part of his brain work independently? Lector can have multiple trains of thought and not have them interrupt each other. Did Ibiki have a working sixth finger?
I took it as Karthan was more powerful that Ibiki, as "not even ibiki knows who or what he is"
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Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 8:46 pm
I alway thougt that the catus juice from the deseet would have been eventually used as a drug.
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