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 Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 10:45 pm
Captain_Theoretical Well, Eve's poor desicion making is beside the point. I don't think they were created perfect. Just because a bank has never been robbed doesn't mean it has perfect security. True, but, then again, this is entirely an interpretation issue. I take 'made in the image of God' to mean perfect. You don't. Quote: Well then a kleptomaniac to a theif would be a homosexual to a lustful person who has sex with everyone, regardless of what gender they're attracted to. Yeah. Which still proves (at least one) of my point(s). It's not a sin to be a homosexual. That's a double standard. But it is a sin to give into the temptation to lust. Quote: Gay people should have equal rights, but that doesn't mean everyone has to agree with them. If you don't treat gay people badly just because they're gay, then they can't really infringe upon your beliefs. It's one thing to be a crazy extremist who shouts insults at gays, it's another thing to be respectful to gays just believe they're on the wrong track. I mean, it would just be like talking to an atheist. A Christian talking to an atheist isn't going to (or shouldn't, rather) bring up God all the time, insult that person, or as soon as they learn that they're an atheist disregard their feelings, personal space, and beliefs and try everything possible to convert them. It's just not the Christian thing to do. But if you're a preacher in a church and you quote the passage where Jesus says "No one comes to the father except through me" then no one should be able to tell you you're infringing on atheists' freedom of religion. Not if the ACLU has anything to say about it. No, really, They've tried (and succeded, if my memory serves me) to bring pastors to court for preaching that Christians should meditate upon and pray about who they are going to vote for. "Church Politiking" was their excuse. Quote: Well hopefullly the citizens of the US of A are smart enough to prevent someone abusing their power to change that. Because no one would outright reccomend that we abolish that law, or alternatively, if they did they wouldn't get very far. You just shot your arguement in the foot. You used 'citizens of the USA' and 'smart' in the same sentance.
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Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 10:46 pm
Captain_Theoretical Well, I enjoy debating it. Excerizes my brain. xd Pretty much seconded.
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Posted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 6:06 pm
Quote: True, but, then again, this is entirely an interpretation issue. I take 'made in the image of God' to mean perfect. You don't. Well, I guess it's another moot point then. Quote: Yeah. Which still proves (at least one) of my point(s). It's not a sin to be a homosexual. That's a double standard. But it is a sin to give into the temptation to lust. True, true. So I guess what the debate is really about is whether homosexual sex is in itself lustful. Which doesn't make any sense to me, since I think something has to be out of the norm to be lustful, and just the act of having sex with someone isn't lustful by itself regardless of the gender. There are a million scenarios I can think of that would make it lustful, but if you're in a monogamous relationship with someone you love I don't consider it lustful. But you would see it differently because you believe that it is out of God's norm to have sex with someone of the same gender. I don't know, it just strikes me as far-fetched. Quote: Not if the ACLU has anything to say about it. No, really, They've tried (and succeded, if my memory serves me) to bring pastors to court for preaching that Christians should meditate upon and pray about who they are going to vote for. "Church Politiking" was their excuse. Well that's just insanity. Period. Quote: You just shot your arguement in the foot. You used 'citizens of the USA' and 'smart' in the same sentance. Har, har. It's an unlikely scenario that our freedom of speech will continue to degrade without anyone noticing, or attempting to reverse it.
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Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 7:29 am
wow this thing such a long long topic confused confused confused confused reading it all almost killed me i think stressed xd but i'm here on the last page and WOW u guys must really have alot of free time but on to my point!!!
mrgreen
I'm with Most of what TheJesusFreak said out of all of you, i think the bible makes it pretty clear that its wrong. I know u should go around yelling in people face's their a sinner u win no one over that way but if you dont make sure they know how you feel about it that's sinning to because u arnt standing up for Christ. You should tell them your views and after that just leave it at that unless an opertune(sp?) moment comes up to talk about it. I dont think we should vote for them to have rights to things like marriage because Christ created that special for adam and eve and other men and women to share, if they want something like it God forbid me to stop them but i think that God created that for a special reason and like rainbows they want to take it and twist it up till its all confusing and wrong. (Sorry i love rainbows and i hate that they took God's promise and turned it into a a sex symbol.) Anywho I just wanted to put a bit of my imput in here.
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Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 5:01 pm
So, okay. I'm a theatre kid, right? And today in class we're doing monologes. Two different guys did some pretty interesting monolouges which pertain to this topic.
One did a monologe from a play called "The Devil's Advocate" where he talked about how his homosexuality did not go against nature because it was his nature. God had created him that way, and it was simply his nature to well... like men.
The other was from a show called "Southern Baptist Sissies" which is absolutly awesome XD The play is basically about gay Christians and their struggles and such (I've yet to read the whole thing). The beginning of his monologe was actually quite humorous- about how he had crushed of Jesus and Elvis XD But at the end, he started talking about how he couldn't love himself because he knew that what he was doing was unacceptable as a Christian. And how he basically hated himself for it. But that's just the way he was.
Anyway, it was definetly interesting and I thought cast another view point onto the homosexuality issues.
Anyway, there's my story. I just thought it was interesting, because it brought into view the side of those who are gay. I know that both plays are fictional, but isn't fiction based off reality?
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Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 7:33 pm
I'm sorry if I get a little heated in this post, just know that I feel really strongly about this issue and it sometimes causes me to be not as loving ad I should. If there's something that I've said in this post that is a little angry, or even just mean please try to forgive me. I don't think straight when I'm outraged. sweatdrop Quote: I'm with Most of what TheJesusFreak said out of all of you, i think the bible makes it pretty clear that its wrong. I know u should go around yelling in people face's their a sinner u win no one over that way but if you dont make sure they know how you feel about it that's sinning to because u arnt standing up for Christ. You should tell them your views and after that just leave it at that unless an opertune(sp?) moment comes up to talk about it. Yes, I'm with you so far. I can't really think of a single gay person ever that doesn't already know that most Christians think homosexuality is a sin. There really is no need to tell them. They know. But what you should do is let them them know that you're part of that group. Because that's just awkward. It's like not telling someone you're a recovering alcoholic when they invite you out for drinks. Well maybe not exactly like that, but the awkwardness is still there. Sure, it's kind of weird to tell someone you disagree with their very nature, but it's either that or change your opinions. So yeah, something should be said but don't explode at them. Quote: I dont think we should vote for them to have rights to things like marriage because Christ created that special for adam and eve and other men and women to share, if they want something like it God forbid me to stop them Sorry, let me stop you right here. Marriage is not a priveledge. It is not something special that only heterosexual people get to have. It's a right. That means all people get it. I don't think we should have black people have the 'special right' to vote, or women for that matter. Those feminists, they're always nagging about getting all these priveledges, like an equal paycheck. Let's put them back in the kitchen where they belong. rolleyes Sorry, but marriage is not a 'special' right. By definition, no right can be 'special'. That's why it's called a right. Everybody has a right to their rights. And I cannot stress more separation of church and state. You can say that God has juristiction over the universe, but we're in the US, not God's kingdom. Let me know when we have a theocracy, and until then everyone should get equal rights. Because it's not up to us to judge. God says to leave the judging to him, and to love thy neighbor (and even love your enemies). God said not to judge people for their sins, that's His job. If homosexuality is a sin, then God will punish homosexuals. It's not our job to treat them poorly just because they're gay. It's not like we're denying atheists the right to marry. I mean, God created it special for Adam and Eve. It's clearly a religious institution. Atheists shouldn't have that right. rolleyes Gay people aren't asking the pope for his blessing, they just want the same rights as a heterosexual couples. Like being able to visit each other in the hospital. The list of things you get as a married couple goes on and on, not to mention the symbolism of their love. A wedding day should be the happiest day of that couple's lives. It's not just about the rights that go along with the certificate. They want to be able to commit to each other. Quote: but i think that God created that for a special reason and like rainbows they want to take it and twist it up till its all confusing and wrong. (Sorry i love rainbows and i hate that they took God's promise and turned it into a a sex symbol.) Anywho I just wanted to put a bit of my imput in here. The rainbow is a symbol of love. That God hung his bow in the sky and that was his promise to never flood the Earth again. It's a symbol of love and forgiveness. When people think of gays, they think of sex. It's disgusting, gay people are no more sexual than straight people. They just happen to feel attracted to members of the same gender, and thusly fall in love and want to marry members of the same gender. It's not that hard to grasp.
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Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 7:35 pm
Quote: So, okay. I'm a theatre kid, right? And today in class we're doing monologes. Two different guys did some pretty interesting monolouges which pertain to this topic. One did a monologe from a play called "The Devil's Advocate" where he talked about how his homosexuality did not go against nature because it was his nature. God had created him that way, and it was simply his nature to well... like men. The other was from a show called "Southern Baptist Sissies" which is absolutly awesome XD The play is basically about gay Christians and their struggles and such (I've yet to read the whole thing). The beginning of his monologe was actually quite humorous- about how he had crushed of Jesus and Elvis XD But at the end, he started talking about how he couldn't love himself because he knew that what he was doing was unacceptable as a Christian. And how he basically hated himself for it. But that's just the way he was. Anyway, it was definetly interesting and I thought cast another view point onto the homosexuality issues. Anyway, there's my story. I just thought it was interesting, because it brought into view the side of those who are gay. I know that both plays are fictional, but isn't fiction based off reality? It is very much based on reality. Many, many gays feel like God doesn't love them and they hate themselves for who they are, but they can't change. They're told over and over that they're sinful, and many wish they could just stop being gay. But it's not that simple and they end up hating themselves for not 'not being strong enough' to just not be gay.
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Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 7:39 pm
Digi_Dream_Gurl wow this thing such a long long topic confused confused confused confused reading it all almost killed me i think stressed xd but i'm here on the last page and WOW u guys must really have alot of free time but on to my point!!! mrgreen I'm with Most of what TheJesusFreak said out of all of you, i think the bible makes it pretty clear that its wrong. I know u should go around yelling in people face's their a sinner u win no one over that way but if you dont make sure they know how you feel about it that's sinning to because u arnt standing up for Christ. You should tell them your views and after that just leave it at that unless an opertune(sp?) moment comes up to talk about it. I dont think we should vote for them to have rights to things like marriage because Christ created that special for adam and eve and other men and women to share, if they want something like it God forbid me to stop them but i think that God created that for a special reason and like rainbows they want to take it and twist it up till its all confusing and wrong. (Sorry i love rainbows and i hate that they took God's promise and turned it into a a sex symbol.) Anywho I just wanted to put a bit of my imput in here. I felt that I should point out several things. One. That you -repeatedly- say, "I think," "I think," "I think." Don't you think that's a sign of personal opinion? I sure do. You may think that marriage is a priveledge for men and women to share, but I know that God wants everyone to have equal rights. God loves everyone. That's in the bible. There is no commandment that says, "Don't be gay." Look at it from a homosexual's point of view. A long time ago, blacks were not allowed to get married. At least, not in the United States. Therefore, they jumped over a broom and called it marriage. Think about it. Even if we, as Americans, do not give homsexuals the right to marry, they'll still try. As long as they do not have the right where they live, they will try to get the right. Because they deserve it. Gays are people, too.
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Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 4:40 pm
Captain_Theoretical Quote: So, okay. I'm a theatre kid, right? And today in class we're doing monologes. Two different guys did some pretty interesting monolouges which pertain to this topic. One did a monologe from a play called "The Devil's Advocate" where he talked about how his homosexuality did not go against nature because it was his nature. God had created him that way, and it was simply his nature to well... like men. The other was from a show called "Southern Baptist Sissies" which is absolutly awesome XD The play is basically about gay Christians and their struggles and such (I've yet to read the whole thing). The beginning of his monologe was actually quite humorous- about how he had crushed of Jesus and Elvis XD But at the end, he started talking about how he couldn't love himself because he knew that what he was doing was unacceptable as a Christian. And how he basically hated himself for it. But that's just the way he was. Anyway, it was definetly interesting and I thought cast another view point onto the homosexuality issues. Anyway, there's my story. I just thought it was interesting, because it brought into view the side of those who are gay. I know that both plays are fictional, but isn't fiction based off reality? It is very much based on reality. Many, many gays feel like God doesn't love them and they hate themselves for who they are, but they can't change. They're told over and over that they're sinful, and many wish they could just stop being gay. But it's not that simple and they end up hating themselves for not 'not being strong enough' to just not be gay. Yeah, both the monologes were excellent, especially the one from Southern Baptist Sissies. The devlivery of it was so powerful and the guy who did it is a fawesome actor. I thought it really captured the other side of the argument well. I mean, you don't head about it often but I think it takes real guts for them to go before God, even knowing their sinful. And we should keep that in mind because they probably have trouble enough with it, as it is. They should be appluaded, not persecuted.
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Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 9:35 pm
*sigh*
I'm a nurse and do bowel routines regularly. I don't want to go into too much detail, but I help people who can't go to the bathroom - manually.
I really believe God created the bowels for one purpose and again I'll try to spare the detail.
Second, we can twist bible verses any which way, but the bible is mostly common sense to me. I find a surplus of verses for a godly marriage between man and woman, but not a man and man or a woman and woman.
Genesis 2:24
For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh.
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Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 4:24 pm
Allythea *sigh* I'm a nurse and do bowel routines regularly. I don't want to go into too much detail, but I help people who can't go to the bathroom - manually. I really believe God created the bowels for one purpose and again I'll try to spare the detail. Second, we can twist bible verses any which way, but the bible is mostly common sense to me. I find a surplus of verses for a godly marriage between man and woman, but not a man and man or a woman and woman. Genesis 2:24 For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh. The thing is, there's more to it than sex. There's a romantic love in there as well. And besides, straight people have a**l sex as well, so I wouldn't limit it only to homosexuals.
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Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 7:04 pm
Quote: *sigh* I'm a nurse and do bowel routines regularly. I don't want to go into too much detail, but I help people who can't go to the bathroom - manually. I really believe God created the bowels for one purpose and again I'll try to spare the detail. Second, we can twist bible verses any which way, but the bible is mostly common sense to me. I find a surplus of verses for a godly marriage between man and woman, but not a man and man or a woman and woman. Genesis 2:24 For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh. The problem with that is that straight people have a**l sex, lesbians can't really have a**l sex, and some gay people just choose not to.
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