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McSpiffy: Your explanation for why you are a vegetarian and a Pro-Choicer is fine, thanks. Basically, yes, you are Pro-Choice and a vegetarian because you believe that human fetal life is worth less then non-human life.

The only problem I have is with your last part, and I'm going to comment on them:

The reason this is, at the least, a mistated thing, will be explained after the next quote break

There it is! You do -not- support our right to believe that a fetus is alive and has value. Because, if you did, you would support our attempt to make abortion illegal.

Honestly, if you really believe that killing animals is equivalent to murder, then you should try and make it illegal. I would fully support your right to do that. I wouldn't join in on it, as I disagree, but if your opinion is that killing animals is murder, then you should try and make it illegal.

You know, if you are going to say,

Then at least give us the respect of not calling us Anti-Choice. If Pro-Abortion means forcing an abortion on someone, then Anti-Choice means forcing someone to give birth.

Which we aren't.

We aren't going to hold you down and restrain you and give you sedatives so you can't even worry yourself enough to spontaneously abort. We're going to make it so that killing someone, that we believe is a human being with as much value as you or me, comes with a consequence.

Let me try to explain this, since posts in the PCG (Maybe not you, but many others) imply that you probably won't understand.

Ironically, a PP video says it best: We're faced with choices every day. You could choose to run a red light. The thing that PP leaves out is, if you run that red light, and you are caught, you are going to get in trouble.

Same thing with abortion; We do not support putting chips in your brain to keep you from making choices. So we can't possibly be anti-choice.

Wow. To the first, I agree. But men don't get abortions (Obviously, they can't) so abortion doesn't fit under feminism. It's a seperate entity. I fully support women's rights. Abortion, however, isn't one of them.

To the second... Ah, none of those fit me. neutral I don't think women must be "protected," or that they can't make their own decisions. These new "pre-natal laws," or whatever they call them? Where a woman can't go out and drink or smoke if she has any chance of getting pregnant? I think that those are absolutely disgusting, and infringe upon Constitutional rights. I also don't think sex is immoral; In fact, sex is one of the most sacred and blessed things God has given us. And as far as punishment, it depends on what you mean. Yes, abortions should be punished. But so should murder, or rape. And the doctor, who could be male, should also be punished. But it's not because of sex. It's because of abortion.

I also don't just believe what is told me without research or thinking. What kind of thing to say is that? I mean, for one thing, you might have noticed that the Pro-Choice guild has more members. Also, I'll point out the fact that it has been suggested that ya'll target the Chatterbox with your new "informational" campaign.

The Chatterbox. Come on. The bottom of the Gaian bucket, you are going to go to for recruiting. neutral

Whereas us, we don't do much recruiting. We don't need to. If you are Pro-Life, join us. If you aren't and you end up at our guild, the front page says to look around and make up your own mind.

Also never done any of that. Well, as far as "imposing your morality on others," it depends on what you mean.

I mean, I never saw anything wrong with making stealing illegal, or rape, or murder, and all of those are moral beliefs of mine. neutral If we aren't supposed to push our moral beliefs, perhaps we should abolish those laws?

Then I wasn't speaking of you, was I?

Also, this thread is only degrading if you want it to be. razz I specifically said, I believe, in the original post that I meant no offense. It's just an idle curiousity.

And -you- may be a vegetarian for health reasons, but you are only the second person I have ever met who was a vegetarian for any reason besides "killing animals is wrong." So, from my experience, you are in the minority. And it's a little arrogant to think that all or even most vegetarians are just like you. confused

Yes, I was speaking broadly. But, given the argument, the assumption would be that I was speaking to vegetarians who were vegetarians because they believed that killing animals is tantamount to murder.

And Le Chat never made a comment to me about how degrading this thread is. confused I've stepped in when people get downright insulting.

But, given that this is the Pro-Life guild, excuse us for being a little bit biased towards the Pro-Life side. Really, though, having been in the Pro-Choice guild, I see no reason why you should be upset; Ya'll are a lot more nasty towards Pro-Lifers then we are to Pro-Choicers. Heck, ya'll are nasty towards people who simply aren't Pro-Choice enough for you. Sachiko Sohma is, or at least was, Pro-Choice, but left the Pro-Choice guild because of it.

Show me the insulting and fake propaganda please. I'd like to see it.

ne, I retract and apoligize then. And yeah, I'm not surprised that you do it all the time. Pro-choicers do it all the time too. I notice it with the satirical pictures mostly.

The problem with there images is tht many of them actualy beleive it. I won't name names, but there are quite a few actualy, even those claiming to be intelegent actualy beleive some of the things those banners say. Us? Our banners satirizing the pro-choice guild is nothign more then retaliation. We know for a fact that very few choicers literally think the way we say...sadly...with how they act some times its hard to beleive that.

...o.O Isn't that exactly what I was saying, in a way?

First of all, I wasn't comparing it to a chicken egg, that would be silly. A) Chicken eggs that we eat are unfertilized, and never would have become a chicken, and B) Exactly, we eat the animals. As opposed to fetuses, which are just flushed. That may sound vulgar, but what I'm trying to say is, at least we kill animals for reasons besides "They are inconvenient." (I do not support hunting for sport.) Fetuses surely would be illegal to eat as that would be cannibalism.

And they actually -do- compare fetuses and chicken eggs at times; Saying, to paraphrase George Carlin, "Why is it that when you kill a human fetus it's an abortion and murder, but when you kill a chicken fetus it's called an omellette?"

As I said, Sachiko Sohma is a Pro-Choicer (Or she was a Pro-Choicer when she joined the guild) Who left the Pro-Choice guild because, apparently, she wasn't Pro-Choice enough for them.

And Le Chat is a Pro-Choicer who's been a member of this guild even before the guild went public, I'd guess because she likes to be the resident Pro-Choicer who can explain things when we don't understand them. And we love her. heart Well, most of us love her.

Well, impression corrected, glad to have you here. 3nodding Hope you make an educated decision to become Pro-Life. whee

um. actually there's a huge difference

a chicken egg is... chicken

a human egg human.