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 Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 4:39 pm
Moenokori
If he loved her then, he would have stopped, he would have hesitated slightly, but he didn't. He was firm in leaving. He gave her the time to voice her feelings and then knocked her unconscious so she couldn't stop him/go for help.
He's selfish to me in this regard. He never paused to think of Naruto and Sakura's feelings; to think of Kakashi or KONOHA, and how his betrayal as the last of the Uchiha clan would hurt their standing as a strong ninja force. He could have realized that he has allies now, and taking down Itachi didn't have to be done on his own.
He was doing for his own pride as much as for his family.
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Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 4:49 pm
SasukeUchihaismyman Moenokori
If he loved her then, he would have stopped, he would have hesitated slightly, but he didn't. He was firm in leaving. He gave her the time to voice her feelings and then knocked her unconscious so she couldn't stop him/go for help.
He's selfish to me in this regard. He never paused to think of Naruto and Sakura's feelings; to think of Kakashi or KONOHA, and how his betrayal as the last of the Uchiha clan would hurt their standing as a strong ninja force. He could have realized that he has allies now, and taking down Itachi didn't have to be done on his own.
He was doing for his own pride as much as for his family.
Ooh. This reminds me of something.. Like, GAH! I can't find what I'm trying to think!! Sort of like in Spiderman.. doesn't peter parker not want to tell MJ his identity because he's afraid his enemies will go after his loved ones.. or yeah. That whole "The-guy-has-to-let-the-girl-down-because-he-doesn't-really-want-to-get-involved-with-her-because-his-enemies-might-try-to-use-that-weakness-kind-of-thing.." Eh. It seems cliche a bit.. hah.
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Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 6:24 pm
Promising3Words SasukeUchihaismyman Moenokori
If he loved her then, he would have stopped, he would have hesitated slightly, but he didn't. He was firm in leaving. He gave her the time to voice her feelings and then knocked her unconscious so she couldn't stop him/go for help.
He's selfish to me in this regard. He never paused to think of Naruto and Sakura's feelings; to think of Kakashi or KONOHA, and how his betrayal as the last of the Uchiha clan would hurt their standing as a strong ninja force. He could have realized that he has allies now, and taking down Itachi didn't have to be done on his own.
He was doing for his own pride as much as for his family.
Ooh. This reminds me of something.. Like, GAH! I can't find what I'm trying to think!! Sort of like in Spiderman.. doesn't peter parker not want to tell MJ his identity because he's afraid his enemies will go after his loved ones.. or yeah. That whole "The-guy-has-to-let-the-girl-down-because-he-doesn't-really-want-to-get-involved-with-her-because-his-enemies-might-try-to-use-that-weakness-kind-of-thing.." Eh. It seems cliche a bit.. hah. Yes a bit cliche but it might just be like that...xD
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Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 5:22 am
Sillvy Moenokori
If he loved her then, he would have stopped, he would have hesitated slightly, but he didn't. He was firm in leaving. He gave her the time to voice her feelings and then knocked her unconscious so she couldn't stop him/go for help.
He's selfish to me in this regard. He never paused to think of Naruto and Sakura's feelings; to think of Kakashi or KONOHA, and how his betrayal as the last of the Uchiha clan would hurt their standing as a strong ninja force. He could have realized that he has allies now, and taking down Itachi didn't have to be done on his own.
He was doing for his own pride as much as for his family.
You think he didn't hesitate? He told Sakura himself that he'd thought about staying with Team 7, but in the end, he realized he had to go.
What was that apple to the head? Itachi and Sound Four. The last time Sasuke met Itachi, his aniki pounded him without so much as breaking a sweat. All of his blood, sweat, and tears flushed effortlessly in a few short seconds. Sound Four did the same. Beat the s**t out of him, told him he was weak, and waited.
Sasuke was a time bomb waiting to explode, and the only thing keeping him from jumping immediately into the arms of Orochimaru was Team Seven. Before he left, he was ALWAYS thinking about them. They had tried to talk some sense into Sasuke, and he had considered it. If he wasn't hesitant at all, if he didn't care at all, he wouldn't have even bothered to listen to what Sakura had to say to him. It wouldn't matter that Sakura was about offer everything she had to aid him, to stay with him, to kill for him.
And Naruto. Sasuke sees Naruto as his best friend. He had the perfect opportunity to kill Naruto and get the Mangekyo Sharingan. Sasuke did not because Naruto means something to him. He was thinking about Team Seven the entire time.
Orochimaru just dangles a very tempting carrot.
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Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 6:44 pm
Maybe it's more like a tempting tomato...xD
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Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2006 4:42 am
SasukeUchihaismyman Maybe it's more like a tempting tomato...xD
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Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2006 7:47 am
Sillvy SasukeUchihaismyman Maybe it's more like a tempting tomato...xD I wonder if Oro has tomatos...Does this even make sense?xDD
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Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2006 8:19 am
SasukeUchihaismyman Sillvy SasukeUchihaismyman Maybe it's more like a tempting tomato...xD I wonder if Oro has tomatos...Does this even make sense?xDD He must...otherwise Sasuke could get pissed... ninja
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Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2006 7:59 pm
underworld-girl SasukeUchihaismyman Sillvy SasukeUchihaismyman Maybe it's more like a tempting tomato...xD I wonder if Oro has tomatos...Does this even make sense?xDD He must...otherwise Sasuke could get pissed... ninja
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Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 4:59 pm
Moenokori Did I say get over? No. Moving on and getting over are two very different things. Moving on is loving someone but realizing that in the end, it may never have worked out.
Getting over is accepting the fact that you may not have loved someone as strongly as you thought and letting it go peacefully.
This is the distinction I make, having had experience with the former. First love doesn't have to be your only love: sometimes it can be a stepping stone to something greater.
Naruto isn't bringing Sasuke back just for Sakura, he's doing it for himself as well. Sasuke, in all rights, is his brother, his first "equal" of sorts - he loves Sasuke just as much as Sakura does.
You're right; Sakura has grown up. I've said it, too. And if she's had time to think about Sasuke, she's had just as much time to think about Naruto. I'm not saying it's instant burning love, but she can see that maybe something could be there. That maybe Naruto is just as important to her as Sasuke is.
Sasuke protects Sakura. Yes. He does that a lot. He takes care of her, encourages her when she's down at the chuunin exams; but he's a Konoha ninja, she's his teammate. It's his obligation if nothing else. I'm sure he feels inklings of friendship - that he appreciates her presence as a mediator when Naruto's being particularly dense, but that doesn't constitute love. Not yet anyway. Saying "Thank You," before he leaves could mean any manner of things,
"Thanks for attempting to human-ize me."
"Thanks for deterring Naruto all those times."
"Thanks for trying to take care of me."
"Thank you for caring enough to understand me, to see that I'm going to leave and for trying to stop me, even though you know I'm going to go anyway."
If he loved her then, he would have stopped, he would have hesitated slightly, but he didn't. He was firm in leaving. He gave her the time to voice her feelings and then knocked her unconscious so she couldn't stop him/go for help.
He's selfish to me in this regard. He never paused to think of Naruto and Sakura's feelings; to think of Kakashi or KONOHA, and how his betrayal as the last of the Uchiha clan would hurt their standing as a strong ninja force. He could have realized that he has allies now, and taking down Itachi didn't have to be done on his own.
He was doing for his own pride as much as for his family.
And, for the record, I'm not saying SasuSaku has no basis. Absolutely not! If Sasuke were to remove his head from his a**, he'd see he has two wonderful people very much in love with him, and that he doesn't have to isolate himself to achieve his self-imposed goals. I'm just saying maybe it's a little one sided, and maybe, NaruSaku has some basis, too. ^^
He has feelings. If hadn't hesitated, and listened to Sakura's words then he wouldn't have said 'Thank You'.. He would have walked out of the village while she was speaking.
These mistakes -flaws and all- are what make him human. He can love, cry, hurt, and feel the pain of losing a loved one.. He keeps all his emotions bottled up inside of him, in a little glass case thats as fragile as his mentally-unstable mind.
Besides, Naruto understood that Sakura would always love Sasuke, no matter what. Naruto's love for her has matured greatly, but Sakura's love for the blonde-boy is a brother. They have a family relationship. Kakashi was a family figure, too. Without Sasuke, it mainly made a hold in the family but did that stop them from trying to get him back?
The answer is no. They could have forgotten him, hated him.. But they didn't. They held onto hope, the still love him. Family figure, rival, friend, teamate, student, a hero.. All of them have one or another. They have one thing in common with their love of Sasuke: They all know he needs to be changed for the better, and they'll stop at no cost.
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Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 5:15 pm
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I think you all scared her away. She isn't even a member of this guild anymore. Was five people seriously necessary to basically tell her the same thing over and over?
I'm not trying to be mean, nor am I mad, but it really seemed as though you guys ganged up on her. She might not have minded.. but then again why else would she have quit the guild, and never replied? Albeit there could have been other reasons..
But I suppose it doesn't matter now.
If two members start a serious debate, I suggest staying out of it unless one of them needs the assistance. Have a little more faith in them. [Honestly, I think you all made good posts, I just think Trusty and Moenokori should have settled this debate on their own.]
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Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 5:26 pm
Kairi.nin ..
I think you all scared her away. She isn't even a member of this guild anymore. Was five people seriously necessary to basically tell her the same thing over and over?
I'm not trying to be mean, nor am I mad, but it really seemed as though you guys ganged up on her. She might not have minded.. but then again why else would she have quit the guild, and never replied? Albeit there could have been other reasons..
But I suppose it doesn't matter now.
If two members start a serious debate, I suggest staying out of it unless one of them needs the assistance. Have a little more faith in them. [Honestly, I think you all made good posts, I just think Trusty and Moenokori should have settled this debate on their own.] I'm sorry.. I didn't mean to help scare her away.. I was just annoyed at that minute and decided to take it out on her post.. I promise I'll never interfere again. Unless it's necessary. :3
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Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 4:30 am
Kairi.nin ..
I think you all scared her away. She isn't even a member of this guild anymore. Was five people seriously necessary to basically tell her the same thing over and over?
I'm not trying to be mean, nor am I mad, but it really seemed as though you guys ganged up on her. She might not have minded.. but then again why else would she have quit the guild, and never replied? Albeit there could have been other reasons..
But I suppose it doesn't matter now.
If two members start a serious debate, I suggest staying out of it unless one of them needs the assistance. Have a little more faith in them. [Honestly, I think you all made good posts, I just think Trusty and Moenokori should have settled this debate on their own.]
It WAS getting kinda heated, so I did try... But I guess I failed.
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Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 4:40 am
Well.. there isn't much we can do about it now. Next subject.
.. Ah, damn. There's a new debate topic.
---Quote: Sasuke's feelings for Sakura... I don't see anything more than a teammembership between them. It's only Sakura who remember the times about Sasuke but at those memories Sasuke is mostly with Naruto or they are all together but there is no extra thing for Sakura... on the other hand in the second part when they met with Sasuke again he didn't spare a minute for her while he was more interested with Naruto and Kakashi who was even not there.
And when it comes to Sakura's memories; come on, do you really think Kishimoto would show her alone with Sasuke? He might not have been focusing on romance; he was focusing on the importance of Team 7 and how much Sakura wanted Sasuke to stay so they could keep being happy like they were before, and make new memories. Besides, when she was remembering these.. memories, it was really the first time she had been honest and open about her feelings; she and Sasuke hadn't exactly had time to be alone together. [Well.. they did, but come on. Most of those times were either in fillers, or when she and Sasuke were in extreme danger.]
Oh, he didn't spare her a minute? Then I guess his "..Sakura?" was 'not sparing her a minute'? And I suppose the shocked/WTF look he had on his face when she charged at him was Sasuke 'not sparing her a minute' as well, huh? He probably would have paid more attention to her had Kishimoto not been so focused on the Naruto/Sasuke reunion instead of a Team 7 reunion. Let's face it. That whole encounter was basically to get a taste of what the 'new' Sasuke was like. You just wait.. he'll be back, and when he is, I'm sure he and Sakura will have a little moment of their own.
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Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 12:12 pm
Quote: Sasuke's feelings for Sakura... I don't see anything more than a teammembership between them. It's only Sakura who remember the times about Sasuke but at those memories Sasuke is mostly with Naruto or they are all together but there is no extra thing for Sakura... on the other hand in the second part when they met with Sasuke again he didn't spare a minute for her while he was more interested with Naruto and Kakashi who was even not there. is what he's after right now.He isn't intrested in love yet because he wants to get rid of Itachi.Besides, he's pretty much a stone you can't tell whether or not he loves somebody because he good at hiding it.He has called her a precious friend and that could possible lead to more. Also, as he stated in the chunin exams, he is intrested in fighting Naruto.Not Sakura.He may still think she is the weak girl she was back when they were Genin. Kakashi also is most likely somebody wants to fight.(I mean..not that I've seen it clearly stated or anything...) Again, Sakura is not.Sasuke wouldn't want to fight somebody -to his knowlege- that is weak,now would he?He wants to get stronger and the only way that is possible is if he fights people that are -to his knowlege- strong. Naruto is stong and also has Kyubbi which is probably a detail as to why Sasuke wants to fight him.Kakashi is a jounin, his former sensei, and a strong ex-ANBU. He is strong is Sasuke's eyes and Sasuke sees the challenge.He doesn't see one in Sakura because he 'didn't spare a minute for her'.
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