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I don't know if I meant that exactly,
but we can skip ahead until the two
have fallen into their roles--say, a
week later?

ok just recicling the thread

See, it's not like I'm ending the talk on purpose, by all means go ahead and continue talking.
I'm just adding some spice to the situation.

Now, there's this oportunity for us to form a group. and have our own Set of missions and adventures. I've already have the captain's approval for this project.

We could focus it on Yatta, Xuza and Twin's character development as well as some minor development for Mira.

This could be anoportunity for Paradox to show a thing or two.

However, there must be a few conditions.

Paradox must be handicaped. -she's not as strong on newbie characters, for instance the twins who just got in, but she can be complex within a reasonable criteria in order to force them passively and actively to grow.-

-This also means, she can be more complex, objective towards higher skilled characters like Yatta and Xuza. Or be a nightmarish headache for Mira.- Meaning she must be healthy to play against.


- Again, this guild already has their main antagonists. So no big scale stuff.
We'll stick with missions and have some interactions on the real world, but please do not mess with Crew characters or think you'll get to beat one of them.We are starting this project as a group, so everything that happens in the group stays within the group and is valid only on the missions said for this group.
This is mostly to avoid problems with people telling your character is op and stuff.
We behave with people outside the missions and keep it to a minimum, and during our missions we go ham until out heart is content.

- This means there must be a way for Paradox to be stopped or the consequences must not affect what happens on the canon rp. Kinda like a shadow play hidden from the main storyline.
(We're kinda like a suicide squad. If we succeed, nobody will notice, if we fail, all the blame would be put unto us.)

- Paradox May or May not need a rework on her kit.(we'll discuss that as story progresses) in order for Paradox to offer the group more options and keep the adventures going.


So, people, what are your thoughts on the idea?

That's why one of the conditinions was to have Paradox handicaped.
While you're injured you're not as effective as you normally are. This means your skill gap between Yatta and the Twins is lower, so you could have face Paradox in a mission (not directly paradox but more like paradox's challenge) within amateurish/ like dificulty yet still develop your character and have it be meaningful for you since you're balancing the dificulty with your own handicap (being injured).
Mean's you rely heavily on the twins to support one another should they want to clear the mission.

You can start as partners if you both agree to it or remain as solos. it doesn't really matter. That's the beauty of it XD
This "Handicap" helps alot as you can see. Since, if you really want to rp, then it doesn't matter if your character is injured or not. Even better, you use this chance to get to know your characters limitations while facing a X handicap on yourself.

This can help us out balance stuff so, perse, Have the twins, Xuza and Yatta on the same mission, without making it too hard for the twins. Yet still challenging for each member.

Even if youre all healed, we could use this "curse" ability of Paradox to help us level the skill gap so they all have a fair challenge and most of it, have fun. Since no one would feel like they are "draggin the team down" while also make the rp available to us at all times.

I'd be all for it o uob

Hopefully the twins will be interesting to RP with.

Yes probably, but let's keep those for later instances. As you've seen yourself what happened when Yatta and Xuza fought Illo... I personally don't think they are ready to face the phoenix again. I've no idea about Lilith in all honesty but don't think they are ready for her either.

Handicap means you'll deliver propper challenges for our heroes to grow until they hace enough experience to FACE (not necesarily defeat) their foes.

Think of Lilith and Illo as boss battles. You can't just jump into a boss. Tho through the story it is possible to face the same boss over and over, only more powerful than before.

An example of handicap would be to say should they face Illo he's also fighting paradox for the control of his body, therefore he's not really going all out on them.
Gradualy as the story progresses he has less and less mental strength to fight paradox, Justifying every fight with the phoenix being more difficult.



I don't think that's accurate? to control Illo Paradox must be stronger than Illo, but if you think you can justify her being on par with Illo still have the abysmal upper hand on him, well I'm all ears.



goods, again we or at the very least I don't want them to sharing the same screen with the main characters. Mostly to avoid possible troubles previously mentioned. This also gives us some freedom to go places without them disturbing our storyline.

Again to assure this I've spoken with the captain, if any of us crew members want to partake on these missions we would need newbish characters, no Main character's allowed. This is the groups RP storyline. not the guilds main storyline.

Meaning no Noira,Despair, Lily, Queen of darkness, Texas, Divine, etc.




uhhh yes you can, you just don't want to.

Again, the handicap (I kinda explained it on the first question.) means you present our heroes (yours included) with fair challenges. Our aim during each mission should be to focus on character development and improvement. So they could scale into competitive characters able to deal with bigger threats, like Illo and Lilith, then proceed until we reach the cap to face paradox.

Handicap does not necesarily mean Paradox will appear weaker. It means she'll use weaker means to deal with them.
IE. Controling X npc who happens to be around the skill gap of our heroes, maybe a little higher to make it challenging.
Again, she's not making herself weaker, she's just managing her resources at hand. Not using too much, but not using too few.
- Maybe she doesn't even see them as a challenge and decides to indulge herself by helping them grow stronger. so they could at least entertain her.-

You don't really have to be all negative like

-Why you always nerfing my characters?-

if you wish to take on the spotlight of the main villain, that's kinda what you should be expecting from now on. On my personal opinoin a villain requires more finese than a main protagonist. Since it has to adapt to other's needs in order for the villain to deliver the most satisfying results.
You bring the hype, the thrills, tears and joy on the table, so you have to be willing to adapt to the situation in order to deliver this.

While heroes are in my opinion scaling on rather straight lines. a few curves on the way.

Again, this would be Your responsibility as a Dungeon master. You have to make it entertaining and challenging for everyone, but above anything entertaining. That's why Paradox may need or not reworks as the story progresses, since she must be able to deliver entertainment and challenge on healthy levels for us to keep the fun and the rp going.

And, may I add, reworking doesn't always mean nerfs.
Sometimes you just polish and clarify a kit
sometimes the kit just doesn't work with the desired goal.
perhaps its either too powerful or the kit is lacking something.

Yet, if you're still not convinced I can create another character and have him/her run the villain. I just thought it was a great oportunity to put Paradox to work.

Well, I could tell you exactly why it
is that Lilith and Illo come with Paradox,
but that's spoiler territory, so not here.
As for the handicap, I can romance it
a little--a lot, really. Paradox isn't the
type to just kill her prey before playing
with it. But thanks for defining the term
"handicap."



I don't think that's accurate? to control Illo Paradox must be stronger than Illo, but if you think you can justify her being on par with Illo still have the abysmal upper hand on him, well I'm all ears.

I'm sorry, but yes it is. These are
my characters, so I would know.
If you want spoilers to justify this,
then I'll meet you in the inbox, but
for now just accept it.



goods, again we or at the very least I don't want them to sharing the same screen with the main characters. Mostly to avoid possible troubles previously mentioned. This also gives us some freedom to go places without them disturbing our storyline.

Again to assure this I've spoken with the captain, if any of us crew members want to partake on these missions we would need newbish characters, no Main character's allowed. This is the groups RP storyline. not the guilds main storyline.

Meaning no Noira,Despair, Lily, Queen of darkness, Texas, Divine, etc.

Ok, sure. Whatever it takes, I guess.




uhhh yes you can, you just don't want to.

Again, the handicap (I kinda explained it on the first question.) means you present our heroes (yours included) with fair challenges. Our aim during each mission should be to focus on character development and improvement. So they could scale into competitive characters able to deal with bigger threats, like Illo and Lilith, then proceed until we reach the cap to face paradox.

Handicap does not necesarily mean Paradox will appear weaker. It means she'll use weaker means to deal with them.
IE. Controling X npc who happens to be around the skill gap of our heroes, maybe a little higher to make it challenging.
Again, she's not making herself weaker, she's just managing her resources at hand. Not using too much, but not using too few.
- Maybe she doesn't even see them as a challenge and decides to indulge herself by helping them grow stronger. so they could at least entertain her.-

You don't really have to be all negative like

-Why you always nerfing my characters?-

if you wish to take on the spotlight of the main villain, that's kinda what you should be expecting from now on. On my personal opinoin a villain requires more finese than a main protagonist. Since it has to adapt to other's needs in order for the villain to deliver the most satisfying results.
You bring the hype, the thrills, tears and joy on the table, so you have to be willing to adapt to the situation in order to deliver this.

While heroes are in my opinion scaling on rather straight lines. a few curves on the way.

Again, this would be Your responsibility as a Dungeon master. You have to make it entertaining and challenging for everyone, but above anything entertaining. That's why Paradox may need or not reworks as the story progresses, since she must be able to deliver entertainment and challenge on healthy levels for us to keep the fun and the rp going.

And, may I add, reworking doesn't always mean nerfs.
Sometimes you just polish and clarify a kit
sometimes the kit just doesn't work with the desired goal.
perhaps its either too powerful or the kit is lacking something.

Yet, if you're still not convinced I can create another character and have him/her run the villain. I just thought it was a great oportunity to put Paradox to work.

Right. I was just trying to clarify
that handicap does not equal
lowering my characters' max power.
Of course Paradox won't go all
out on them. That wouldn't be
fun, nor would it allow for any
story. Anybody can understand
that. I need you to trust me. I
DM plenty of games irl, I run
guilds of which you are a part;
running a story and making it
fun, challenging, and interesting
is kind of what I do. sweatdrop

no one seems to want to rp with me