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TvIaMsOqTuHeYz

Dangerous Loiterer

PostPosted: Sun May 20, 2012 9:13 pm


Username:
TvIaMsOqTuHeYz
RPC Name:
Raphael Saki

RPC Rank:
D
Bloodline/Clan/Demon:
N/a

Profession:
Sealing Master
Ninja Types:
Speed Shinobi
Tactical Ninja

Talent Description:
Raphael is treated as having the Sealing Hand Benefit on one condition, He has to use an open palmed strike that is part of a taijutsu style. Until Jounin rank, he is unable to use this without soaking his hands in ink, or blood.

Raphael is also able to use Fuuinjutsu as a passive ability, meaning drawing and activating a seal do not take his action for the post. This does not work if both are done in the same post.

All Fuuinjutsu costs 3 chakra less than it would normally to activate to a minimum of 1. This does not stack with any other benefit.
Talent Sacrifice:
Raphael is unable to take a Jounin rank benefit.

Raphael has to expend an extra point of chakra for every technique that is not Fuuinjutsu related.

Raphael is incapable of utilizing Genjutsu. Raphael may be exceedingly intelligent, but his optical nerves aren't connected to his chakra system. This is due to his gate of rest being deficient. This also makes him unable to learn the eight Gates.

How it happened:
Raphael is one of a very few select shinobi who is exceptionally gifted in the arts of Sealing. He is believed to have a bloodline that gives him this ability, although he'd be the first known member. He is actually just exceptionally gifted and didn't like to write out large seals, so Raphael just spent four years learning how to mark an object with nothing other than his hands, a technique he learned of while reading and by inquiring to the upper shinobi in his village.
PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2012 6:34 am


TvIaMsOqTuHeYz
Username:
TvIaMsOqTuHeYz
RPC Name:
Raphael Saki

RPC Rank:
D
Bloodline/Clan/Demon:
N/a

Profession:
Sealing Master
Ninja Types:
Speed Shinobi
Tactical Ninja

Talent Description:
Raphael is treated as having the Sealing Hand Benefit on one condition, He has to use an open palmed strike that is part of a taijutsu style. Until Jounin rank, he is unable to use this without soaking his hands in ink, or blood.

Raphael is also able to use Fuuinjutsu as a passive ability, meaning drawing and activating a seal do not take his action for the post. This does not work if both are done in the same post.

All Fuuinjutsu costs 3 chakra less than it would normally to activate to a minimum of 1. This does not stack with any other benefit.
Talent Sacrifice:
Raphael is unable to take a Jounin rank benefit.

Raphael has to expend an extra point of chakra for every technique that is not Fuuinjutsu related.

Raphael is incapable of utilizing Genjutsu. Raphael may be exceedingly intelligent, but his optical nerves aren't connected to his chakra system. This is due to his gate of rest being deficient. This also makes him unable to learn the eight Gates.

How it happened:
Raphael is one of a very few select shinobi who is exceptionally gifted in the arts of Sealing. He is believed to have a bloodline that gives him this ability, although he'd be the first known member. He is actually just exceptionally gifted and didn't like to write out large seals, so Raphael just spent four years learning how to mark an object with nothing other than his hands, a technique he learned of while reading and by inquiring to the upper shinobi in his village.


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But this one I shall explain for you.

First benefit grants a jounin rank benefit. That is something that will not be allowed in any situation. Furthermore, the only type of person who could achieve the method you stated, would be an ink bloodline member. The method that allows jounin shinobi to perform that feat is actually possibly easier than the method you would need to use it your way.

The third benefit, reduces the cost of seals. The cost of seals cannot be altered by any benefit, because they have a required minimum capable of activating them. Think of it like a computer program. It won't run if the computer will not give it sufficient resources and power.

First sacrifice, you lose a jounin rank benefit. I suppose that'd be a good method to keep you from taking ANOTHER jounin benefit, but this talent grants you one at genin, so the weakness is actually meaningless.

And the third weakness is actually rather confusing. What does his optic nerve have to do with genjutsu?

~

If you want the only remaining benefit of this talent, my recommendation is to simply take combo user as one of your types.  

Hinote Tosatsu
Vice Captain

Eloquent Lunatic


TvIaMsOqTuHeYz

Dangerous Loiterer

PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2012 1:12 pm


Username:
TvIaMsOqTuHeYz
RPC Name:
Raphael Saki

RPC Rank:
D
Bloodline/Clan/Demon:
N/a

Profession:
Sealing Master
Ninja Types:
Speed Shinobi
Tactical Ninja

Talent Description:
Raphael is capable of learning any seal, of any level. Learning seals above his rank invoke a +1 post for every rank above his they are. S rank seals are a +10 post no matter his rank.

Raphael is treated as a combo user when utilizing seals.
Talent Sacrifice:
Raphael is incapable of Genjutsu.

Raphael is capable of only using one chakra type, excluding Universal.

Raphael is capable of only using universal jutsu up to C rank.
How it happened:
Raphael is exceptionally gifted when it comes to seals. It is pretty much his only talent. Due to a defect in his chakra system, he is only able to synthesis one type of chakra aside form universal. This defect also has the effect of making him unable to utilize genjutsu, so he simply placed all of his efforts into using seals. He knows the parts of every seal he has learned, and can recall everything he has ever learned about that specific part, regardless of it's relation to the seal.


@Hinote
Only thing I can say is about the third weakness, I'd think that the optic nerve would run fairly close to the chakra tenketsu that would lead into the eyes.

Otherwise I understand your points.
PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2012 2:21 pm


TvIaMsOqTuHeYz
Username:
TvIaMsOqTuHeYz
RPC Name:
Raphael Saki

RPC Rank:
D
Bloodline/Clan/Demon:
N/a

Profession:
Sealing Master
Ninja Types:
Speed Shinobi
Tactical Ninja

Talent Description:
Raphael is capable of learning any seal, of any level. Learning seals above his rank invoke a +1 post for every rank above his they are. S rank seals are a +10 post no matter his rank.

Raphael is treated as a combo user when utilizing seals.
Talent Sacrifice:
Raphael is incapable of Genjutsu.

Raphael is capable of only using one chakra type, excluding Universal.

Raphael is capable of only using universal jutsu up to C rank.
How it happened:
Raphael is exceptionally gifted when it comes to seals. It is pretty much his only talent. Due to a defect in his chakra system, he is only able to synthesis one type of chakra aside form universal. This defect also has the effect of making him unable to utilize genjutsu, so he simply placed all of his efforts into using seals. He knows the parts of every seal he has learned, and can recall everything he has ever learned about that specific part, regardless of it's relation to the seal.


@Hinote
Only thing I can say is about the third weakness, I'd think that the optic nerve would run fairly close to the chakra tenketsu that would lead into the eyes.

Otherwise I understand your points.


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But what do the eyes have to do with casting genjutsu?

Hinote Tosatsu
Vice Captain

Eloquent Lunatic


TvIaMsOqTuHeYz

Dangerous Loiterer

PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2012 2:23 pm


Hinote Tosatsu


Did you even read this one? I completely omitted the portion about the eyes. That was just a response to your last post.
PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2012 2:24 pm


TvIaMsOqTuHeYz
Hinote Tosatsu


Did you even read this one? I completely omitted the portion about the eyes. That was just a response to your last post.


I know. I denied the new talent, and asked a question in response to your statement.

Hinote Tosatsu
Vice Captain

Eloquent Lunatic


TvIaMsOqTuHeYz

Dangerous Loiterer

PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2012 2:32 pm


Hinote Tosatsu
TvIaMsOqTuHeYz
Hinote Tosatsu


Did you even read this one? I completely omitted the portion about the eyes. That was just a response to your last post.


I know. I denied the new talent, and asked a question in response to your statement.

Why was the new one denied?

As to your response to my statement, I thought that most Genjutsu was utilized by the eyes, that's the only reason I placed that there.
PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2012 5:25 pm


TvIaMsOqTuHeYz
Hinote Tosatsu
TvIaMsOqTuHeYz
Hinote Tosatsu


Did you even read this one? I completely omitted the portion about the eyes. That was just a response to your last post.


I know. I denied the new talent, and asked a question in response to your statement.

Why was the new one denied?

As to your response to my statement, I thought that most Genjutsu was utilized by the eyes, that's the only reason I placed that there.


Gejutsu is not necessarily activated by sight. While that is very common, genjutsu can also be activated by hearing, touch, or a number of other catalysts. You are correct in that eyes are the most common, but it does not necessarily have to be limited to sight.

Gregar828
Vice Captain


TvIaMsOqTuHeYz

Dangerous Loiterer

PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 10:00 pm


Username:
TvIaMsOqTuHeYz
RPC Name:
Raphael Saki

RPC Rank:
D
Bloodline/Clan/Demon:
N/a

Profession:
Sealing Master
Ninja Types:
Speed Shinobi
Tactical Ninja

Talent Description:
Raphael is capable of learning Nara clan jutsu as if he were two ranks higher. ( Aka, he can learn Nara clan technqiues two ranks above himself without penalty. )

Raphael is capable of moving rapidly and maintaining any Nara clan techniques that would otherwise keep him immobile as long as his feet retain contact with his shadow. This nullifies the abilities of the Imitation technique and merely keeps the target immobilized. Once this is engaged, the Target is only immobilized for two posts.
Talent Sacrifice:
Rapahel is incapable of using any jutsu other than Nara clan techniques. Seals do not count, although he is incapable of Space/Time jutsu.

Raphael is limited to one taijutsu style and one weapon style.
How it happened:
Raphael is one of the most gifted Nara clan members to ever be born. His raw ability rivals that of even the clan head, although his current level of mastery is very sub par. He is expected to be the next Clan head, even though he is from a branch of the family that used the clan techniques as a leisure activity.


Quote:
Okay, I think I've got it this time. If the two post limit on the after he moves portion is too much time, then I can reduce it to one post. Or If that isn't allowed, I'd like to have the ability to use another Nara clan technique while maintaining the previous technique.
PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 9:20 am


TvIaMsOqTuHeYz
Username:
TvIaMsOqTuHeYz
RPC Name:
Raphael Saki

RPC Rank:
D
Bloodline/Clan/Demon:
N/a

Profession:
Sealing Master
Ninja Types:
Speed Shinobi
Tactical Ninja

Talent Description:
Raphael is capable of learning Nara clan jutsu as if he were two ranks higher. ( Aka, he can learn Nara clan technqiues two ranks above himself without penalty. )

Raphael is capable of moving rapidly and maintaining any Nara clan techniques that would otherwise keep him immobile as long as his feet retain contact with his shadow. This nullifies the abilities of the Imitation technique and merely keeps the target immobilized. Once this is engaged, the Target is only immobilized for two posts.
Talent Sacrifice:
Rapahel is incapable of using any jutsu other than Nara clan techniques. Seals do not count, although he is incapable of Space/Time jutsu.

Raphael is limited to one taijutsu style and one weapon style.
How it happened:
Raphael is one of the most gifted Nara clan members to ever be born. His raw ability rivals that of even the clan head, although his current level of mastery is very sub par. He is expected to be the next Clan head, even though he is from a branch of the family that used the clan techniques as a leisure activity.


Quote:
Okay, I think I've got it this time. If the two post limit on the after he moves portion is too much time, then I can reduce it to one post. Or If that isn't allowed, I'd like to have the ability to use another Nara clan technique while maintaining the previous technique.


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Alright, first off, I would like to draw your attention to something for a moment. Notice, that almost all of the talents so far approved, have only had one actual benefit, and in most cases, multiple sacrifices to attain it. Attempting to gain multiple unrelated benefits will continue to cause your talent to be denied, no matter whether the sacrifice would normally be sufficient or not. Talents are meant to give one opportunity to increase the ability of your RPC, while losing power in another area. ONE. For any others, you would be better advised to carefully consider your other RPC creation options, such as types, profession, rank benefits, and bloodline.

Now, with that said, this talent would still have to be denied if it only had one of the benefits.

"Raphael is capable of learning Nara clan jutsu as if he were two ranks higher. ( Aka, he can learn Nara clan technqiues two ranks above himself without penalty. )"

This creates a genin with the capability of learning all accessible B rank jutsu. Regardless of the difficulty of doing so added by the currency system, that is far too much for a genin to be allowed. Talents that increase your rank as related to learning in this way will always be denied.

"Raphael is capable of moving rapidly and maintaining any Nara clan techniques that would otherwise keep him immobile as long as his feet retain contact with his shadow. This nullifies the abilities of the Imitation technique and merely keeps the target immobilized. Once this is engaged, the Target is only immobilized for two posts. "

This one removes a bloodline weakness. That is something that is not allowed in talents, and also the reason bloodline is a section of the application. I can't help but notice by the way, that you are applying for a Nara talent, yet your bloodline slot is empty?

Please give talents that have been previously approved and denied a read over before you apply again, to see what has been deemed acceptable, and what has not.  

Hinote Tosatsu
Vice Captain

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TvIaMsOqTuHeYz

Dangerous Loiterer

PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 10:15 am


Hinote Tosatsu

Cobra_x

Yasashii's gives him 3 benefits, both literally and figuratively. All for the simple lack of taijtusu which was already reduced in the first place, and a weaker body. So you basically gave up one rank in power, and the bare minimum for taijutsu. So you in turn gain a -1 cost to all techniques as well as the ability to mask seals so only someone else with the same benefit could see it for what it is, then you have the ability to lock a seal so it is usable only by certain people, and learn seals above your rank with a simple +1 to your current learning curve, which is nullified by your support type. Finally you have the ability to simply touch something and make a seal in that area, as well as manipulate space and time. So in essence you've received three benefits that you wouldn't have had just by taking a weakness and giving up two taijutsu styles. Total benefits given: 3

Cobra's Talent gives him an increased strength and speed simply for being in a fight. No trigger other than he is releasing adrenaline which if poison doesn't work on them, and neither does their body's natural numbing agents, then why would adrenaline? But that is nit picking. He also gains a second benefit, once every 3 posts he can use two techniques. Now let's say he uses two augmentations one on both arms and one on both legs. He is now fast as an A+ and strong as an A ranked ninja, as a C ranked ninja with barely any drawbacks. He knows one taijutsu style, which is all he wanted. Other taijutsu styles would have been nice, but he only needed one to get what he wanted. And his weakness for the adrenaline occurs after the fight is over. So if he is fighting only one opponent, and no one else is coming after him, then he is the speed he would be without speed shinobi, and the strength of a genin, and this weakness is merely a nuisance rather than something that will affect his character. Sure if he is there for 8 posts fighting, then it is kinda annoying since he is an E rank in speed and not even a rank in power, but his augmentations can cancel that and allow him to move once more. Total benefits given: we'll call it 2.

Those are the only two approved ones in effect I can find. Both give more than one benefit, although Yasashii's is written as only giving him one.

The Sarutobi bloodline has that benefit, so I was honestly copying that. Let's just get rid of that for now, forget about that part of the application.

It isn't a clan weakness. It is the weakness of two of the clan's jutsu. Shadow imitation and Shadow neck binding. Those are the only two that specifically say that the user must remain still, Neck binding doesn't, but it requires shadow imitation, so I assume that it does in fact require you stand still. Yes, I'm applying for both the clan and the talent at the same time. It simply saves time and allowed me to not complain about things while I had the four day down time that the lack of a pickpocket took on Raphael's activity.

I've looked back through, and there are only two approved ones that are on characters that are still in the guild, Yasashii's isn't even in this thread.

I'd like to state that I'm not arguing. I in no way, shape, nor form am trying to be a pain, or argue a point. I'm simply pointing out things that point to the approved ones giving more than just one benefit. If you deign this as arguing, then I'm sorry, but I'm not trying to argue. If I came off as angry, or snide, I honestly did not mean to, that's just the way I type, or it is just how you are reading it. Please don't just write this off as " Oh, he's arguing. " I honestly think that those two give more than one benefit, if they only give one, then say so, so I'm not misinformed. And please explain rather than saying " I don't think I need to explain why. " Yes, you do. If I think something is true, then I need it explained as to why it isn't true. Like how children think the sky is blue because of the ocean reflecting off of the sky.

EDITS in red

I'll accept an Ougun if you think I'm arguing, but if you give me one, please explain why I'm wrong, and preferably why you think I'm arguing so I can change that. So I can finally civilly convey a conflicting view to you in case we ever do again.
PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 11:11 am


Yasashii's talent grants him the full scope of abilities available to a sealing master. An as yet unreleased/unfinished expansion on the profession system is in future intended to grant that basic ability to everyone, with the addition that you must gain more ranks to attain all of the abilities.

In return, he loses ALL taijutsu. Something that I haven't seen anyone else willing to actually do, and honestly a rather major weakness for most RPCs. And, he is forced to take on all weaknesses of the profession.

Yes, one could say that because he gains multiple rank benefits he is gaining extra benefits, but his weaknesses easily balance it out. The talent itself however, includes only one benefit.

On Cobras, you may notice that it was a very early application from when the system was first implemented. Rules and limitations were still being worked out. It was only approved after extensive debate in both the thread, PMs, and IMs. While it gives multiple benefits, the benefits are directly related to each other. You may notice my statement included the clause of "Unrelated". Being able to learn jutsu faster does not relate to the ability to move while using jutsu designed to be used without moving.

And while it isn't exactly a valid reasoning, Cobra is one of the best RPers in this guild, and can be trusted not to abuse the benefits he is given.

~

I am not aware of a bloodline granting such increased learning abilities. If it does, I have to assume it also has sufficient weaknesses to balance it out. Otherwise, it will most likely be changed when we get around to bloodline edits. Regardless, trying to gain benefits from multiple bloodlines through a talent isn't exactly an allowable action either.

A weakness of a clan jutsu is a weakness of the clan. Still, jutsu that have built in weaknesses have them for a reason, and trying to remove them through a talent is just as bad as doing so with bloodline weaknesses. If you want a more advanced version of the jutsu that doesn't make you freeze in place, make a custom for it.

~

Yasashii's talent is in the thread actually. I read it not long after posting my denial of your app.

And yes, you are arguing. Trying to use previous decisions to excuse your own IS arguing.

Simply trust that when I make a judgement, I know what I'm doing. Please. It makes life easier for both of us. This system is still in it's early stages, and the rules are constantly being altered as more talents come through, exposing more problems that need rules against them. It is entirely possible that a month from now, a talent that would have been approved a month ago will not be.

Hinote Tosatsu
Vice Captain

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TvIaMsOqTuHeYz

Dangerous Loiterer

PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 11:26 am


Okay, I thank you for explaining the reasoning. I do trust your reasoning, the thing is I don't understand it, that's why I ask.

I don't mean it as arguing, I simply mean to use it as a precedent. I'll refrain from doing that in the future unless it is indeed relevant.

I'll work more on my talent. Could you tell me if being able to use Nara clan techniques without dispelling my Imitation technique would be too OP for a talent? It would be restricted to one technique, or two if I switch from Imitation to Neck bind beforehand. That would be the entire premise of the talent, thus giving me only one benefit.
PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 2:39 pm


Username:
TvIaMsOqTuHeYz
RPC Name:
Raphael Saki

RPC Rank:
D
Bloodline/Clan/Demon:
Nara ( Pending )

Profession:
Sealing Master
Ninja Types:
Speed Shinobi
Tactical Ninja

Talent Description:
Raphael is capable of utilizing without hand signs and maintaining the Shadow imitation technique while using other Nara clan jutsu.
Talent Sacrifice:
Raphael is only capable of using Seals and Nara clan jutsu. This makes him unable to use Universal ninjutsu, ever obtaining the Nara clan Second stage, and even Genjutsu and Taijutsu.
How it happened:
Raphael is one of the most gifted Nara clan members to ever be born. His raw ability rivals that of even the clan head, although his current level of mastery is very sub par. He is expected to be the next Clan head, even though he is from a branch of the family that used the clan techniques as a leisure activity.

TvIaMsOqTuHeYz

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iAkura-kun

Prophet

PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 11:31 pm


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