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 Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 3:59 pm
[M]a.r.t.s TheXFactor Sorry Beta I forgot. But yes Brantley Summers was also a nice addition to Speed. Uhh... Falco, DJ, Bounty Hunter, Duane Wages, Sean Rowe, Matt Shanahan, Mavlik Young, Chris Chaos, even myself started on Speed... The last 3 didn't stay long there, but still. Falco, DJ, Bounty Hunter were established already. Falco with NGWE and ICW. Same with DJ Bounty I've seen everywhere, and he didn't need it. People just kept over looking him Wages was only on Speed because he kept bitching about it for a good year and a half, however in other places he established himself nicely because he didn't feel limited by the other speeders. Rowe, Mavlik and Chaos I don't see much of anything of to be honest so I can't base a fair assessment on that. Shanahan didn't NEED speed, him being there was also a joke. He probably stayed to help the others knowing him. Xfactor is on speed but he's everywhere on all brands, he doesn't need to be on Speed and he knows it, you know it, everyone does. He chose it to have a character on it to help out the Speeders. also I'd also like to mention I don't know... Marxx you were on Speed, you didn't need to be on it, you chose to be on it. Same with Jed.. then again Jed still needs it lmao. Matt Stone was on it for a long time he didn't need to be on it he only stayed because he was the champion and couldn't seem to drop his belt. Mad Dogg was on Speed didn't need to be You had all of these people on Speed that didn't really need to be on the show. They CHOSE to go there, they were drafted there, sent there or forced there. Many people in EEW debuted on the main brand and bypassed Speed. I'm personally one of them, lets see Nuke, Snypa, Landry, Lauri, King, Jarel, list goes on and on. Now as for Gold's character yes he's new but the man can promo, he can sell, he knows match flow, and his character, his gimmick is a believable one. It's something different, and he's got the overall package. Now get me wrong I'm not putting words in your mouth by saying that you said that he's not all of this. But let me put it this way, how many new people do I actually take an interest in? If I didn't think he was good enough to actually go the distance and have this match with me right off the bat do you really think I would have wasted my time with him right from the start?
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Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 4:19 pm
Yuke of XV Dibiase Jr. won the Tag titles upon his debut, and I've heard of PWA. Crash won the Hardcore title in his debut match I believe that what I is referring to is their FIRST televised debut match. Gail Kim may have been around but she was in HOUSE shows. Same with all of the others, yes they were around but in their DEBUT match on television in those particular federations where they won the title from, they won a title yes? TDJ - Had already debuted before winning the gold. Yes it was his first match, but he was already established in FCW, that and he is a Fortunate Son of a WWE Hall of Famer. Crash Holly - Crash DID NOT win the Hardcore Title apon his debut Hell the Hardcore Title wasn't even his first title. Crash debuted on RAW IS WAR August 19th, 1999. It wasn't until February 24th, 2000 that he won the Hardcore Title from Test. Now he's first title was the Tag Title with Hardcore Holly and he won that on October 18th, 1999 Two months after he debuted. Now Mind you Crash had a feud with Hardcore Holly before they even teamed. As for the Others situation Management doesn't count just Televised matches, they count House Shows too, cause lets be honest if you can't deliver at an House Show then Management is not gonna let you carry a title on a Televised Show. Please Chrono don't try and argue with me about Wrestling. I'll school you every time. It's just like me trying to argue with you about Marvel, I'm just not gonna win.
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Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 4:21 pm
Yuke of XV Many people in EEW debuted on the main brand and bypassed Speed. I'm personally one of them, lets see Nuke, Snypa, Landry, Lauri, King, Jarel, list goes on and on. Now as for Gold's character yes he's new but the man can promo, he can sell, he knows match flow, and his character, his gimmick is a believable one. It's something different, and he's got the overall package. Now get me wrong I'm not putting words in your mouth by saying that you said that he's not all of this. But let me put it this way, how many new people do I actually take an interest in? If I didn't think he was good enough to actually go the distance and have this match with me right off the bat do you really think I would have wasted my time with him right from the start? Let's get one thing straight. Those people's characters would already established. Yes Golden as RPer maybe established but he's character is not.
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Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 4:28 pm
...I didn't even get a match at ONS. well I care....thats pretty gay 3nodding
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Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 4:30 pm
You see, Chrono, that is where you are wrong. When you came around, I was an established star. But when I started out on Speed, I was complete s**t, might've been the best there, but I was still complete s**t. Without Speed, I probably would still be complete s**t. Me being there for a year was a ******** joke, but starting out there was not.
Edit: Sorry, stopped after reading the first line. Yeah, I did stay there to help out abit. But that was because I wasn't moved up to the main roster. Why? I dunno. I kept getting told 'Next PPV, don't worry'. Took a year. Just thought I'd say that.
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Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 4:31 pm
Yuke of XV [M]a.r.t.s TheXFactor Sorry Beta I forgot. But yes Brantley Summers was also a nice addition to Speed. Uhh... Falco, DJ, Bounty Hunter, Duane Wages, Sean Rowe, Matt Shanahan, Mavlik Young, Chris Chaos, even myself started on Speed... The last 3 didn't stay long there, but still. Falco, DJ, Bounty Hunter were established already. Falco with NGWE and ICW. Same with DJ Bounty I've seen everywhere, and he didn't need it. People just kept over looking him Wages was only on Speed because he kept bitching about it for a good year and a half, however in other places he established himself nicely because he didn't feel limited by the other speeders. Rowe, Mavlik and Chaos I don't see much of anything of to be honest so I can't base a fair assessment on that. Shanahan didn't NEED speed, him being there was also a joke. He probably stayed to help the others knowing him. Xfactor is on speed but he's everywhere on all brands, he doesn't need to be on Speed and he knows it, you know it, everyone does. He chose it to have a character on it to help out the Speeders. also I'd also like to mention I don't know... Marxx you were on Speed, you didn't need to be on it, you chose to be on it. Same with Jed.. then again Jed still needs it lmao. Matt Stone was on it for a long time he didn't need to be on it he only stayed because he was the champion and couldn't seem to drop his belt. Mad Dogg was on Speed didn't need to be You had all of these people on Speed that didn't really need to be on the show. They CHOSE to go there, they were drafted there, sent there or forced there. Many people in EEW debuted on the main brand and bypassed Speed. I'm personally one of them, lets see Nuke, Snypa, Landry, Lauri, King, Jarel, list goes on and on. Now as for Gold's character yes he's new but the man can promo, he can sell, he knows match flow, and his character, his gimmick is a believable one. It's something different, and he's got the overall package. Now get me wrong I'm not putting words in your mouth by saying that you said that he's not all of this. But let me put it this way, how many new people do I actually take an interest in? If I didn't think he was good enough to actually go the distance and have this match with me right off the bat do you really think I would have wasted my time with him right from the start? Boy, I STARTED on Speed, and so did most of the ones I mentioned. Bounty Hunter, he was on Speed with another character even before I knew what wrestling RP is. DJ, he was the owner of WWA, the n00bish guild AOWW was feuding with and so was Justin McCormick. What they learned comes from Speed as ICW only opened months after they jumped to EEW Speed. Wages learned from Speed. As you pointed, he kept himself there with the bitching and we only hoped he'd calm down before calling him up. As for SHanahan, I remember him being referred to the developmental roster after a good basic, but stuff to improve. And that's where Speed helped him in his first days. I'm confident that's stuff he would've learned no matter what, but fast enough to not being called a n00b by some? I don't think so. Rowe is hrtbrkkd. Just to let you know. Mad Dog, Matt Stone, Jed, XFactor, that's all people I didn't mention, why you even bother bring them? Mad Dog was there for a storyline, Stone started there in EEW because he didn't want to be booked more than once at a certain PPV, Jed was head teacher, XFactor decided to fill a similar role too... But I don't know why I'm saying all these details you didn't mention only to prove a thought with no proof from the start. Yes, EEW Speed didn't work quite well for some, but you can't expect everyone to get away with an A+ in a geography class. Same thing goes for what we teach in EEW Speed. Some will pass, some will fail, but we better remember those who succeded because that's the ones who will make a difference and do something in EEW. For every Currin you point out as a "failure from Speed", there's a Duane Wages, a Matt Shanahan, a DJ, a Justin McCormick, a Brantley Summers and a Marxx to prove that it works.
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Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 4:37 pm
@Marxx: I saw you around before EEW was around, just saying
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Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 7:17 pm
Golden Ambition @Marxx: I saw you around before EEW was around, just saying Dude, EEW started in the end of 2006. Me, I started in May 2007 in a guild called NCW, which closed in the end of 2007. And in June, I jumped to RWA where I had my first match before I started on EEW Speed days after that match. Check your sources. May have seen me around in PWG, but this is it.
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Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 7:41 pm
[M]a.r.t.s Yuke of XV [M]a.r.t.s TheXFactor Sorry Beta I forgot. But yes Brantley Summers was also a nice addition to Speed. Uhh... Falco, DJ, Bounty Hunter, Duane Wages, Sean Rowe, Matt Shanahan, Mavlik Young, Chris Chaos, even myself started on Speed... The last 3 didn't stay long there, but still. Falco, DJ, Bounty Hunter were established already. Falco with NGWE and ICW. Same with DJ Bounty I've seen everywhere, and he didn't need it. People just kept over looking him Wages was only on Speed because he kept bitching about it for a good year and a half, however in other places he established himself nicely because he didn't feel limited by the other speeders. Rowe, Mavlik and Chaos I don't see much of anything of to be honest so I can't base a fair assessment on that. Shanahan didn't NEED speed, him being there was also a joke. He probably stayed to help the others knowing him. Xfactor is on speed but he's everywhere on all brands, he doesn't need to be on Speed and he knows it, you know it, everyone does. He chose it to have a character on it to help out the Speeders. also I'd also like to mention I don't know... Marxx you were on Speed, you didn't need to be on it, you chose to be on it. Same with Jed.. then again Jed still needs it lmao. Matt Stone was on it for a long time he didn't need to be on it he only stayed because he was the champion and couldn't seem to drop his belt. Mad Dogg was on Speed didn't need to be You had all of these people on Speed that didn't really need to be on the show. They CHOSE to go there, they were drafted there, sent there or forced there. Many people in EEW debuted on the main brand and bypassed Speed. I'm personally one of them, lets see Nuke, Snypa, Landry, Lauri, King, Jarel, list goes on and on. Now as for Gold's character yes he's new but the man can promo, he can sell, he knows match flow, and his character, his gimmick is a believable one. It's something different, and he's got the overall package. Now get me wrong I'm not putting words in your mouth by saying that you said that he's not all of this. But let me put it this way, how many new people do I actually take an interest in? If I didn't think he was good enough to actually go the distance and have this match with me right off the bat do you really think I would have wasted my time with him right from the start? Boy, I STARTED on Speed, and so did most of the ones I mentioned. Bounty Hunter, he was on Speed with another character even before I knew what wrestling RP is. DJ, he was the owner of WWA, the n00bish guild AOWW was feuding with and so was Justin McCormick. What they learned comes from Speed as ICW only opened months after they jumped to EEW Speed. Wages learned from Speed. As you pointed, he kept himself there with the bitching and we only hoped he'd calm down before calling him up. As for SHanahan, I remember him being referred to the developmental roster after a good basic, but stuff to improve. And that's where Speed helped him in his first days. I'm confident that's stuff he would've learned no matter what, but fast enough to not being called a n00b by some? I don't think so. Rowe is hrtbrkkd. Just to let you know. Mad Dog, Matt Stone, Jed, XFactor, that's all people I didn't mention, why you even bother bring them? Mad Dog was there for a storyline, Stone started there in EEW because he didn't want to be booked more than once at a certain PPV, Jed was head teacher, XFactor decided to fill a similar role too... But I don't know why I'm saying all these details you didn't mention only to prove a thought with no proof from the start. Yes, EEW Speed didn't work quite well for some, but you can't expect everyone to get away with an A+ in a geography class. Same thing goes for what we teach in EEW Speed. Some will pass, some will fail, but we better remember those who succeded because that's the ones who will make a difference and do something in EEW. For every Currin you point out as a "failure from Speed", there's a Duane Wages, a Matt Shanahan, a DJ, a Justin McCormick, a Brantley Summers and a Marxx to prove that it works. You're the first one to say my name without reminder. Chrono critiqued almost everyone and skipped me twice. TWICE a*****e!
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Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 7:43 pm
[M]a.r.t.s Golden Ambition @Marxx: I saw you around before EEW was around, just saying Dude, EEW started in the end of 2006. Me, I started in May 2007 in a guild called NCW, which closed in the end of 2007. And in June, I jumped to RWA where I had my first match before I started on EEW Speed days after that match. Check your sources. May have seen me around in PWG, but this is it. Waaaaaait a sec.. I started in 05' on gaia I personally thought you were around before then. I know you were floating in PWG could've sworn you were wrestling on gaia before me.. Hmm.. I know Gold/Cypher was around gaia wise before us.
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Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 7:45 pm
Beta Flyer You're the first one to say my name without reminder. Chrono critiqued almost everyone and skipped me twice. TWICE a*****e! Because I already know about you.. ICW ftw
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Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 7:47 pm
Yuke of XV Beta Flyer You're the first one to say my name without reminder. Chrono critiqued almost everyone and skipped me twice. TWICE a*****e! Because I already know about you.. ICW ftw *munch munch munch*
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Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 7:50 pm
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Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 8:07 pm
TheXFactor Yuke of XV Many people in EEW debuted on the main brand and bypassed Speed. I'm personally one of them, lets see Nuke, Snypa, Landry, Lauri, King, Jarel, list goes on and on. Now as for Gold's character yes he's new but the man can promo, he can sell, he knows match flow, and his character, his gimmick is a believable one. It's something different, and he's got the overall package. Now get me wrong I'm not putting words in your mouth by saying that you said that he's not all of this. But let me put it this way, how many new people do I actually take an interest in? If I didn't think he was good enough to actually go the distance and have this match with me right off the bat do you really think I would have wasted my time with him right from the start? Let's get one thing straight. Those people's characters would already established. Yes Golden as RPer maybe established but he's character is not. Correction to Chrono: Most of us were there BEFORE Speed.
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Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 8:12 pm
Damijin Spade TheXFactor Yuke of XV Many people in EEW debuted on the main brand and bypassed Speed. I'm personally one of them, lets see Nuke, Snypa, Landry, Lauri, King, Jarel, list goes on and on. Now as for Gold's character yes he's new but the man can promo, he can sell, he knows match flow, and his character, his gimmick is a believable one. It's something different, and he's got the overall package. Now get me wrong I'm not putting words in your mouth by saying that you said that he's not all of this. But let me put it this way, how many new people do I actually take an interest in? If I didn't think he was good enough to actually go the distance and have this match with me right off the bat do you really think I would have wasted my time with him right from the start? Let's get one thing straight. Those people's characters would already established. Yes Golden as RPer maybe established but he's character is not. Correction to Chrono: Most of us were there BEFORE Speed. 
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