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 Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 8:20 am
sheshe507 my posts hav more importance than ur hole existence..... I'm sure they hav.
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Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 8:48 am
I would gladly read Arto's posts all day, even though I do not agree with him on everything... You feel that your opinions are worth more than his soul? That is sad, it is disrespectful, it is hateful, it is hurtful...When people care what you think... but your lack of concern has pretty much made you a mockery, and the only reason people continue to reply is to see how much further down you can bring yourself in our opinions... Or maybe possibly show a little remorse rolleyes for the hate you have shown, though none of us would ever expect that of you... It is the fact that you are so prideful of how you feel, and your inability to show compassion when people disagree with you that shows us your immaturity... You are a child that feels she must validate her own opinions with nothing short of "You are right, and wise for all that you spew from your mouth".... A mature person knows that when they enter a debate or discussion, it is not to make people see it their way, or to convince others that they are right, but merely to express an educated opinion... or else they enter the discussion to educate themselves so that they may form an opinion on a matter that they did not previously have an opinion on... Yes, I just call it like I see it... I call you a brat because you are spiteful and hateful to those who cannot agree with your venomous opinions when you are uneducated about the views of others to begin with... No I do not equate myself with God... Do they not teach what a metaphor is in school anymore? Anyway... You don't know me, and I don't know you... I was willing to respect you before I knew you, and I tried to offer respect towards you in my first reply to you, and the first thing you said to me was "Shut the Hell up", so you are the one who set the tone of disrespect here... You lost mine, at least you had it once... I never had yours, and thus I can never take what you have to say as serious... I will gladly stand Allah's judgment, He is more loving than you and I have no fear for my own soul... So, let's see how much more of an a** you will make yourself...
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Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 8:54 am
rmcdra sheshe507 rmcdra sheshe507 thts all u no how 2 do huh? put up pics of ponies. obvie! wat else can u do? u NO im right! I can share with you an organization of Muslims who disagree with you on this topic. Al-Fatiha Foundation. I am not knowledgable enough about Islam to argue with Islamic theology. Edit: Corrected wording for clarification on wat topic EXACTLY? About being gay being against Islam. This Muslim group disagrees with you. Al-Faitha Foundation[/ur
 i c ur point. i dont no anything about this group so if thy r saying tht it is not againtst the religion 2 be gay and bi and les thn thy r wrong becuz r religion is strictly against tht. u can look it up in the muslim point of view of crs and c verses of the Quran saying tht tht is wrong.
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Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 9:06 am
Eltanin Sadachbia I would gladly read Arto's posts all day, even though I do not agree with him on everything... You feel that your opinions are worth more than his soul? That is sad, it is disrespectful, it is hateful, it is hurtful...When people care what you think... but your lack of concern has pretty much made you a mockery, and the only reason people continue to reply is to see how much further down you can bring yourself in our opinions... Or maybe possibly show a little remorse rolleyes for the hate you have shown, though none of us would ever expect that of you... It is the fact that you are so prideful of how you feel, and your inability to show compassion when people disagree with you that shows us your immaturity... You are a child that feels she must validate her own opinions with nothing short of "You are right, and wise for all that you spew from your mouth".... A mature person knows that when they enter a debate or discussion, it is not to make people see it their way, or to convince others that they are right, but merely to express an educated opinion... or else they enter the discussion to educate themselves so that they may form an opinion on a matter that they did not previously have an opinion on... Yes, I just call it like I see it... I call you a brat because you are spiteful and hateful to those who cannot agree with your venomous opinions when you are uneducated about the views of others to begin with... No I do not equate myself with God... Do they not teach what a metaphor is in school anymore? Anyway... You don't know me, and I don't know you... I was willing to respect you before I knew you, and I tried to offer respect towards you in my first reply to you, and the first thing you said to me was "Shut the Hell up", so you are the one who set the tone of disrespect here... You lost mine, at least you had it once... I never had yours, and thus I can never take what you have to say as serious... I will gladly stand Allah's judgment, He is more loving than you and I have no fear for my own soul... So, let's see how much more of an a** you will make yourself... haha ur fnny. and im happy 2 c tht all my wasting of time replying 2 ur post got me sumthin. @ least u no Allah is a loving god and as for no fear for your soul dont fear im sure ur gunna regret all the terrible things u did in ur life on the day of ressurection.... im jst amzed how u cant even admit tht ur wrong wen u r and i can and like u said ur double my age. its sad rlly..... as 4 the respect if u respect me i will generously show it in return but even U fail 2 do so and u still have the nrve 2 tell me 2 show respect..... im jst treatin u ppl the way u treat me not any more or less respect me i will show a great deal of respect bak.......ur not gunna treat sum1 so mean 2 u the same way u treat sum1 who is endlessly generous 2 u get wat im sayinn?
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Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 9:12 am
sheshe507 i c ur point. i dont no anything about this group so if thy r saying tht it is not againtst the religion 2 be gay and bi and les thn thy r wrong becuz r religion is strictly against tht. u can look it up in the muslim point of view of crs and c verses of the Quran saying tht tht is wrong. Then you should have no problem refuting this then: Qur'an FAQ. After all you are so smart and intelligent and all I seem to be able to do is post ponies 
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Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 9:36 am
sheshe507 Eltanin Sadachbia I would gladly read Arto's posts all day, even though I do not agree with him on everything... You feel that your opinions are worth more than his soul? That is sad, it is disrespectful, it is hateful, it is hurtful...When people care what you think... but your lack of concern has pretty much made you a mockery, and the only reason people continue to reply is to see how much further down you can bring yourself in our opinions... Or maybe possibly show a little remorse rolleyes for the hate you have shown, though none of us would ever expect that of you... It is the fact that you are so prideful of how you feel, and your inability to show compassion when people disagree with you that shows us your immaturity... You are a child that feels she must validate her own opinions with nothing short of "You are right, and wise for all that you spew from your mouth".... A mature person knows that when they enter a debate or discussion, it is not to make people see it their way, or to convince others that they are right, but merely to express an educated opinion... or else they enter the discussion to educate themselves so that they may form an opinion on a matter that they did not previously have an opinion on... Yes, I just call it like I see it... I call you a brat because you are spiteful and hateful to those who cannot agree with your venomous opinions when you are uneducated about the views of others to begin with... No I do not equate myself with God... Do they not teach what a metaphor is in school anymore? Anyway... You don't know me, and I don't know you... I was willing to respect you before I knew you, and I tried to offer respect towards you in my first reply to you, and the first thing you said to me was "Shut the Hell up", so you are the one who set the tone of disrespect here... You lost mine, at least you had it once... I never had yours, and thus I can never take what you have to say as serious... I will gladly stand Allah's judgment, He is more loving than you and I have no fear for my own soul... So, let's see how much more of an a** you will make yourself... haha ur fnny. and im happy 2 c tht all my wasting of time replying 2 ur post got me sumthin. @ least u no Allah is a loving god and as for no fear for your soul dont fear im sure ur gunna regret all the terrible things u did in ur life on the day of ressurection.... im jst amzed how u cant even admit tht ur wrong wen u r and i can and like u said ur double my age. its sad rlly..... as 4 the respect if u respect me i will generously show it in return but even U fail 2 do so and u still have the nrve 2 tell me 2 show respect..... im jst treatin u ppl the way u treat me not any more or less respect me i will show a great deal of respect bak.......ur not gunna treat sum1 so mean 2 u the same way u treat sum1 who is endlessly generous 2 u get wat im sayinn? I don't see Allah as a loving God because of you... I already held that view point... but if all I had was your word to go on, I would curse Allah, because of the example you set within this thread.... But I have been shown love by others who practice Islam, and I respect that religion because of them, and because of them, I want to know more about it... If I had never met them, and I met you first, I would never have anything to do with it again. I would never want to know what the Qu'ran says, and I would be predisposed to think that Islam is a hateful religion. You say I am wrong on what? Homosexuality? What else? How have you proven anyone wrong in this thread on any topic? By asking people to show you a verse? I never said that homosexuality was or was not against the Qu'ran. I don't know enough about the Qu'ran to say one way or the other, so I will take your word for it. Yet this is an Islamic discussion so I am not going to start a discussion about what the Bible says. Besides, it's more complicated than just black and white for some people... and between the different sects, I can not speak for the whole, just give the interpretations that I believe... I would gladly share if you did not have such an air of haughtiness about you, and I don't want you to feel like I am shoving anything down your throat... so I will refrain from giving you verses and interpretation, as you have already formed your opinion... Because you have not shown the maturity to agree to disagree, I wouldn't deem you mature enough to understand the views that I hold, whether I agree with you or not... As I said, I tried to show respect in my first post to you, but you returned with a very short, acid reply without acknowledging that I was trying to have a real full length, adult, back-and-forth conversation with you... I did not berate you in my first post, and in fact, I tried to show to some degree where I saw where you were coming from... Yet you spat in my face, so to speak... and yes I expected it because of the way you were already treating others, but I did give you the benefit of the doubt... Something you never deserved given your actions in this thread. Where I first was at least trying to see where you were coming from, despite your lack of consideration for post style of the group or the lack of compassion for those who you feel are living a deplorable lifestyle, I now feel no respect for you, your ways, your opinions, and even to some degree, your beliefs... You should thank Allah that I have met other Muslims who show mercy and kindness, despite the differences between us.
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Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 2:18 pm
sheshe507 Eltanin Sadachbia Truthfully, the only reason I am still here is for the sake of entertainment... I feel bad for Julri, as her thread is no-where near what she intended it to be about... It has definitely went off topic. I find it amusing that Sheshe says we don't deserve to read her posts... yet she tries to make points for us to agree or disagree with, but how can we even do that if we can't understand what she is wanting to say. I also find it amusing that she thinks that there are people who have already been participating in this thread who agree with her views, and who are not disgusted with her... I find it amusing that a 15 year old is arguing with people twice her age and calling them immature, when she has been a disrespectful little brat to EVERYONE here. If my children defended and portrayed me in the way that she has defended and portrayed her god, I would be dishonored, disappointed, and angry... as I would NEVER want my kids to be disrespectful and hateful to others for my sake.. Good job sheshe... If I had no other examples of good Muslims to go by, and I went by your example alone, I would despise your god.... In that case you should leave. This is a debate and discussion forum here. Since you seem to have no interest in these things, only in statements of what you consider to be fact, you have no place here.
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Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 2:23 pm
CalledTheRaven sheshe507 Eltanin Sadachbia Truthfully, the only reason I am still here is for the sake of entertainment... I feel bad for Julri, as her thread is no-where near what she intended it to be about... It has definitely went off topic. I find it amusing that Sheshe says we don't deserve to read her posts... yet she tries to make points for us to agree or disagree with, but how can we even do that if we can't understand what she is wanting to say. I also find it amusing that she thinks that there are people who have already been participating in this thread who agree with her views, and who are not disgusted with her... I find it amusing that a 15 year old is arguing with people twice her age and calling them immature, when she has been a disrespectful little brat to EVERYONE here. If my children defended and portrayed me in the way that she has defended and portrayed her god, I would be dishonored, disappointed, and angry... as I would NEVER want my kids to be disrespectful and hateful to others for my sake.. Good job sheshe... If I had no other examples of good Muslims to go by, and I went by your example alone, I would despise your god.... In that case you should leave. This is a debate and discussion forum here. Since you seem to have no interest in these things, only in statements of what you consider to be fact, you have no place here. 
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Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 7:27 pm
Is that Fluttershy directed at sheshe or at me?
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Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 7:49 pm
CalledTheRaven Is that Fluttershy directed at sheshe or at me? sheshe
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Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 7:50 pm
rmcdra CalledTheRaven Is that Fluttershy directed at sheshe or at me? sheshe Thought so. Just wanted to check.
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Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 7:50 am
rmcdra sheshe507 i c ur point. i dont no anything about this group so if thy r saying tht it is not againtst the religion 2 be gay and bi and les thn thy r wrong becuz r religion is strictly against tht. u can look it up in the muslim point of view of crs and c verses of the Quran saying tht tht is wrong. Then you should have no problem refuting this then: Qur'an FAQ. After all you are so smart and intelligent and all I seem to be able to do is post ponies these ppl r jst sum ppl who r trying 2 find loops in the Quran. thy r desperate for an excuse to allow such things in2 r religion. as said thy r NOT CERTAIN of the information. all i got out of reading tht was tht these ppl think tht maybe the quran was mistranslated, or tht sum things tht we tht were referring 2 a certain action reffered 2 sumthing else, in othr words thy r tryin 2 say tht sum things in the Quran r unclear so thy r saying maybe u can be gay and wat not and its not rong. but no it IS wrong they r jst desperate 4 an excuse. thywant 2 change r religion so tht thy make ppl think tht it is not haram (forbidden) and make themselves feel better cuz maybe thy hav tht issue.
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Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 8:00 am
Eltanin Sadachbia sheshe507 Eltanin Sadachbia I would gladly read Arto's posts all day, even though I do not agree with him on everything... You feel that your opinions are worth more than his soul? That is sad, it is disrespectful, it is hateful, it is hurtful...When people care what you think... but your lack of concern has pretty much made you a mockery, and the only reason people continue to reply is to see how much further down you can bring yourself in our opinions... Or maybe possibly show a little remorse rolleyes for the hate you have shown, though none of us would ever expect that of you... It is the fact that you are so prideful of how you feel, and your inability to show compassion when people disagree with you that shows us your immaturity... You are a child that feels she must validate her own opinions with nothing short of "You are right, and wise for all that you spew from your mouth".... A mature person knows that when they enter a debate or discussion, it is not to make people see it their way, or to convince others that they are right, but merely to express an educated opinion... or else they enter the discussion to educate themselves so that they may form an opinion on a matter that they did not previously have an opinion on... Yes, I just call it like I see it... I call you a brat because you are spiteful and hateful to those who cannot agree with your venomous opinions when you are uneducated about the views of others to begin with... No I do not equate myself with God... Do they not teach what a metaphor is in school anymore? Anyway... You don't know me, and I don't know you... I was willing to respect you before I knew you, and I tried to offer respect towards you in my first reply to you, and the first thing you said to me was "Shut the Hell up", so you are the one who set the tone of disrespect here... You lost mine, at least you had it once... I never had yours, and thus I can never take what you have to say as serious... I will gladly stand Allah's judgment, He is more loving than you and I have no fear for my own soul... So, let's see how much more of an a** you will make yourself... haha ur fnny. and im happy 2 c tht all my wasting of time replying 2 ur post got me sumthin. @ least u no Allah is a loving god and as for no fear for your soul dont fear im sure ur gunna regret all the terrible things u did in ur life on the day of ressurection.... im jst amzed how u cant even admit tht ur wrong wen u r and i can and like u said ur double my age. its sad rlly..... as 4 the respect if u respect me i will generously show it in return but even U fail 2 do so and u still have the nrve 2 tell me 2 show respect..... im jst treatin u ppl the way u treat me not any more or less respect me i will show a great deal of respect bak.......ur not gunna treat sum1 so mean 2 u the same way u treat sum1 who is endlessly generous 2 u get wat im sayinn? I don't see Allah as a loving God because of you... I already held that view point... but if all I had was your word to go on, I would curse Allah, because of the example you set within this thread.... But I have been shown love by others who practice Islam, and I respect that religion because of them, and because of them, I want to know more about it... If I had never met them, and I met you first, I would never have anything to do with it again. I would never want to know what the Qu'ran says, and I would be predisposed to think that Islam is a hateful religion. You say I am wrong on what? Homosexuality? What else? How have you proven anyone wrong in this thread on any topic? By asking people to show you a verse? I never said that homosexuality was or was not against the Qu'ran. I don't know enough about the Qu'ran to say one way or the other, so I will take your word for it. Yet this is an Islamic discussion so I am not going to start a discussion about what the Bible says. Besides, it's more complicated than just black and white for some people... and between the different sects, I can not speak for the whole, just give the interpretations that I believe... I would gladly share if you did not have such an air of haughtiness about you, and I don't want you to feel like I am shoving anything down your throat... so I will refrain from giving you verses and interpretation, as you have already formed your opinion... Because you have not shown the maturity to agree to disagree, I wouldn't deem you mature enough to understand the views that I hold, whether I agree with you or not... As I said, I tried to show respect in my first post to you, but you returned with a very short, acid reply without acknowledging that I was trying to have a real full length, adult, back-and-forth conversation with you... I did not berate you in my first post, and in fact, I tried to show to some degree where I saw where you were coming from... Yet you spat in my face, so to speak... and yes I expected it because of the way you were already treating others, but I did give you the benefit of the doubt... Something you never deserved given your actions in this thread. Where I first was at least trying to see where you were coming from, despite your lack of consideration for post style of the group or the lack of compassion for those who you feel are living a deplorable lifestyle, I now feel no respect for you, your ways, your opinions, and even to some degree, your beliefs... You should thank Allah that I have met other Muslims who show mercy and kindness, despite the differences between us. u can curse urself b4 u curse Allah. u hav no rite. and if u no othr muslims y donr u ask thm wat their view on homosexuality is thy might make u understand wat im tryin 2 say in a more clear respectful manner. i tried but obvie i failed cuz ur not listenin. i dont hav the patience maybe thy can help u understand ina way i NVR can. feel free 2 open a discussion concerning the bible. i 2 enjoy learning about othr religions. and i am open 2 listening wat u hav 2 say. i will listen 2 ur verses and interpretations and tell u wat i think and i will TRY 2 b more respectful and reasonable about it. i agree w/ many things in the bible it is similar 2 islam. at least it used 2 b.... and Allhamdulillah (thnk u allah) i thnk god 4 EVRYTHING not jst tht..... ps u can TRY 2 be more respectful I am.... smile
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Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 8:01 am
CalledTheRaven sheshe507 Eltanin Sadachbia Truthfully, the only reason I am still here is for the sake of entertainment... I feel bad for Julri, as her thread is no-where near what she intended it to be about... It has definitely went off topic. I find it amusing that Sheshe says we don't deserve to read her posts... yet she tries to make points for us to agree or disagree with, but how can we even do that if we can't understand what she is wanting to say. I also find it amusing that she thinks that there are people who have already been participating in this thread who agree with her views, and who are not disgusted with her... I find it amusing that a 15 year old is arguing with people twice her age and calling them immature, when she has been a disrespectful little brat to EVERYONE here. If my children defended and portrayed me in the way that she has defended and portrayed her god, I would be dishonored, disappointed, and angry... as I would NEVER want my kids to be disrespectful and hateful to others for my sake.. Good job sheshe... If I had no other examples of good Muslims to go by, and I went by your example alone, I would despise your god.... In that case you should leave. This is a debate and discussion forum here. Since you seem to have no interest in these things, only in statements of what you consider to be fact, you have no place here. im jst puttin my opinion out there ur the 1 choosing 2 respond. if u dont llike wats happenin here LEAVE
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Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 9:45 am
sheshe507 CalledTheRaven sheshe507 Eltanin Sadachbia Truthfully, the only reason I am still here is for the sake of entertainment... I feel bad for Julri, as her thread is no-where near what she intended it to be about... It has definitely went off topic. I find it amusing that Sheshe says we don't deserve to read her posts... yet she tries to make points for us to agree or disagree with, but how can we even do that if we can't understand what she is wanting to say. I also find it amusing that she thinks that there are people who have already been participating in this thread who agree with her views, and who are not disgusted with her... I find it amusing that a 15 year old is arguing with people twice her age and calling them immature, when she has been a disrespectful little brat to EVERYONE here. If my children defended and portrayed me in the way that she has defended and portrayed her god, I would be dishonored, disappointed, and angry... as I would NEVER want my kids to be disrespectful and hateful to others for my sake.. Good job sheshe... If I had no other examples of good Muslims to go by, and I went by your example alone, I would despise your god.... In that case you should leave. This is a debate and discussion forum here. Since you seem to have no interest in these things, only in statements of what you consider to be fact, you have no place here. im jst puttin my opinion out there ur the 1 choosing 2 respond. if u dont llike wats happenin here LEAVE I, and everyone else responding to you are doing so precisely because we are attemting to debate and discuss with you. You are trying to do neither. You are not doing these things. You are making statements of what you beleive to be fact with no interest in examining your beliefs. You'r not here to debate or to learn (the purpose of this guild). You're here to tell everyone else that they are wrong. And really, I don't have much need to continue talking to you. I'm more of a lurker here anyway and I only join in when i feel I have something of value to add. I don't find the ignorant statements of someone who doesn't even care about the topic enough to type out their thoughts properly all that compelling or worth my time. I merely commented on the fact that you don't really seem interested in the actual purpose of this guild. Since that appears to be the case, you might want to find a forum that is more suited to you. Good day.
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