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I really hate it when people say that Communism eliminates private property. It doesn't. It eliminates private INDUSTRY. Farms, factories, businesses, mines...these are now made into public work camps.

Communism doesn't take away my house. People can't barge in while I'm taking a shower and demand that I give them a shower because they're too lazy to walk to their dwelling. Communism rids of classes and the bourgeois' power, not our property.

All I'm saying is that it's still private property that I'm responsible for. As such, nobody should be able to enter without my permission. Also: I thought of a great city plan for a commune. Must draw picture now...

Grav: Who exactly is Mendel?

It may be property you are responsible for, but it certainly doesn't belong to you. It is the communiy's property and as such the community can take it away from you if it wishes.

In the example above about the showers. Say there was a masive plumbing ******** up and your house was the nly one in the street which had water. In this situation the state would be able to say "It will take us three weeks to repair the system, but it will also take three days for us to bring in some portable showers and toilets. You must let these people into your house to use your shower and toilet until we get the portable showers and toilets ready.

Mandel is a bloke who joined Trotskyism just before wwii. After wwii he made up a bunch of theories to justify abstention from the revolutionary workers movement.

For example his theory of 'waves' posits that in addition to the normal business cycle of 'boom-bust' there is a longer cycle which deals with the average. So in an 'up' wave, the tendency is for economic growth: though the economy goes up and down during the boom-bust of the business cycle, it is still generally moving upwards. The opposite is the cas for a 'down' cycle where the economy tends to shrink.

I won't bother explaining wat is wrong with that here because it isn't too important. What is important is the conclusions he drew for revolutionary action.

During the 'up' long-wave during the 70's? "Workers are being bought off, so we can't build a revolutionary movement now because they don't identify with socialism."

During the 'down' long-wave during the 90's? "Workers are being laid off, so we can't build a revolutionary movement because we have to fight to keep them employed."

No matter what the case was it is always not the right time for revolutionary propaganda.

That is just a part of his stuff, but it is the most obvious piece, and the easiest to explain without giving a history lesson on the 4th internationlal after world war 2.

The Genesis of Pabloism
That is really long, but VERY educational as far as the history of Trotskyism is concerned post ww2.

It deals with how Mandel's group came to exist, and the general direction of its development.

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Wiki is your friend (sure I have a hard copy, but I ain't typing that s**t out, so copypasta it is).

Wiki gives the current date, as well! In addition, it not only has the current date, but has the current time in the Decimal clock as well!

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Is it possible for a Communist State (Or lack thereof) to avoid stagnation without resorting to imperialism and / or changing the parameters that define stagnation?

If so, Elaborate on such methods.


Also, As we all know, In Capitalism there is an incentive to work as hard as possible in order to attain more monetary rewards for one's self, Their family and posterity.
In a Communist State (Or lack thereof), What would the incentive to work harder than your neighbor be?