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Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 5:31 pm
rachaella22 ^.^ Thanks! I'm always worried that I repeat myself or don't make sense. xP This should give me good practice with that sort of thing, though.
RockyRoad: Don't worry. It was short, sor my suffering wasn't prolonged.
The shipping wars on Gaia will be truely frightening if she does join. Dx *pushes her back to DA* The shipping wars on Gaia are scary now. Imagine them with her in 'em. *shivers*
Check out my new guild banner?
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Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 9:03 pm
sign me up
who is this person we are all talking about? i must have missed the memo...
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Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 11:02 pm
rachaella22 ^.^ Thanks! I'm always worried that I repeat myself or don't make sense. xP This should give me good practice with that sort of thing, though.
RockyRoad: Don't worry. It was short, sor my suffering wasn't prolonged.
The shipping wars on Gaia will be truely frightening if she does join. Dx *pushes her back to DA* Still, that kind of thing deserves a hug. *huggles* heart
Nuu, DA is where I hang out! *continues to shove her to random place away from Zutarians*
On another note, some other people jumped into my discussion with Spooty...One of them said we disrespect Mike and Bryan themselves by liking Zutara and that we bastardize the show. *face/palm*
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Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 11:10 pm
Teh_Sheba rachaella22 ^.^ Thanks! I'm always worried that I repeat myself or don't make sense. xP This should give me good practice with that sort of thing, though.
RockyRoad: Don't worry. It was short, sor my suffering wasn't prolonged.
The shipping wars on Gaia will be truely frightening if she does join. Dx *pushes her back to DA* Still, that kind of thing deserves a hug. *huggles* heart
Nuu, DA is where I hang out! *continues to shove her to random place away from Zutarians*
On another note, some other people jumped into my discussion with Spooty...One of them said we disrespect Mike and Bryan themselves by liking Zutara and that we bastardize the show. *face/palm*
Of all the rude things to say! Where's this discussion taking place? I'm gonna give those people a piece of my mind (w/o bashing, of course). Actually, if we Zutarians are "disrespecting" Mike and Bryan because of what we ship, then whta about the others? Sure, Kataang might happen (please no), but since nothing's happened as of yet, Kataangers are "disrespecting" Mike and Bryan for thinking they know what the outcome of the show is. They should think about what they say first, yes?
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Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 11:13 pm
zukpager305 sign me up who is this person we are all talking about? i must have missed the memo... You haven't missed much. We're talking about his Kataanger called Spootay. She/He is being very disrespectful to Teh_Sheba and rachaella22.
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Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 9:52 am
zukpager305 sign me up who is this person we are all talking about? i must have missed the memo... Added!
We're talking about Spootay. She's a fanartist on DA who pften makes comics that bash Zutarians, and she's recently written a shipping essay and posted it on LiveJournal. I think there's a link to it on one of the first pages.
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Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 9:54 am
Teh_Sheba On another note, some other people jumped into my discussion with Spooty...One of them said we disrespect Mike and Bryan themselves by liking Zutara and that we bastardize the show. *face/palm*
Dx We're bastardazing the show because we take interest in a pairing that isn't blatantly obvious? Where the hell did they get that from?
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Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 9:55 am
Random-Gal930 Teh_Sheba rachaella22 ^.^ Thanks! I'm always worried that I repeat myself or don't make sense. xP This should give me good practice with that sort of thing, though.
RockyRoad: Don't worry. It was short, sor my suffering wasn't prolonged.
The shipping wars on Gaia will be truely frightening if she does join. Dx *pushes her back to DA* Still, that kind of thing deserves a hug. *huggles* heart
Nuu, DA is where I hang out! *continues to shove her to random place away from Zutarians*
On another note, some other people jumped into my discussion with Spooty...One of them said we disrespect Mike and Bryan themselves by liking Zutara and that we bastardize the show. *face/palm*
Of all the rude things to say! Where's this discussion taking place? I'm gonna give those people a piece of my mind (w/o bashing, of course). Actually, if we Zutarians are "disrespecting" Mike and Bryan because of what we ship, then whta about the others? Sure, Kataang might happen (please no), but since nothing's happened as of yet, Kataangers are "disrespecting" Mike and Bryan for thinking they know what the outcome of the show is. They should think about what they say first, yes? =D Good point.
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Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 9:56 am
My debate with Spootay is still ongoing. xP I'm not sure which one of us is more stubborn.
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Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 12:36 pm
this Spootay person seems to be confused. first, visit her "how to be a die hard zutarian" picture on DA herethe first panel explains that zutarians contradict themselves. the panels six and seven point out that zutarians spend hours creating theories and other postings to prove or debunk other theories. okay, still with me. then she submits a disclaimer at the bottom of the page "**DISCLAIMER! THIS COMIC DOES NOT REPRESENT HOW ALL ZUTARIANS ACT! IT IS BASED ON A SMALL MINORITY OF THE FANDOM! I DO NOT ENDORSE HATING ZUTARA, NOR DO I HATE ZUTARA MYSELF**" okay, now here is where i rip her argument to shreds. if she is soo does not hate zutara, why does she bother to draw things like this? CONTRADICTION!! and why does she spend, oh, HOURS, writing and debunking theories??? CONTRADICTION!! the link that someone in this thread posted (i think on the second page) goes to a rant of hers in her da account. a comment of this rant told her that they had spent an hour reading it. if it takes an hour reading it, how long does it seriously take to write it?? i think its her disclaimer that irritated me the most. i don't know about you guys, but i don't publish random insulting comics or artwork aimed at disrespecting a rival ship.
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Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 12:59 pm
zukpager305 this Spootay person seems to be confused. first, visit her "how to be a die hard zutarian" picture on DA herethe first panel explains that zutarians contradict themselves. the panels six and seven point out that zutarians spend hours creating theories and other postings to prove or debunk other theories. okay, still with me. then she submits a disclaimer at the bottom of the page "**DISCLAIMER! THIS COMIC DOES NOT REPRESENT HOW ALL ZUTARIANS ACT! IT IS BASED ON A SMALL MINORITY OF THE FANDOM! I DO NOT ENDORSE HATING ZUTARA, NOR DO I HATE ZUTARA MYSELF**" okay, now here is where i rip her argument to shreds. if she is soo does not hate zutara, why does she bother to draw things like this? CONTRADICTION!! and why does she spend, oh, HOURS, writing and debunking theories??? CONTRADICTION!! the link that someone in this thread posted (i think on the second page) goes to a rant of hers in her da account. a comment of this rant told her that they had spent an hour reading it. if it takes an hour reading it, how long does it seriously take to write it?? i think its her disclaimer that irritated me the most. i don't know about you guys, but i don't publish random insulting comics or artwork aimed at disrespecting a rival ship. xD Couldn't have said it better my self.
Hypocrisy is a funny thing, isn't it?
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Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 3:03 pm
Could someone help me? I'm seriously not in the mood to keep going on with this debate, but I don't wanna back down and let her think she's won.
Okay, here's my comment:Quote: Honestly, I think that moment can be interpreted differently. I know; I've said that about pretty much every moment, but that's just how I feel. You may or may not have read GreenifyME's essay on DeviantArt, but in it she says something about that episode I agree whole-heartedly with. Katara is very close to Aang, and she's used to being the center of his attention. Suddenly, he's focusing all his attention on someone else, and she worries about them growing apart. Then again, this is just a matter of opinion and different views. Okay, maybe things changing in one episode is a bit of a longshot. However, I still believe her feelings for him could change drastically. She'll be around him constantly for the next few episodes, which will give her a chance to see the different sides of him. I believe that she'd gradually begin to warm up to him, and then something (I'm not sure what) would happen to trigger her total forgiveness and acceptance of him. From there things would only improve. Katara is willing to kill for Aang now because his dying has shown to her how easily she can lose him. Before, it probably seemed impossible, something that would never happen. Add on to that the fact that Zuko has done nothing but try and harm Aang, and you have a a death threat. As Iroh said, people don't choose when and where they make a life or fall in love - it just happens. What would make Zuko a jerk is if he went out looking for someone else to be with. Plus, even if he did develop feelings for Katara, I don't think he'd jump into a relationship right away - they have other things to focus on first. And who says they have to be madly in love by the end of the show? I'd be happy if there was just the subtle hint of them developing feelings for each other in the last episode. Avatar is full of twist and turns. Anything could happen. That's a fact of the show. Here's her response:Quote: Ok, that's not a fair interpretation. That's the intereptation of someone who's not taking the moment for what it is. I've read Greeny's essays and they are all HEAVILY biased. More so than I've ever been. I've been rational. She's been a wishful thinker. Katara is not IN LOVE with Aang yet. So no, she wouldn't be jumping him when he kissed her. And be all excited. She's still confused and un-sure. She was SAD he was leaving. She leaned into the kiss, closed her eyes and was still into it when he was done. She blushed and watched him leave. But he was leaving to WAR and she KNEW it. She's not going to be selfish and be all "omg I've wanted to tell you I have a crush on you all this time!" It's not in her character and it NEVER HAS BEEN. She's at the stage of liking him that he was in during Book 2. The crushy, blushy kind. Aang has come to terms with his feelings and he's confident in them. He knows he's in love with her. He's not awkward about it. Not like Katara is anyway. Remember, Katara is a kid too. In "The Headband" Sokka said, SPECIFICALLY, "THEY look good together" and Katara said, with jealousy "eh, if that's what you like." It's RIDICULOUS to take that as her being jealous of him getting attention from other people. Because he had the WHOLE ROOM of people with their attention. It was his attention with that GIRL. A girl he "looked good with" and was enjoying his company romantically that made her jealous. To not take that for what it is only proves that Zutarians are ignoring this VITAL clue into Katara's feelings. It goes further in depth when Aang asks her to dance. She's sitting there, bummed out. He asks her to dance. She fumbles, plays with her hair, acts nervous. He tells her confidently "take my hand" She smiles brightly. "OK!" She WANTED to dance with him. She was acting like she didn't because she was nervous. This isn't rocket science. There should be no confusion in that scene. She wanted to. It's CLASSIC. There is no other way to see this unless you were just ignoring the scene because you don't want to see it. They begin to dance, people are watching, she doesn't like the attention on them sharing this moment. He tells her "don't worry about the, it's just you and me right now"....it's just THEM. She BLUSHES and then gives him a look that NO MOTHER FIGURE EVER gives a "SON". She LIKES HIM. He's taking control, being sauve. Being all the things she likes in a guy, if Jet proved anything. Commanding a room, being confident, being charasmatic. Aang is IT in that moment and she LIKES IT, and EVERYTHING in that episode PROVES she likes him. To say she was jealous that he was getting attention from others is ridiculous. He gets attention from other people all the time. Maybe in Warriors of Kyoshi she was jealous of the attention his FANS were giving him, afterall, she is an Avatar fangirl, and he was being a jerk about it, but this was the attention of a girl who liked him. And it made her jealous. She wasn't jealous of the room or kids fawning over him. JUST THAT GIRL. Her essay was biased, in a way meant to brainwash people into seeing a view that ignores actual evidence. This is the same mentality that when Mai glared at Azula in the Headband, it meant she was in league with her, when in fact, it was AGAINST Azula. She knows she's up to something, and it foreshadows Mai's eventual betrayal towards Azula. Not against Zuko. Edit: I've got half my response figured out, but I keep getting stumped by the third paragraph. I vaguely know what I wanna say, but I just can't put it to words. xP
Edit 2: Nevermind. I figured it out.
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Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 4:25 pm
rachaella22, where's this debate going down? Link? I'm willing to help you out on this, since I haven't done much at all. For one thing, she was NOT being rational. At all. If GreenifyME was being a "wishful thinker", then Spootay is being a biased writer.
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Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 4:29 pm
Debate is here
xP Blaah. I'm just getting really tired of it. I feel almost like I'm repeating myself, and some of the rude things she says really grates on my nerves. I know she doesn't care about being rude, though. She basically said it's part of her personality. >.<
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Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 5:31 pm
I think its funny how she calls GreenifyME bias when GrennifyME was looking through the possiblities and stating what she thinks will happen. Spootay seems like she doesn't even try to look from a different point of view. I know people who may not like a certain shipping but will at least see another point of view even though they don't think it will happen.
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