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Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 11:51 am
I am not going to debate whether abortion is "good" or "evil". I have to say, that is pretty much obvious.
I do not think abortion should be used as casual birth control. Condoms and day-after pills, etc. are always ALWAYS better. But there are times when those don't work, and there are times when the woman doesn't have control over the situation, ex. date rape, and other rape situations.
But I do think abortion is absolutely necessary, and shouldn't ever be illegal. I haven't done a whole lot of research, no, but it's not of consequence because that doesn't have a whole lot to do with what I think of the matter.
1. No one knows the baby yet. I think it would be better to lose a mass of flesh no one knows or has any special attachment to (aside, of course, from the mother) rather than, say, a teenage girl who has many friends but decides to commit suicide because she knows she was unwanted (which is obviously the case if the mother is even vaguely considering abortion). 2. "Human" has a blurry definition. Personally I think the developing embryo is not human. It can become human but it is not human yet. In order to create a stand on whether or not you are "murdering" a "human", you must define "human" for yourself. 3. Odd point, but I don't quite see how an abortion is different from a period. The egg and walls of the uterus, that's living material, too. It's just as living as a fetus... And has just as much an opportunity for life. And every single month, provided it has not been fertilized, it is shed from our body forever, dead. And no one has come up yet with a way to prevent a period, right? Women don't have a child every single time they form an egg. 4. It is always better to have a choice than to not. It is, in fact, the woman's choice as to whether or not they get the abortion. If they want it, they want it, it's their body and only they have any say over what happens to it. It's not as though anyone is forcing them to do it. No one should be able to force them not to do it. 5. The world is overpopulated, and the adoption agencies are stuffed. The population of the world just keeps rising. If abortions are outlawed the children that are not wanted will just keep being born and let live in a world that didn't want them, and adding more and more stress upon the natural environment, which will, eventually, collapse. The earth cannot support the number of people there would be. So, if abortions are outlawed the government would probably like... periodically kill off a numbered group of people so the world doesn't die. So, you say, let the child be born and put it in an adoption agency, right? There aren't that many people that want to adopt. The child is, very likely, going to sit in that adoption agency for a very, very long time and there's even a good chance they won't ever be adopted. 6. Even if abortion becomes illegal, it will still be practiced. Yeah, you know how narcotics, etc. are supposedly illegal? And they're still all over the place? If abortion's outlawed it's just gonna pop up in little backwater clinics, and they'll have worse equipment and less practice, thus making it even more dangerous for what mothers get them.
I could make more points but I'm distracted right now. You can choose to dislike abortion, and you can choose to not have it. But no one should be allowed to make such a choice for another woman.
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Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 3:03 pm
Dysfunctional Design 3. Odd point, but I don't quite see how an abortion is different from a period. The egg and walls of the uterus, that's living material, too. It's just as living as a fetus... And has just as much an opportunity for life. And every single month, provided it has not been fertilized, it is shed from our body forever, dead. And no one has come up yet with a way to prevent a period, right? Women don't have a child every single time they form an egg. Sever a rift in the red-stained clouds with my torn wings.
I've never thought of that, but once you think about it they are very similar. The only difference is that an embryo is a fertilized egg.
I don't know really what else to add, but I do see how an abortion is like a period.
See, I can flutter better than you thought.
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Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 11:19 am
Abortion yes or no....well im for no because no life should be ended...its not there fault (the baby) its the people who have sex without proper safety...if they dont want the baby...they can give it to someone who actually wants a kid...why end a life when u could give life.
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Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 3:21 pm
NO! it is your responsabilty to use protection. if u were raped, then u should have an abortion, cuz, well, u have no choice.
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Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 5:53 pm
Honestly, I think evolutionists/people who believe in the "Big Bang" theory who also argue that the fetus isn't human yet because it's a "mass of tissue" or whatever, are completely contradicting their beliefs. 3nodding
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Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 5:56 pm
Goldfish-Queen Undiscovered Artist Ezzie likes soda I feel that abortion should only be legal in certain cercumstances. 1. If the mother's life is in danger 2. If the baby will die no matter what precautions are taken 3. If the baby will be born with some kind of terrible disease (like the one where they are missing the protiens that hole the skin to the bones) 4. Rape Well, as for number 1, that contradicts itself because abortion IS dangerous for the woman, and it puts her at risk for an ectopic pregnancy, which is also dangerous. neutral But for some women, having a child could kill them, while an abortion wouldn't harm them..
It's impossible to tell whether or not the abortion will harm the woman before it is done.
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Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 6:00 pm
Lord Sadist I definitely think that abortion should be legal. Thinking to the basics of it, anyone who is even considering abortion is obviously aware of the fact that they wouldn't be able to raise the child well financially Correct me if I'm mistaken, but doesn't abortion cost money? The woman could give it up for adoption for free. It costs to adopt a child, but not to give a child up for adoption.
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Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 11:52 pm
Undiscovered Artist Lord Sadist I definitely think that abortion should be legal. Thinking to the basics of it, anyone who is even considering abortion is obviously aware of the fact that they wouldn't be able to raise the child well financially Correct me if I'm mistaken, but doesn't abortion cost money? The woman could give it up for adoption for free. It costs to adopt a child, but not to give a child up for adoption. And does it not cost to give birth in a hospital? I think without proper attendants etc. a home delivery would be almost as dangerous as an abortion.
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Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 11:54 pm
Undiscovered Artist Honestly, I think evolutionists/people who believe in the "Big Bang" theory who also argue that the fetus isn't human yet because it's a "mass of tissue" or whatever, are completely contradicting their beliefs. 3nodding I'd like to see this explained.
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Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 5:46 pm
Dysfunctional Design Undiscovered Artist Honestly, I think evolutionists/people who believe in the "Big Bang" theory who also argue that the fetus isn't human yet because it's a "mass of tissue" or whatever, are completely contradicting their beliefs. 3nodding I'd like to see this explained. I'm confused about this, as well. I don't see how a sudden and unplanned explosion of particles resulting in the universe is anything like a deliberate collection of DNA and tissue resulting in a life form.
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Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 2:06 am
Dysfunctional Design Undiscovered Artist Honestly, I think evolutionists/people who believe in the "Big Bang" theory who also argue that the fetus isn't human yet because it's a "mass of tissue" or whatever, are completely contradicting their beliefs. 3nodding I'd like to see this explained. In this theory, it is said that all life slowly evolved from cells, on to tissues, etc. Does that explain enough? I don't feel much like going into deep detail at the moment but if it isn't clear I'll explain deeper.
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Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 4:56 pm
Undiscovered Artist Dysfunctional Design Undiscovered Artist Honestly, I think evolutionists/people who believe in the "Big Bang" theory who also argue that the fetus isn't human yet because it's a "mass of tissue" or whatever, are completely contradicting their beliefs. 3nodding I'd like to see this explained. In this theory, it is said that all life slowly evolved from cells, on to tissues, etc. Does that explain enough? I don't feel much like going into deep detail at the moment but if it isn't clear I'll explain deeper. Well, yeah, that is what's said... If life evolving from a cell is to be compared to a fetus growing into an adult... A cell is only a building block, a thing from which life is made, and to compare, a fetus only the mass of tissue from which a human will grow.
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Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 7:42 am
If we didn't have cells, we wouldn't be alive.
If a woman has a miscarriage, whether the baby is a bunch of tissue or not, it dies.
How can something die but not be alive?
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Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 8:36 am
Here's a list of the most common pro-choice arguements and what I have to say to them:
1. The issue is who decides: the woman or the state. It's about freedom of choice.
My look on it: As used by abortion advocates, the term "pro-choice" is neither accurate or honest. At least three people are affected by abortion: the father, the mother, and the child. The pro-choice arguement is that only one is entitled to a choice (that is, the mother). The legal rights to become a prostitute or to use cocainne also affect a woman's right to choose, do they not? Abortion lobbyists focus the whole thing on "choice" and "who decides" because they can't afford for the public to see what's being chosen and decided. In other words, if you are implying that the issue is not abortion but rather choice, you're saying that what's being chosen is irrelevant. In 1858 during the Lincoln - Douglas debates (over slavery), Stephen Douglas made this statement about outlawing slavery: “I am now speaking of rights under the Constitution, and not of moral or religious rights. I do not discuss the morals of the people favoring slavery, but let them settle that matter for themselves. I hold that the people who favor slavery are civilized, that they bear consciences, and that they are accountable to God and their posterity and not to us. It is for them to decide therefore the moral and religious right of the slavery question for themselves within their own limits.” If you were to replace the word "slavery" with "abortion," you get the pro-choice arguement. Lincoln's reply was “He cannot say that he would as soon see a wrong voted up as voted down. When Judge Douglas says whoever, or whatever community, wants slaves, they have a right to them, he is perfectly logical if there is nothing wrong in the institution; but if you admit that it is wrong, he cannot logically say that anybody has a right to do a wrong.”
2. The Supreme Court settled this once and for all in 1973 by saying that women have a constitutional right to abortion.
My answer: Harry Blackmun, the Supreme Court Justice who wrote Roe v. Wade, had it down in his notes that the Constitution contained no foundation to support their political agenda. Therefore, the Supreme Court's reasoning in making abortion legal was that the unborn baby is not a U.S. citizen. In their 1857 Dred Scott decision, they ruled that slavery was constitutional because black people were not “citizens.” We do not have to accept that abortion is a settled issue because of Roe v. Wade anymore than our ancestors had to accept that slavery was a settled issue because of Dred Scott.
3. Why should abortion be illegal if the pregnancy threatens the woman's life?
First of all, due to modern medicine, this is very rare. Now allow me to make a comparison. If a car wreck has trapped two passengers in such a way that saving one might take the life of the other, the emergency personnel on the scene would never intentionally kill one to get the other one out. Instead, they would do everything possible to save both. In the same way, a doctor should do everything he or she could to save both the mother and the child if the pregnancy proved to be threatening.
4. What if the woman isn't financially stable to be a mom?
When a woman is pregnant, she is already a mom. Child birth terminates a pregnancy. Abortion terminates a pregnancy as well as a life. And again, giving a child up for adoption is free whereas abortion costs money. They also have programs where a family willing and wishing to raise an adopted child supports a pregnant woman financially so that when she delivers, they can raise her baby.
5. Abortion is so much safer than pregnancy.
On the contrary, abortion can be even more dangerous than pregnancy. As it is with any surgery, it is not guaranteed that an abortion's outcome won't damage a woman's health. If abortion is really safer than pregnancy, why don't we have all pregnant women get abortions? You're saying that would save them, right?
6. You have no right to tell others what to believe. You people are just anti-choice extremists.
Well, if the politically correct term for "choice" is killing defenseless children by the millions, than pro-life people must be anti-choice. Laws are made to control behavior, not thought or beliefs. Laws which prohibit armed robbery are not at all concerned about what people think about armed robbery, as long as they don’t commit them. That is how we view abortion.
7. What if no one wants to adopt the baby? In that case, abortion is the better option.
Anyone who uses this arguement is completely ignorant to the fact that thousands of couples out there who are unable to have children of their own would love to adopt a child. Yes, there are acutally those out there who would love your child as if he or she were their own. There are those who actually want to raise child. Giving your unwanted child up for adoption would not only be doing the child a service, but the people who are willing to raise it.
8. What about overpopulation?
Do we really need to worry about that when about 4,000 abortions have been occuring a day (which is more than the number of people injured or killed in the Twin Towers attack on 9/11 and certainly more than the total number of marines who have died in Iraq). And anyway, if you're going to use this as an excuse to kill the unborn, why stop there? It would be easy to put a legal limit on life at the other end as well, and enforce it through mandatory euthanasia at a pre-determined age. At the very least, we should immediately outlaw any medical research that’s intended to extend life. I mean, it makes no sense to spend billions of dollars every year to look for a way to make people live longer if we're overpopulating the world. Clearly, overpopulation must not be a serious threat at the moment if such scientific research is even being bothered with.
9. Every child should be a wanted child. Abortion will put a limit to child abuse.
The right to life of a human being is not determined by whether or not some other human being wants them. The fact is, since abortion was made legal in 1973, we have killed unborn children by the tens of millions yet child abuse has increased dramatically. If parents are abusive to unwanted child, why didn't they think of getting an abortion before having the unwanted child? If legalized abortion reduces child abuse by making sure that every child is a wanted child – and since you’ve executed between 45 and 50 million children so far – where did all these children who are being abused today come from?
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Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 11:42 pm
Dysfunctional Design Undiscovered Artist Lord Sadist I definitely think that abortion should be legal. Thinking to the basics of it, anyone who is even considering abortion is obviously aware of the fact that they wouldn't be able to raise the child well financially Correct me if I'm mistaken, but doesn't abortion cost money? The woman could give it up for adoption for free. It costs to adopt a child, but not to give a child up for adoption. And does it not cost to give birth in a hospital? I think without proper attendants etc. a home delivery would be almost as dangerous as an abortion. Giving birth does cost money, but the woman giving birth doesn't pay for it, as it's something that's supposed to happen anyway. Abortions, on the other hand, aren't much different from plastic surgery, so the woman does have to pay for it.
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