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 Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 9:34 am
I am highly, highly ashamed of you all.
No, Clip9 was not in the right at all about continued attacks against Legions. There was a miscommunication between the two of us, as I was going to talk to the Legions leaders about their continued Feud.
All of you would be in the same position he would be in, if you were farming an Alliance single-handedly and suddenly had to stop when you weren't aware of the NAP in place when you joined.
This was not a matter for everyone to get involved in. This is between the Commanders, myself, and Clip9. If you have a complaint, direct it to your superior. Do not handle it on your own.
What's the point in making a hierarchy in the first place, if no one is going to follow it?
In any case, I want to talk to the Commanders about whether or not we need an NAP with an Alliance that has trouble dealing with one single player.
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 11:27 am
I sent a message to Alexi first, he's usually the first person to get online of the 4 commanders and then sent a message to clip9 asking what the hell was up. As you saw he pretty much said "******** you I don't care about the rules".
In retrospect I could have handled it differently but I just got off work, was tired and freaked out. We've been trying really hard to work on our appearance as a whole and having someone attack someone on our NAPs list is a pretty big no no. Makes people think "We'll whats the point if we're the only ones who plan on keeping to our word".
Anyways I'm glad he's gone. He had no intention of stopping, swear to Mod the guy sounded like Eisenhorn is his ******** role model. For the Emporer and all. (Sorry, just borrowed the book from a friend for airplane reading material =D)
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 12:50 pm
I fully intend on inviting him back once he finishes playing with Legions.
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 1:15 pm
Arcadian I fully intend on inviting him back once he finishes playing with Legions. It's your call, and I'll admitt the matter should have been left to the higher ups. We did get a little jumpy on that. But, personally, I'm not to sad to see him go . confused
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 1:21 pm
Arcadian I fully intend on inviting him back once he finishes playing with Legions. Could I inquire as to your reasoning there, Arc? I'm trying to understand -first- and -then- react... lately I've been doing the opposite and I'm trying to fix that.
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 2:34 pm
Arcadian I fully intend on inviting him back once he finishes playing with Legions. Considering how I acted, I probably don't have much say at this point, but I advise against it. He may be a guy who is powerful, and probably useful, but he knows as well as anyone that we had a NAP with Legions. He's been confronted with it several times. If he can't hold off like that because of our treaties, even if he's winning, how are we to know he's not going to do it again? I'd rather have a group full of rational people than powerful people. That's why I'm somewhat uncertain about Poop's actions, lately. He's not so different. I'm a warlord, yes, but I try to at least follow an honorable path in it. Sometimes, I can't help but wonder if I'm the only one.
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 3:04 pm
Now that I understand what the hell was going on, if he can be brought back and be under our command, I won't have a problem with it.
He's got a nicely sized army, the only problem being that he might be a wee bit big for his britches. I'll welcome a beast of burden, but I won't put up with any Mad Dog but myself.
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 3:40 pm
Oooh. Drama. I saw an IGM from Catrix about the situation, but hadn't had time to adequately look into the matter. Looks like I'm coming into this a little on the late side. Sorry, all. Do keep me in the loop, and Arc I will look forward to that discussion on what we look for in our allies and our pact-brothers. I'll try to do some research and come in with an idea or two about my thoughts, but as I said - I've been a little busy recently.
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 5:18 pm
Arcadian I am highly, highly ashamed of you all. No, Clip9 was not in the right at all about continued attacks against Legions. There was a miscommunication between the two of us, as I was going to talk to the Legions leaders about their continued Feud. All of you would be in the same position he would be in, if you were farming an Alliance single-handedly and suddenly had to stop when you weren't aware of the NAP in place when you joined. This was not a matter for everyone to get involved in. This is between the Commanders, myself, and Clip9. If you have a complaint, direct it to your superior. Do not handle it on your own. What's the point in making a hierarchy in the first place, if no one is going to follow it? In any case, I want to talk to the Commanders about whether or not we need an NAP with an Alliance that has trouble dealing with one single player. I thought we did follow the hierarchy. The message I passed along to you and Evil, I did not write to Clip9, and I replied to the message sent to me saying that it was not my area, but the sector commander and our leader were now aware of the situation and it would be dealt with. If we are not allowed to vent our frustrations with a rogue member here, where are we? Or am I simply not allowed to question your decisions? Chain of command, yes, and I will abide by your decisions. However we should also be allowed to discuss them and know the reason behind any major change in policy, eg allowing members to disregard an NAP we currently have. It doesn't feel right. I know you are trying to make our alliance strong, and having an NAP with such a weak alliance probably does us no good, but Clip9 should have held off attacking them until we rescinded our NAP. That is all I am saying. Edit: Okay, that was an over-reaction, sorry. I was upset that Clip9 was apparently above the rules the rest of us follow, and then with your response it felt that our new alliance structure means the opinions of the rest of us do not matter anymore. On re-reading the last few pages, I did get ahead of myself and misinterpret what was being said. Apologies. *goes into the corner for a post-tantrum sulk*
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 6:35 pm
There is a little more to it than any of us seem to understand. Let's let Arc explain what happened before we start screaming at each other.
I'm one of the worst about that.
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 10:23 pm
*watches quietly from the sidelines with big eyes*
I think we all need a hug, but then I'm part of the touchy-feely contingent. 3nodding
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Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 2:44 am
Ginnokage *watches quietly from the sidelines with big eyes* I think we all need a hug, but then I'm part of the touchy-feely contingent. 3nodding *puts down the weapons briefly and hugs* I think it's perfectly understandable that I'm upset. Someone's telling me they're -ashamed- of me for not knowing something They Didn't Bother To Tell Anyone. That's not going to make anyone happy, but it impacts me pretty damned hard. *several paragraphs snipped* I'm angry and I'm frustrated and most of all I'm -hurt-. I'm not psychic. I will likely (hopefully) never BE psychic. And I resent being punished even verbally for breaking rules nobody bothered to inform us about. I want to know what the rest of the situation is, and any other secret deals that're going on... before we hit another land mine like this. HME started as a loose confederation of friends, and this is -not- how friends treat each other; I think the loss of that is why I'm staying upset lately... there're so many new people that the core of the alliance is getting lost in the noise.
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Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 10:48 pm
Status Update (Warning looooong)
Edoras: Population 762
Wood: 1500/hr
> 2 @ Level 11
> 2 @ Level 10
Clay: 1500/hr
> 2 @ Level 11
> 2 @ Level 10
Iron: 1800/hr
> 2 @ Level 11
> 2 @ Level 10
Wheat: 1968/hr
> 6 @ Level 10
Buildings in Progress:
Level 15: Hero's Mansion, Town Hall, Trade Office
Level 13: Palace (building 14)
Level 10: Academy, Stable, Barracks
Level 3: Blacksmith
Level 1: Rally Point, Embassy
Buildings Maxed:
Level 20: Main Building, Marketplace, Warehouse, Granary, Stonemason, Palisade
Level 5: Flour Mill, Brickworks, Iron Foundry, Sawmill, Bakery
Upgrades: Thunder Offense level 1, Swordsman Offense level 2
Troops:
41 Swordsmen
5 Pathfinder
11 Theutates Thunder
11 Druidrider
3 Pathfinder @ Dunharrow (Balcerzak)
3 Pathfinder @ Aldburg (Balcerzak)
15 Druidrider @ Aldburg (Balcerzak)
3 Pathfinder @ Snowbourne(Balcerzak)
2 Phalanx @ Snowbourne (Balcerzak)
Stock:
[Wood] 24806/80000
[Clay] 12647/80000 (+ 1200 incoming merchants)
[Iron] 16799/80000 (+ 1200 incoming merchants)
[Wheat] 5798/80000 (+ 14400 merchants for sale)
[Wheat consumption] 1407/3375
Oases: +25% Iron, +25% Wheat, +50% Wheat
Intended Builds: Supplying daughter cities. Palace.
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The Hornburg: Population 689
Wood: 1500/hr
> 4 @ Level 10
Clay: 1875/hr
> 5 @ Level 10
Iron: 750/hr
> 3 @ Level 10
Wheat: 1757/hr
> 6 @ Level 10
Buildings in Progress:
Level 15: Hero's Mansion, Barracks (building 16), Palisade
Level 10: Residence, Academy, Stable, Trade Office
Level 3: Blacksmith
Level 1: Rally Point, Cranny, Town Hall
Buildings Maxed:
Level 20: Main Building, Warehouse, Granary, Armory, Marketplace
Level 5: Flour Mill, Brickworks, Sawmill, Bakery
Upgrades: Phalanx Defense level 20
Troops:
300 Phalanx
2 Pathfinder
50 Thunder
75 Phalanx @ Oasis (79|-157) (The Hornburg - Balcerzak)
75 Phalanx @ Oasis (77|-156) (The Hornburg - Balcerzak)
400 Phalanx @ Edoras (Balcerzak)
75 Phalanx @ Oasis (67|-140) (Edoras - Balcerzak)
75 Phalanx @ Oasis (65|-141) (Edoras - Balcerzak)
200 Phalanx @ Dunharrow (Balcerzak)
200 Phalanx @ Aldburg (Balcerzak)
100 Phalanx @ Snowbourne (Balcerzak)
Stock:
[Wood] 14454/80000
[Clay] 28050/80000
[Iron] 6695/80000 (+ 8000 incoming merchants)
[Wheat] 31262/80000 (+ 18000 merchants for sale)
[Wheat consumption] 1243/3000
Oases: +25% Wood, +25% Wheat, +25% Clay, +25% Wheat
Intended Builds: Barracks, Phalanx, Supplying Snowbourne.
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Dunharrow: Population 470
Wood: 313/hr
> 1 @ Level 10
Clay: 250/hr
> 1 @ Level 10
Iron: 250/hr
> 1 @ Level 10
Wheat: 1222/hr
> 1 @ Level 10
> 14 @ Level 7
Buildings in Progress:
Level 17: Warehouse
Level 16: Blacksmith
Level 15: Palisade, Rally Point, Stable
Level 10: Residence, Hero's Mansion, Blacksmith, Academy
Level 3: Barracks
Level 1: Cranny
Buildings Maxed:
Level 20: Main Building, Marketplace, Granary
Level 5: Flour Mill, Bakery
Upgrades: Thunder Offense 12 (researching 13)
Troops:
346 Thunder
1 Hero (Thunder) lvl 6 [Attack 2650, Defense 40/65, 0% Off-Bonus, 0% Def-Bonus, Regeneration 30/day, current health 100%]
Stock:
[Wood] 11464/45700
[Clay] 7039/45700
[Iron] 11042/45700 (+ 9750 incoming merchants)
[Wheat] 25143/80000
[Wheat consumption] 1368/2590
Oases: +25% Wood, +25% Wheat,
Intended Builds: Blacksmith, Blacksmith upgrades (Thunder), Thunder.
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Aldburg: Population 351
Wood: 735/hr
> 4 @ Level 8
> 1 @ Level 7
Clay: 750/hr
> 3 @ Level 10
Iron: 613/hr
> 2 @ Level 9
> 2 @ Level 8 (one building to 9)
Wheat: 286/hr
> 2 @ Level 8
> 4 @ Level 7
Buildings in Progress:
Level 17: Warehouse
Level 14: Granary
Level 10: Hero's Mansion, Residence
Level 5: Marketplace, Academy
Level 4: Flour Mill
Level 3: Barracks
Level 1: Rally Point, Palisade
Buildings Maxed:
Level 20: Main Building
Upgrades:
Troops:
Stock:
[Wood] 2461/45700
[Clay] 10348/45700
[Iron] 9907/45700
[Wheat] 4552/25900
[Wheat consumption] 587/873
Oases: +25% Wood, +25% Wheat
Intended Builds: Resources to 10
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Snowbourne: Population 167
Wood: 263/hr
> 3 @ Level 7
Clay: 376/hr
> 1 @ Level 8
> 2 @ Level 7
Iron: 238/hr
> 2 @ Level 7
> 1 @ Level 6 (one building to 7)
Wheat: 230/hr
> 1 @ Level 6
> 8 @ Level 5
Buildings in Progress:
Level 10: Main Building
Level 9: Warehouse
Level 6: Granary
Level 2: Residence
Level 1: Rally Point, Palisade, Flour Mill, Marketplace, Barracks
Upgrades:
Troops:
Stock:
[Wood] 518/9600
[Clay] 1873/9600
[Iron] 2155/9600
[Wheat] 1401/5000
[Wheat consumption] 281/511
Oases: +25% Clay, +25% Wheat
Intended Builds: Resources, tech to swords
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Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 12:58 am
Silkara has been made my sitter while i'm gone.
Don't start any wars without me.
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Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 4:18 am
Nicofelle gets his resources back:
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Misguided Kinjion,
I noticed today that you struck against my good friend and ally, Nicofelle, killing his men and taking what was not protected by his walls and stores. If there is some reason behind this attack, please tell me. If there is no reason, then return what you have taken. The Holy Modist Alliance does not kindly receive attacks upon it's members, nor does it forgive them.
Mah'Ahrrir the Red
Emperor of the Black Keep
Subcommander, Quadrant I
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Subcommander Mah'Ahrrir,
The attack was launched in order to gain access to resources as expediently as possible in order to enable my hero to conquer oases. However, I assume that you will find such a reason inacceptable, even though it is deeply engrained in Teutonic nature, and therefore, I will restore the captured resources to Nicofelle after my merchants have returned from their roamings.
Also, should you have need of my considerable army in a time of war, feel free to call upon me for assistance.
Pax,
Kinjion
Prince of Hesparia
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Royal Kinjion,
My apologies on the tone of my earlier message, clearly I mistook you for a man of a less reasonable nature. I would be extremely happy to see that those resources were returned, and I am sure my ally would be as well. I understand your willingness to raid, but I may suggest leaving those in my alliance out of your sights. Perhaps in time, we may find it mutually beneficial to be closer friends.
Regards,
Mah'Ahrrir the Red
Emperor of the Black Keep
Subcommander, Quadrant I
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I'm still watching out for you, buddy. wink
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