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| Aries |
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 Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 11:54 pm
.[.pink.spider.]. StrawberrieIceCream Pink, what I would be very interested in is YOUR take on it, without having to copy and paste something from another website. All you've really been doing is saying, "Cloud loves Aerith, here's why... *link* *link* *copy paste* *commentary* *link*." You continue to assume that this will explain everything, or provide more support for your opinion, but it doesn't. I would like to see what you, yourself, could type out on your own, without having to use someone else's work to prove a point. It may be nice to find others who agree with you and who can provide some evidence to support what you believe, but that isn't you typing.
And to comment on some things... Relying on a commercial, which was made solely to garner attention for the game so that it would have good sales, is not that good. It'd be like taking PS Magazine's word for everything, and they're the magazine that continues to refer to Vincent as a vampire. Commercials get the consumer interested in the product, but do not tell the whole story, if any of it. They didn't make an infomercial on the game, just a commercial. 'Tis only marketing, not storytelling.
It'd be like relying on a brief fifteen-thirty second commercial on a cleaning product to tell you how perfect it is and believing it when, in reality, it may actually work quite differently on that pet stain near the couch in your living room. The commercial will tell you what you want to hear, not what the product always is.
Commercial = "I, Squaresoft, want your money, so please buy my nice, shiny new game. You know you want it."
and I have
when I get it off a site I usually say that blah blah I agree with this
but ya I do write my opinion
I have written quite a few things
and I dont think its so nice to assume that I copy and paste everything
I do alot but not everthing
aha I dont blame you though cuz you dont know me
I could be like 50 year old man in disguise : D
you'll never know...
but anyways
I guess its just my nature I like taking alot of different things and putting them together
random but ya
and I do have my own style of discussing a topic
like I usually cut off my sentences
and have short lines
hmm...what else I say 'hmm' alot
and I say 'ya' alot also
I sometimes use complex words
I type kinda fast
I usually put a lot of questions in my statements
and I say 'no?' alot too
ya thats about it
oh I make my text size small!
I dont really get your commercial analogy sweatdrop but I mean they cant just make something totally not related to the game and still get square's approval. I mean square must have approved this commercial no?
However, I would like to make this clear. I am very well aware that you do type your own opinion, but I am afraid I was not clear in my previous statement. You have yet to post something that is entirely yours, without copying ANYTHING or saying "Look here for reference, it explains it quite well *insert link*" in your posts. I, as well as other members here, would like to know what you will say if you were to type it out yourself. I want to see what you can type on your own from your own knowledge of the game and Advent Children, not what someone else thinks. When about eighty percent of a post consists of copy and pasted material, there is very little originality to it, and it is not you that is doing the talking, but somebody else.
Of course I don't know you, since outside of this thread, we rarely interact. I've never met you personally, or held any other discussions with you on other topics. In addition, since your posts don't consist of a hundred percent original material from yourself, I can't even begin to imagine what kind of a person you are. The way you type, your mannerisms, and other things are lost on me because of this.
A lot of people have similar nuances when they type, but that is getting off topic. It's great that you can type fast, but I type rather fast myself, and manage to include all the portions of a sentence that are necessary to make it grammatically correct. Granted, it's the internet, so many people have developed a typing style of their own, but it's not your style that I am actually concerned with. It's the lack of "you" that is in your posts. So much material is taken from elsewhere that we don't really see what YOU think, but only what others with similar interests or beliefs think. Text size, font color, and all the little things you like to add in between are not what I care about. It's what you have to say, not some essay.
As for the commercial analogy, I am merely stating a fact without leaning towards any pairing. A commercial is made to gain attention for a product that a company wants to sell. This is called marketing. Square-Enix (at that time Squaresoft) is a company, and they've always wanted money. A commercial, i.e. marketing, is not a reliable source for anything from the game, since the people who made the commercial probably never even played the game. If it told the story, then it would destroy the point of buying the game, since it's an RPG and relies on it's story.
When you see those commercials for a cleaning product like Oxyclean on television, they show you the product, the price, and all the lovely things you can do with it within a thirty second time frame. This does NOT, however, tell you everything you may want or need to know about it. It doesn't go into detail about all the things you can use it on specifically, nor does it say what surfaces to not use it on. You have to buy the product and USE it to know how it really works.
Thus, if you want to know what Final Fantasy VII really says about Cloud and whom he loves, then you have to play the game, not rely on a form of marketing. So long as it made the game look good and didn't offend anybody, Square would approve of it. They used a considerable amount of FMV sequences from the game itself since one of it's main grabs was it's graphical prowess (compared to other games of it's time). Aerith's death scene just happened to be one of the many.
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Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 6:36 am
i think it was aeris mostly but after watching advent children i have no idea
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Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 8:10 am
It was most definatly Aeris.Especially considering she has that whole I loved you then I died thing going for her.
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Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 8:38 am
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Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 3:47 pm
Not necessarily! It's obvious that Yuffie isn't part of the love triangle, and that it's pretty fan-based, *little to no proof* but I think they make a good pair. :O
I mean, I don't think their personalities clash all that much. I think, that both of their personalities put together could maybe, balance super happy, and super angsty, or monotone.
It's obvious Cloud sees Yuffie as a friend, and not as 'just annoying'. He might of found her annoying when they first met :/ I mean, after the stuff she pulled. Stealing the materia and all that junk.
Later on, he shows he really cares for her as a friend...
Perhaps even more, to some. :3
My point here is, that if you say it "CAN'T be Yuffie", then please, enlighten us and tell us why you feel the way that you do.
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Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 4:40 pm
LunarSong Not necessarily! It's obvious that Yuffie isn't part of the love triangle, and that it's pretty fan-based, *little to no proof* but I think they make a good pair. :O
I mean, I don't think their personalities clash all that much. I think, that both of their personalities put together could maybe, balance super happy, and super angsty, or monotone.
It's obvious Cloud sees Yuffie as a friend, and not as 'just annoying'. He might of found her annoying when they first met :/ I mean, after the stuff she pulled. Stealing the materia and all that junk.
Later on, he shows he really cares for her as a friend...
Perhaps even more, to some. :3
My point here is, that if you say it "CAN'T be Yuffie", then please, enlighten us and tell us why you feel the way that you do. God thank you!!! I was getting so sick of people always saying "It can't be Yuffie." I think her and Cloud are a lot more plausible then her and Vincent (who everyone seems to par her with) Not to mention that she was the only girl that had the guts to give Cloud a kiss on their date. 
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Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 5:20 am
RanmaxHikaru LunarSong Not necessarily! It's obvious that Yuffie isn't part of the love triangle, and that it's pretty fan-based, *little to no proof* but I think they make a good pair. :O
I mean, I don't think their personalities clash all that much. I think, that both of their personalities put together could maybe, balance super happy, and super angsty, or monotone.
It's obvious Cloud sees Yuffie as a friend, and not as 'just annoying'. He might of found her annoying when they first met :/ I mean, after the stuff she pulled. Stealing the materia and all that junk.
Later on, he shows he really cares for her as a friend...
Perhaps even more, to some. :3
My point here is, that if you say it "CAN'T be Yuffie", then please, enlighten us and tell us why you feel the way that you do. God thank you!!! I was getting so sick of people always saying "It can't be Yuffie." I think her and Cloud are a lot more plausible then her and Vincent (who everyone seems to par her with) Not to mention that she was the only girl that had the guts to give Cloud a kiss on their date.
and Cloud I dont think would take her seriously
also I think yuffie would get annoyed of his attitude really fast
it would be like siblings, no?
I mean it COULD be yuffie
but I highly doubt that
and I think that Vincent and Yuffie are better
because they actually interact with each
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Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 6:01 am
RanmaxHikaru .[.pink.spider.]. "Many CloudxTifa supporters have been saying that Aerith would tell Cloud to move on and be happy if she could. However, if Aerith actually wanted Cloud to move on, she probably wouldn't appear to him in dreams at all. If Aerith wanted Cloud to move on, it's more likely that she'd just leave him alone and hope that Cloud would forget about her in time, since seeing her again would only bring back memories. (Credits to Clorith at AdventChildren.net) The hand reach scene also showed Aerith reaching out to Cloud, which showed her desire to be with him again. Cloud reaching back to her and talking about meeting her in the Promised Land implied the same desire... and Cloud still dreams of meeting her.
Moving on may be the healthy thing to do or the normal thing to do, yet not everyone does it. Not everyone reacts in predictable ways. Individuals react differently to different situations. Just because you would move on doesn't mean that Cloud would necessarily do it. Romeo chose to commit suicide in order to be reunited with Juliet in paradise. Would you make the same choice? Do fictional characters always do what's expected?" First of all Pink for being such an Aeris supporter I wouldn't think you to post such trash. This makes Aeris sound like a totally selfish b***h who wants Cloud to love her even thought he could never be happy because she's dead. Second just incase you forgot Aeris did leave Cloud alone for almost two years until he let his guilt trip got the better of him. In fact the first time she even talked to him again was when he went to the city of the Ancients in AC. Third Aeris was put in at the end to signify that all of Avalanche was there to help him fight. She also gave him powers from the life stream so that he could survive the huge ball of energy. This in no way was a romantic seen. Fourth this statement is pretty much saying that Aeris wants Cloud to be in love with her and there for doesn’t want Cloud to move on with Tifa. That’s just stupid. Of cores Aeris wants Cloud to move on with his life she even says. “You ok now Right?” and then proceeds to walk out with Zack by her side. I think SE is trying to make a hint on what couples they want together. Fifth, Cleris seem to make a big deal about Cloud living in Aeris’s Church well, here is something that you Cleris seem to forget. Cloud only started living in her church recently. For most of the two years he had been living with Tifa very happily and ever raising children with her. He was creating his new life with her like he said he would. He only started feeling guilty about Aeris and Zack when Cloud got that package came from Aeris’s foster mother. Sixth, Cloud was dying from Geostigma. he ran away because he didn’t want Tifa and the kids to know that he was dying. He didn’t want them to be sad for him. And for the seventh and final reason, if he really didn’t want to be with Tifa then why did he keep his cell phone with him for her to call him? And why would he listen to all of her messages including the one’s that were not about his deliveries? Not to mention that if he really wanted to be close to Aeris and far away from Tifa then why go to Aeris’s old church which is right next to New Midgar (Where Tifa and the Kids are)? Why not go and live in the City of the Ancients where he could be closest to Aeris? It’s because even thought he didn’t want Tifa and the kids to know that he was dying of Geostigma he still wanted to keep in contacted with them somehow. Now about this commercial, you keep talking about ever notes the word love is by Aeris not Cloud. Meaning it was “Aeris’s love for Cloud that cloud never be.”
first, Aerith doesnt want Cloud to move on with Tifa
not once does she say anything along those lines
She more of wants Cloud to not feel guilty because of her sake
she wants him to be free and live his life
that does not imply moving on and living with Tifa
because wouldn't she have mentioned Tifa?
no she was more of concentrating on helping Cloud
regain his confidence
also from 'on the way to a smile'
its not Cloud and Tifa living together happily raising two kids
you forgot to mention Barret's there too
and you cannot imply that they are happy
I see it as more of content, life was good when they were all together
then once Barret leaves things slowly fall apart
maybe because barret was the one keeping the family together
[so you know I'm not saying this is all true its just my interpretation]
then Cloud starts to leave without any note
and Tifa is worried and wondering what really is wrong with him
and why 'the family' is falling apart
this just proves she doesnt know enough about Cloud
and because of that she doesnt know whats best for him and how to deal with his pain and problems
and I dont think she realizes it but when you take away one member
it doesnt work out
because in their 'family' barret most fit the role of father
ok I dont get why people say just because they walked out the door at the same time they are going to spend eternity together
that doesnt work
they walk out the same door because they are both dead
if it was Hojo and Aerith walking out the same door...would you say that they are inlove? I dont think so
and Aerith doesnt love Zack and Zack doesnt love Aerith
so why would she give hima chance now, when she knows he doesnt love her?
shes not stupid and she's not insecure
so she doesnt have to be with someone, or atleast inthe physical sense
actually there is one big thing I noticed while watching advent children
and I dont think you payed enough attention
who is the only one who is closest to Cloud?
ok let me explain
no one ever really 'touches' Cloud in advent children
ok I know that everyone 'took' Clouds hand to help him fight
but thats not what I mean
lets start from the beginning
basically throughout advent children alot of scenes zoomed in
I guess trying to show you something
-when Cloud and Tifa are laying in the flowers of the church uncon.
alot of Clotis say 'omg so romantic they are laying next to each other!!'
well thats not very romantic to me
you see how it first zooms in on their faces and then it zooms out to their bodies then the flowers and such
what do you think they really were zooming in on?
if you see...Tifa and Cloud are oh soo close
but are they actually in contact?
no
thats the point, that just shows that they are so close but
they just arent there, they arent in love
it really applies to this quote: 'more then friends less then lovers'
and think thats how their relationship is going to stay
now say even though they were unconscience
and one of them grab the others hand or something
that would show that their bond is strong
but does that happen?
no
what else...oh the hand reach scene and Cloud with Aerith in the flowers
first the flowers ^^
you see how Cloud and Aerith are now in the same situation as Cloud and Tifa
we see the major difference
they are both close and they stay like that for awhile
until she grabs his arm
it zooms in on her hand alone...
what does that mean then?
it means the only one that can really 'touch' Cloud is Aerith
the closest person to him is her
even though tifa and aerith were in an alike situation
Aerith was the only one who could 'touch him
next the hand reach scene
lets skip to tifa
when Cloud is with Tifa she stands there for a moment
and then he keeps going higher
and into the blue thingy
now as he goes further, and closer to bahamut sin
he sees Aerith
now this is most important
it zooms in on him reaching for her hand
much like in the ending of FFVII
since Tifa was also holding hands with Cloud
why not emphasize that since as you say they are the couple?
ok well I think I wrote enough for thatStrawberrieIceCream Pink, what I would be very interested in is YOUR take on it, without having to copy and paste something from another website. All you've really been doing is saying, "Cloud loves Aerith, here's why... *link* *link* *copy paste* *commentary* *link*." You continue to assume that this will explain everything, or provide more support for your opinion, but it doesn't. I would like to see what you, yourself, could type out on your own, without having to use someone else's work to prove a point. It may be nice to find others who agree with you and who can provide some evidence to support what you believe, but that isn't you typing. Agreed. Not to mention that most of your links are from fan sites and not SE material. If your trying to prove that CloudxAeris are cannon posting stuff from Cleris fan sites are not helping you win the argument. StrawberrieIceCream And to comment on some things... Relying on a commercial, which was made solely to garner attention for the game so that it would have good sales, is not that good. It'd be like taking PS Magazine's word for everything, and they're the magazine that continues to refer to Vincent as a vampire. Commercials get the consumer interested in the product, but do not tell the whole story, if any of it. They didn't make an infomercial on the game, just a commercial. 'Tis only marketing, not storytelling.
It'd be like relying on a brief fifteen-thirty second commercial on a cleaning product to tell you how perfect it is and believing it when, in reality, it may actually work quite differently on that pet stain near the couch in your living room. The commercial will tell you what you want to hear, not what the product always is.
Commercial = "I, Squaresoft, want your money, so please buy my nice, shiny new game. You know you want it." Also agreed. And pink take this into account. They already made an anime "Last Order" which is a Cloud and Tifa centered anime, and then in "DC" they show Cloud and Tifa fighting together and talking to each other not to mention still living togeather, and now there coming out with Crises Core centered around Zack and Aeris. Not to mention that SE has already stated that Tifa is like the girlfriend which is more then they ever said for Aeris. I think SE is going to great lengths to show who they want to be a couple. and um rammy take this into account
last order was before FFVII
when Cloud obviously had a crush on tifa and before he ever met Aerith
of course it centers around them
and about DoC just because they talk and live together[with barret]
that means that they are a couple
if Cloud talked to Shelke does that mean they are going to be a couple?
no I think not
but Cloud and Aerith were shown
not just as some characters or for battling but in simliar roles
Cloud's grief over Aerith's death was also shown in FF Tactics
when Cloud repeated almost exactly the same words that he said during Aerith's death scene in FFVII
Cloud and Aerith's names were paired on a computer in Parasite's Eve
and Kitase mentioned wanting to do a side story about Cloud and Aerith in a subsequent game
not Cloud and Tifa
lastly they appear itadaki street
I mean so does tifa and sephiroth along with a whole lot of other ff characters
but if you watch the opening for the special on youtube
you'll see that even though tifa is there Cloud is with Aerith
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Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 9:44 am
i think is a player lol xd
but seriously i think it was aeris
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Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 10:55 am
I think at one time he did like TIfa, but after meeting Aerith, be discovered that it was more of a brotherly/sisterly love between himself and Tifa, and that he was TRUELY in love with Aerith...
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Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 7:25 pm
Quote: ok I dont get why people say just because they walked out the door at the same time they are going to spend eternity together that doesnt work they walk out the same door because they are both dead if it was Hojo and Aerith walking out the same door...would you say that they are inlove? I dont think so and Aerith doesnt love Zack and Zack doesnt love Aerith so why would she give hima chance now, when she knows he doesnt love her? shes not stupid and she's not insecure so she doesnt have to be with someone, or atleast inthe physical sense actually there is one big thing I noticed while watching advent children and I dont think you payed enough attention who is the only one who is closest to Cloud? ok let me explain no one ever really 'touches' Cloud in advent children ok I know that everyone 'took' Clouds hand to help him fight but thats not what I mean lets start from the beginning basically throughout advent children alot of scenes zoomed in I guess trying to show you something -when Cloud and Tifa are laying in the flowers of the church uncon. alot of Clotis say 'omg so romantic they are laying next to each other!!' well thats not very romantic to me you see how it first zooms in on their faces and then it zooms out to their bodies then the flowers and such what do you think they really were zooming in on? if you see...Tifa and Cloud are oh soo close but are they actually in contact? no thats the point, that just shows that they are so close but they just arent there, they arent in love it really applies to this quote: 'more then friends less then lovers' and think thats how their relationship is going to stay now say even though they were unconscience and one of them grab the others hand or something that would show that their bond is strong but does that happen? no what else...oh the hand reach scene and Cloud with Aerith in the flowers first the flowers ^^ you see how Cloud and Aerith are now in the same situation as Cloud and Tifa we see the major difference they are both close and they stay like that for awhile until she grabs his arm it zooms in on her hand alone... what does that mean then? it means the only one that can really 'touch' Cloud is Aerith the closest person to him is her even though tifa and aerith were in an alike situation Aerith was the only one who could 'touch him next the hand reach scene lets skip to tifa when Cloud is with Tifa she stands there for a moment and then he keeps going higher and into the blue thingy now as he goes further, and closer to bahamut sin he sees Aerith now this is most important it zooms in on him reaching for her hand much like in the ending of FFVII since Tifa was also holding hands with Cloud why not emphasize that since as you say they are the couple? ok well I think I wrote enough for that
So, when Cloud came into the church after Tifa battled Loz, him calling her name and holding onto her didn't mean anything? That didn't count as them touching? :/ Cloud and Tifa also 'touch' a lot in FFVII. I think him reaching for Aeris hand was SUPPOSED to symbolize what happened at the end of FFVII. It was suppose to trigger that moment in your mind again. He's 'touched' both of the girls a fair amount of times.
The sunset with Tifa? The sitting at the well with Tifa? The Tifa clutching him in the end of FFVII? That means nothing to you? :/
Didn't it zoom in when Tifa grabbed his hand too? I think the 'zooming in on hands' doesn't mean anything >_>; Necessarily.
It zoomed in on Aeris and Zack at the 'walking out the door' scene, my,my, have you contradicted yourself?
;D
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Posted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 3:11 am
LunarSong Quote: ok I dont get why people say just because they walked out the door at the same time they are going to spend eternity together that doesnt work they walk out the same door because they are both dead if it was Hojo and Aerith walking out the same door...would you say that they are inlove? I dont think so and Aerith doesnt love Zack and Zack doesnt love Aerith so why would she give hima chance now, when she knows he doesnt love her? shes not stupid and she's not insecure so she doesnt have to be with someone, or atleast inthe physical sense actually there is one big thing I noticed while watching advent children and I dont think you payed enough attention who is the only one who is closest to Cloud? ok let me explain no one ever really 'touches' Cloud in advent children ok I know that everyone 'took' Clouds hand to help him fight but thats not what I mean lets start from the beginning basically throughout advent children alot of scenes zoomed in I guess trying to show you something -when Cloud and Tifa are laying in the flowers of the church uncon. alot of Clotis say 'omg so romantic they are laying next to each other!!' well thats not very romantic to me you see how it first zooms in on their faces and then it zooms out to their bodies then the flowers and such what do you think they really were zooming in on? if you see...Tifa and Cloud are oh soo close but are they actually in contact? no thats the point, that just shows that they are so close but they just arent there, they arent in love it really applies to this quote: 'more then friends less then lovers' and think thats how their relationship is going to stay now say even though they were unconscience and one of them grab the others hand or something that would show that their bond is strong but does that happen? no what else...oh the hand reach scene and Cloud with Aerith in the flowers first the flowers ^^ you see how Cloud and Aerith are now in the same situation as Cloud and Tifa we see the major difference they are both close and they stay like that for awhile until she grabs his arm it zooms in on her hand alone... what does that mean then? it means the only one that can really 'touch' Cloud is Aerith the closest person to him is her even though tifa and aerith were in an alike situation Aerith was the only one who could 'touch him next the hand reach scene lets skip to tifa when Cloud is with Tifa she stands there for a moment and then he keeps going higher and into the blue thingy now as he goes further, and closer to bahamut sin he sees Aerith now this is most important it zooms in on him reaching for her hand much like in the ending of FFVII since Tifa was also holding hands with Cloud why not emphasize that since as you say they are the couple? ok well I think I wrote enough for that
So, when Cloud came into the church after Tifa battled Loz, him calling her name and holding onto her didn't mean anything? That didn't count as them touching? :/ Cloud and Tifa also 'touch' a lot in FFVII. I think him reaching for Aeris hand was SUPPOSED to symbolize what happened at the end of FFVII. It was suppose to trigger that moment in your mind again. He's 'touched' both of the girls a fair amount of times.
The sunset with Tifa? The sitting at the well with Tifa? The Tifa clutching him in the end of FFVII? That means nothing to you? :/
Didn't it zoom in when Tifa grabbed his hand too? I think the 'zooming in on hands' doesn't mean anything >_>; Necessarily.
It zoomed in on Aeris and Zack at the 'walking out the door' scene, my,my, have you contradicted yourself?
;D
first of all Aerith does state that she doesnt want to be with Zack
so I doubt she'll just randomly be with him
and the reason that its only Zack and Aerith is because those are two people Cloud felt most guilty towards
so at the end when he's 'forgiven' those he blamed himself for
smile and show him that they arent alone
death doesnt seperate people
you seem to exaggerate that scene
Cloud is just going to his current home
when he's Tifa lying there
he was surprised and scared that yet another person close to him was in danger
he goes up to hold her
there is no emphasis no anything besides her face to see i she'll wake up
if there was a stronger bond between them
I'm sure Cloud would've grabbed her hand
and it would've zoomed in on that
but it didnt do that now did it?
Cloud is letting her rest in his lap
I think that is the same way he would hold anyone else
thats hurt
but did Cloud do anything special when she was in this state?
no not really? he does care for her
and he was hoping for her safety
but there was nothing romantic in that scene?
does he comfort tifa at all? like for for someone?
Did he bow his head down? Like for someone?
did he hold tifa in his arms? like for someone?
no not really : D
Tifa Clutching him doesnt show that have a bond
it shows that Tifa needs a 'hero'
it didnt zoom into her hands now did it? it more just showed her standing there waiting for Cloud to keep going
for the kazillinoth time erith doesnt love Zack?
why would you want to be with someone you dont love?
thats just shallow but
Zack and Aerith are still dear friends
and are both concerned for Cloud
who they both care for very much
I think that Zack was there for Cloud not for Aerith
Zack was there to let Cloud know that he was okay
and to make sure that Cloud was okay
as he always did when he was alive
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Posted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 10:13 am
.[.pink.spider.]. LunarSong Quote: ok I dont get why people say just because they walked out the door at the same time they are going to spend eternity together that doesnt work they walk out the same door because they are both dead if it was Hojo and Aerith walking out the same door...would you say that they are inlove? I dont think so and Aerith doesnt love Zack and Zack doesnt love Aerith so why would she give hima chance now, when she knows he doesnt love her? shes not stupid and she's not insecure so she doesnt have to be with someone, or atleast inthe physical sense actually there is one big thing I noticed while watching advent children and I dont think you payed enough attention who is the only one who is closest to Cloud? ok let me explain no one ever really 'touches' Cloud in advent children ok I know that everyone 'took' Clouds hand to help him fight but thats not what I mean lets start from the beginning basically throughout advent children alot of scenes zoomed in I guess trying to show you something -when Cloud and Tifa are laying in the flowers of the church uncon. alot of Clotis say 'omg so romantic they are laying next to each other!!' well thats not very romantic to me you see how it first zooms in on their faces and then it zooms out to their bodies then the flowers and such what do you think they really were zooming in on? if you see...Tifa and Cloud are oh soo close but are they actually in contact? no thats the point, that just shows that they are so close but they just arent there, they arent in love it really applies to this quote: 'more then friends less then lovers' and think thats how their relationship is going to stay now say even though they were unconscience and one of them grab the others hand or something that would show that their bond is strong but does that happen? no what else...oh the hand reach scene and Cloud with Aerith in the flowers first the flowers ^^ you see how Cloud and Aerith are now in the same situation as Cloud and Tifa we see the major difference they are both close and they stay like that for awhile until she grabs his arm it zooms in on her hand alone... what does that mean then? it means the only one that can really 'touch' Cloud is Aerith the closest person to him is her even though tifa and aerith were in an alike situation Aerith was the only one who could 'touch him next the hand reach scene lets skip to tifa when Cloud is with Tifa she stands there for a moment and then he keeps going higher and into the blue thingy now as he goes further, and closer to bahamut sin he sees Aerith now this is most important it zooms in on him reaching for her hand much like in the ending of FFVII since Tifa was also holding hands with Cloud why not emphasize that since as you say they are the couple? ok well I think I wrote enough for that
So, when Cloud came into the church after Tifa battled Loz, him calling her name and holding onto her didn't mean anything? That didn't count as them touching? :/ Cloud and Tifa also 'touch' a lot in FFVII. I think him reaching for Aeris hand was SUPPOSED to symbolize what happened at the end of FFVII. It was suppose to trigger that moment in your mind again. He's 'touched' both of the girls a fair amount of times.
The sunset with Tifa? The sitting at the well with Tifa? The Tifa clutching him in the end of FFVII? That means nothing to you? :/
Didn't it zoom in when Tifa grabbed his hand too? I think the 'zooming in on hands' doesn't mean anything >_>; Necessarily.
It zoomed in on Aeris and Zack at the 'walking out the door' scene, my,my, have you contradicted yourself?
;D
first of all Aerith does state that she doesnt want to be with Zack
so I doubt she'll just randomly be with him
and the reason that its only Zack and Aerith is because those are two people Cloud felt most guilty towards
so at the end when he's 'forgiven' those he blamed himself for
smile and show him that they arent alone
death doesnt seperate people
you seem to exaggerate that scene
Cloud is just going to his current home
when he's Tifa lying there
he was surprised and scared that yet another person close to him was in danger
he goes up to hold her
there is no emphasis no anything besides her face to see i she'll wake up
if there was a stronger bond between them
I'm sure Cloud would've grabbed her hand
and it would've zoomed in on that
but it didnt do that now did it?
Cloud is letting her rest in his lap
I think that is the same way he would hold anyone else
thats hurt
but did Cloud do anything special when she was in this state?
no not really? he does care for her
and he was hoping for her safety
but there was nothing romantic in that scene?
does he comfort tifa at all? like for for someone?
Did he bow his head down? Like for someone?
did he hold tifa in his arms? like for someone?
no not really : D
Tifa Clutching him doesnt show that have a bond
it shows that Tifa needs a 'hero'
it didnt zoom into her hands now did it? it more just showed her standing there waiting for Cloud to keep going
for the kazillinoth time erith doesnt love Zack?
why would you want to be with someone you dont love?
thats just shallow but
Zack and Aerith are still dear friends
and are both concerned for Cloud
who they both care for very much
I think that Zack was there for Cloud not for Aerith
Zack was there to let Cloud know that he was okay
and to make sure that Cloud was okay
as he always did when he was aliveAlright, WHERE does she say in the game that she doesnt love Zack? Sure she makes a slight claim while sitting with Cloud that its behind her, but this couldve just been a natural reaction to claim youre single, since they had just met and Aeris immediately seemed to take fancy in Cloud. Dont try and say that it was in the novels, since those were fan-written material that was packaged and sold under the Squenix logo. And how can you say shes exageratting a scene when youre doing the same damn thing? She has pointed out MULIPLE occurances through the game and the movie while you seem to cling to a few minor instances within the movie alone. Listen to yourself next time.
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Posted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 11:12 am
.[.pink.spider.]. RanmaxHikaru LunarSong Not necessarily! It's obvious that Yuffie isn't part of the love triangle, and that it's pretty fan-based, *little to no proof* but I think they make a good pair. :O
I mean, I don't think their personalities clash all that much. I think, that both of their personalities put together could maybe, balance super happy, and super angsty, or monotone.
It's obvious Cloud sees Yuffie as a friend, and not as 'just annoying'. He might of found her annoying when they first met :/ I mean, after the stuff she pulled. Stealing the materia and all that junk.
Later on, he shows he really cares for her as a friend...
Perhaps even more, to some. :3
My point here is, that if you say it "CAN'T be Yuffie", then please, enlighten us and tell us why you feel the way that you do. God thank you!!! I was getting so sick of people always saying "It can't be Yuffie." I think her and Cloud are a lot more plausible then her and Vincent (who everyone seems to par her with) Not to mention that she was the only girl that had the guts to give Cloud a kiss on their date.
and Cloud I dont think would take her seriously
also I think yuffie would get annoyed of his attitude really fast
it would be like siblings, no?
I mean it COULD be yuffie
but I highly doubt that
and I think that Vincent and Yuffie are better
because they actually interact with each Since I there are already people arguing the huge Cleris statement you made earlier I have decided that I will argue this point instead. .[.pink.spider.]. but I think that’s the problem its because she's too upfront I guess
and Cloud I don’t think would take her seriously. Too upfront! You have got to be kidding. When Aeris first met Cloud she was prying into his personal business like there was no tomorrow and if Cloud didn't have a problem with that I'm sure he doesn’t mind Yuffie either. Maybe Cloud doesn’t take her seriously at first but I'm sure that he dose later on or else you wouldn't be able to take her on the date. Also the number of affection points at the beginning has nothing to do with who Cloud likes more. Aeris has the most because she asked Cloud on the date in the first place. Tifa has the second most because she interacts with Cloud the most. And Yuffie is third because one she is originally a secret character, and two you don't get her until later on in the game so she has less time to gain affection points. The point is that Yuffie is a dateable girl just like Aeris and Tifa and has every right to be included in the triangle. .[.pink.spider.]. it would be like siblings, no? Ewww No! .[.pink.spider.]. also I think yuffie would get annoyed of his attitude really fast
and I think that Vincent and Yuffie are better
because they actually interact with each Ok first of all if you consider the whole compilation, Yuffie has had more interaction with Cloud then Vincent. She talks to Cloud in the game and in AC. She only started talking to Vincent in DC which is only one game and even then Vincent wasn't really interested in her much. Second If she can hang around depressive and gloomy Vincent without getting annoyed then I'm sure Cloud's attitude wont bother her in the least.
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Posted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 2:21 pm
soadshuyin Alright, WHERE does she say in the game that she doesnt love Zack? Sure she makes a slight claim while sitting with Cloud that its behind her, but this couldve just been a natural reaction to claim youre single, since they had just met and Aeris immediately seemed to take fancy in Cloud. Dont try and say that it was in the novels, since those were fan-written material that was packaged and sold under the Squenix logo. And how can you say shes exageratting a scene when youre doing the same damn thing? She has pointed out MULIPLE occurances through the game and the movie while you seem to cling to a few minor instances within the movie alone. Listen to yourself next time.
I dont think that Aerith is the type of person to hide her true feelings
and lie just because she is around Cloud, or another guy for a matter
thats not like her >>
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Zack is first mentioned while Aerith and Cloud are sitting on top of the cat slide in Sector 6
talking to one another
Zack wasnt mentioned by name
Here is the conversation.
Aerith "What rank were you?"
Cloud "Rank?"
Aerith "You know, in SOLDIER."
Cloud "Oh, I was...First Class."
Aerith "Just the same as him."
Cloud "The same as who?"
Aerith "My first boyfriend."
Cloud "You were... serious?"
Aerith "No. But I liked him for a while."
Cloud "I probably knew him. What was his name?"
Aerith "It doesn't really matter."
This little conversation tells a lot about her present feelings for Zack at the time
When Aerith first asks what rank Cloud is
it shows how she has already noticed some similarity between the two
which can be seen from her response to his answer
Aerith "Just the same as him."
It shows how she is making a comparison between the two
and remembering certain things about Zack through Cloud
Cloud then goes on to ask who she is speaking of
Aerith "My first boyfriend."
This is the first time we find out that Aerith and Zack were a couple
at some time before the game actually begins
However are not given much information about it
such as how long it lasted
Since she seems to speak so openly about it
her personality and mood during this period shows that the whole discussion is more or less everyday conversation.
Aerith is a very emotional character
so if this relationship was so serious why wouldn’t she show more emotion rather than just sitting on the slide
and talking like it was just one of many memories
Aerith "No. But I liked him for a while."
Cloud openly asks if she and Zack were seriously involved
and she flat out says no
Kind of a personal question
but her answer doesn’t make it seem so
She even shakes her head quickly
to emphasis this
Actions and words both speak loud in this case
Cloud then continues seeing she isn’t deeply hurt in discussing the topic.
Cloud "I probably knew him. What was his name?"
This part I find most interesting
If Aerith was so obsessed with Zack
wouldn’t she go crazy at hearing this?
Cloud says that he may have known Zack
Now at this point in the game, we don’t know what's gonna happen
All we really know
along with Aerith
is that Cloud could very well know this mysterious SOLDIER
Therefore, if Cloud may have known Zack
then he also might be able to tell what happened to him
what they had done together in SOLDIER
and above all else to Aerith WHERE ZACK MIGHT BE!!!
Yes we later find out Zack died
but Aerith does not know this yet
So shouldn’t Aerith be jumping for joy with this new hope of finding her love again?
But, what’s this? What does she say?
Aerith "It doesn't really matter."
Funny, how Aerith could have told Cloud Zack’s name
and perhaps with his help found Zack so she could be with him
Remember again that Aerith doesn’t know that Zack is dead
Wouldn’t she even want to try if she still cared about him?
Doesn’t seem like it, no?
So does this mean that Zack didn’t mean as much to Aerith in a romantic way as we thought he did?
The next scene in which Aerith openly talks about Zack with Cloud
If you go to their house in Gongaga
Zack’s parents talk about Zack and ask Aerith if she was the girlfriend Zack talked about in one of his letters
She says that she is not then leaves the house
Cloud has the option to go and speak with her. Here is a part of their conversation:
(They speak about Zack and how he was Aerith’s boyfriend and all)
Cloud "Strange, there aren't that many who make First Class, but I've never heard of him."
Aerith "That's all right. It's all in the past now. I was just worried because I heard he's been missing."
It’s all in the past now
Doesn’t that confirm what I’ve said before?
Right there in that statement Aerith says that she has moved on from whatever relationship she and Zack had
The dialogue continues:
Cloud "Missing?"
Aerith "I think it was 5 years ago. He went out on a job, and never came back."
Aerith "He loved women, a real lady's man. He probably found someone else...”
Aerith "Hey? What's wrong?"
if Aerith was indeed very depressed over the whole Zack thing
wouldn’t she have been quiet afterward or shown some sort of emotion? Instead she asks Cloud what’s wrong
indicating that nothing is upsetting about this conversation
It’s rather funny how she bounces back so quickly after being very depressed over Zack
Anyway, the conversation continues:
Aerith "I don't really mind that I haven't heard from him. But I feel for his parents."
If she was in love with Zack, wouldn’t she mind?
This confirms what I have said before
Good ol`Aerith is always feeling for others
She feels bad that his parents have been suffering over their son being missing
But she doesn’t feel bad that she is not able to be with him
because he is missing
Aerith is worried about his well being
but this would indicate more of a friendship type relationship (if even that) that she most likely now holds toward Zack
The big question concerning all that’s been said is probably why doesn’t Aerith find or think that it matters
as she has said a couple of times now
The answer is simple
She doesn’t find it important to dwell in the past
I remember once reading an interview with Hironobou Sakaguchi
in which he said Aerith is basically the symbolism of life
and living for the future
This is pretty apparent, what does Aerith always talk about?
The future
She says that one day she will get out of Midgar
listen to the planet
and go find her Promised Land
Aerith tells about how much she would like to take a ride on the Highwind In the Temple of the Ancients
she says that later the group will look back at all these hard times and laugh
Lastly, she says she would come back when it was all over.
In the game
whose main theme is LIFE
the personification of it is displayed through Aerith
It’s the way the developers personally start to involve the player with the theme
Many complain about Aerith’s personality being too happy and lively
but her personality was designed this way because of the life
and hope for the future she displays
Zack represents the past and death.
Aerith character which always looks toward the future would be breaking her symbolism by dwelling in the past and clinging to Zack
it is logical to believe that Aerith was initially attracted to Cloud
because his gestures and SOLDIER background reminded her of Zack
This does not mean she was obsessed with Zack
That happens to be far from the truth
as I have already shown
It was something that simply caught her attention
and most likely reminded her of Zack initially, which led to wonder and curiosit
It resulted in her wanting to know more about Cloud
An example can be taken from what Marlene tells Cloud in Aerith’s house after Aerith is kidnapped
Marlene "Guess what? Guess what? Aerith was asking me lots of questions. Like what kind of person Cloud is. I bet she likes you, Cloud!"
Aerith wants to know what kind of character he (Cloud not Zack) has
It’s apparent she has an interest in Cloud
at this point and wants to know more about him
Why else would she be asking Marlene about him?
If she thought he was Zack or whatever that is
wouldn’t she already know Zack good enough
and therefore have no need to ask what kind of person he is?
So how do we know for sure that Aerith sees Cloud
and not Zack?
The answer is clearly stated in this last scene in the gondala on the date with Cloud and Aerith
Aerith ".........first off, it bothered me how you looked exactly alike. Two completely different people, but look exactly the same. The way you walk, gesture...I think I must have seen him again, in you..."
Aerith "But you're different."
Aerith "Things are different..."
Aerith "Cloud...I'm searching for you..."
Cloud "............?"
Aerith "I want to meet you."
Cloud "But I'm right here."
Aerith (I know, I know... what I mean is...) "I want to meet..... you."
Just like she said, she wanted to meet him... Cloud
ok done with that @_@
excuse me dont be so rude I have pointed out plenty of instances unless you want me to repeat myself!
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