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Pink, I believe you totally missed Shuyin's point. Basically, you are implying that just because someone lives in Japan or is very familiar with their culture that they automatically should have their word taken as fact, when in fact, it is just their OPINION on the matter.

I will say this again as I have many times before, opinion does not equal fact.

Just because you have the opinion of two individuals who are closely related to Japan in some manner does not constitute their statements as fact. In addition, these are only two people out of the MILLIONS of people in Japan who've played the game. The opinion of two individuals does not represent the whole group equally. To assume that just because two folks over seas support your opinion, that most of Japan must think the same way, is only wishful thinking. In fact, it is absolutely absurd, especially since you hold the opinion of someone who's played the game in Japan over someone who's played the game in the U.S. We do not know the credibility of these two people on how much attention they actually paid to the game's story, nor are we certain that the rest of Japan shares the same feelings.

Despite some errors and oddities that occured during the translation process (whether it be Aerith=>Aeris or the use of the word 'clones'), the story is still rather accurate. Some nuances such as speech patterns were lost due to the difference in languages, but the characters are still the same.

Thus, we are essentially playing the same game here, and no version is necessarily better than the other.

Also, your continuing assumption that they all think the same is absurd. Again, there were millions of copies of the game sold in Japan. Millions of different lives, with different views and perspectives. You only got two of them. I've been to plenty of Japanese websites, where I've seen a group of people who adore Aerith, and a second one who absolutely detested her. I've seen groups that support CloudxAerith, and practically an equal amount of them supporting CloudxTifa. In fact, there's actually a very large amount of fans that still support a ZackxAerith pairing, and nobody ever talks about those two nearly as much as Cloud.

It is unfair and silly of you to assume that all of Japan supports CloudxAerith based on the opinions of two people. It is even more absurd that you hold their opinion over the opinion of other gamers who've played the game, just in a different country.

And the symbolism thing? There is symbolism between Cloud and Tifa to support a pairing, but your apparent disregard for her character (you've already mentioned that you don't like her, but respect her) means that you won't really try to look into her character, or any symbolism between Cloud and Tifa.

I do believe that Cloud loved Tifa romantically, but I also believe he held similar feelings for Aerith as well. Cloud does not continuously dwell on Aerith, nor does he have to only ove her. Cloud will likely move on, because although Aerith may love him back, she would likely be very happy if he did move on, since it would help him LIVE, something he hasn't really been able to do since he left Nibelheim.

Then again, there's no real hardcore evidence that he gets with anybody, so meh. It's not absolutely necessary for Cloud to fall in love with Tifa or another person, since he can still live a normal and happy life, but to assume that he'll never move on is silly.

One would think so, but let me tell you something. Married couples and lovers everywhere make assumptions about the person they are with all the time and are wrong.
"She's going to be so mad at me"
But when 'he' confronts 'her' about the problem, 'she' says:
"Oh! That's a great idea!"
I could easily say, if 'he' knew 'her', then wouldn't 'he' know that 'she' wasn't going to be angry? Lovers, couples, crushes don't always know EVERYTHING about their mate. Being constantly suprised by the others behavior and learning more about that particular person, is what makes a realationship.



Here you say, "this is what it looks like" meaning, you don't know that for sure. You don't know what's REALLY important to Tifa, only the creator does. Though this... 'passage' you had may SUGGEST she cares about her family, there are many OTHER passages that suggest she feels for Cloud romantically as well.




Again, that's another maybe. You're not really basing AerisXCloud on actual facts, now are you? Or, are you stating the 'maybes' for some reason? About calling the Church 'his place', that doesn't necessarily mean he loves Aerith. If someone close to me died, I would miss them greatly... maybe even live where they used to reside if I cared enough. He could of cared enough for a sister, love, or mother. Since, you are so absorbed in 'maybes', then let's consider if MAYBE Tifa had died, that MAYBE Cloud would of lived where she once resided and MAYBE called it "his place" as well.




And what does this prove about Cloud LOVING Aerith? All it proves is that he misses her, and that his regrets are haunting. Have you ever considered that all the stuff he is doing is for his own selfishness? Perhaps he wants to rid of his guilt for good, so he no longer has to feel pain. So he no longer has to feel like he OWES someone something. Of course, that could be entirely untrue, but no-one knows for SURE. It's never stated for sure about how Cloud feels about either of the two women, or what his 'true' feelings really are. Tifa trembling could of meant that she was afraid for Cloud. Like you said, he was revisiting the past that he was just starting to move on from. She could of feared that if Cloud revisted his past, he might become enveloped in complete turmoil, and she, as well as anybody else does not want that happening.




Yes, I noticed that. But, if you'll also notice, it was just he and Aerith on that platform, the others didn't arrive NEXT to Cloud when she was killed. It was, literally, where Cloud and Aeris were seperated. Cloud was the only one ON the platmorm with her when she died.(Besides Sephiroth). The others came to offer comfort Cloud AFTER.




Of course they aren't happy together right now. Someone very vital, important, and cared for just died in ALL of their lives. When someone close to everyone dies, they usually become depressed and agitated... irrate and intolerable. All of them were like that, Cloud obviously more than others. He was the closest to Aerith, which made it understandable that he was so depressed and this and that. It was understanable that he became bitter-- he lost someone important before his very eys, for Gods sakes.
Now, let's consider if Tifa died. I think that Cloud would of been just as bitter. Just as mournful, and especially just as guilty. (Being he PROMISED to protect Tifa). Of course, Tifa is living so that doesn't really matter.



Hmm, think about that. In a sentence. "His problem is Aeris."
He feels that his guilt will never be washed away because he can never retrieve the lives of Aeris (and perhaps Zach) again, is what this is saying. Guilt is the problem that can never be resolved, lost lives are probably Aeris and Zach, as you said. We've ALREADY established that, and this proves nothing still.




How do YOU know for certain that Cloud feels dubious? How do you know that that is why Cloud feels close to Denzel, and how do YOU know that's what Aeris wanted? You don't.
Aeris obviously wants Cloud to move on and be happy, that's a definite fact. And even if watching Denzel is what Aeris wanted, and Cloud was fufilling her wishes, who wouldn't do the same for someone they cared about? Even if you weren't in LOVE with that person, you'd still fufill their wishes if you merely just cared about them.



I find this statement... bizarre for some reason. Sarcasm ahead>>>Yes, he would spend his moments with the one he truly loved while something slowly ate away at his life, when he could obviously try LEAVING to go fix it, along with all of this other problems>_>;.<<< If Cloud wasn't 'deeply in love with Tifa', wouldn't he leave, and never come back? Why would he be willing to listen to what she has to say about things? In fact, why wouldn't he bring Tifa with him and endanger perhaps, her life and risk losing another important person in his life if he didn't care about her?
Hmmmmm.



You do realize, you make Cloud seem utterly selfish? We know that he couldn't of JUST cared about Aeris, when he states to Sephiroth WHO is most important. (His friends, which includes possible lovers like Tifa and Aeris. This statement also means he cares about ALL of his friends more than anything, not just one person.) He agreed to protect Tifa too, in a promise. :/ He's done the 'bodyguard' thing for both girls. Of COURSE it's the place he feels the most connected with Aeris. And no, you don't know for certain that he wants to be there because of the fact that he's dying. You don't know for certain that he ONLY wanted to be with Aeris and not his whole family. If Cloud knew he could DIE at any moment, why would he even be traveling at all? Why wouldn't he make the church his SOUL haven? Why would he constantly leave and revisit, if he knew he could die at any time? If he REALLY wanted to be in the church if he died, he would of stayed there--- perminately. I notice that most of the things you listed aren't facts at all. THAT makes almost everything you said completely opinion based. (That's fine to have your opinion, but that's not PROOVING anything of the AerisXCloud realationship, and I think that's what you were attempting to do, correct?)

LunarSong

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"Why are you looking at me like that?

"Well... I'm sorry I kept quiet about it."

"About what?"

"Doing what I wanted."

Cloud is sorry for not telling Tifa that he was doing what he wanted? Wouldn't Cloud have discussed this with Tifa to start with instead of keeping it from her? When he apologises, she laughs and thinks that he's like a kid. We can gather from Cloud keeping it from her that he didn't expect her to react like that. If he really knew her so well, wouldn't he be able to guess how she'd react more accurately?

One would think so, but let me tell you something. Married couples and lovers everywhere make assumptions about the person they are with all the time and are wrong.
"She's going to be so mad at me"
But when 'he' confronts 'her' about the problem, 'she' says:
"Oh! That's a great idea!"
I could easily say, if 'he' knew 'her', then wouldn't 'he' know that 'she' wasn't going to be angry? Lovers, couples, crushes don't always know EVERYTHING about their mate. Being constantly suprised by the others behavior and learning more about that particular person, is what makes a realationship.

first that whole statement I didnt write I gave the link for the site so you know
but let me tell you something they arent a married couple lovers or a crush
so all you said doesnt apply to them
also Cloud doesnt even know much about Tifa, Barret understands her more

"Cloud doesn't really understand Tifa, even after all they've been through. He comments to her that 'it's not like [her] to be troubled by [her] thoughts'. Barret thinks differently.

"It won't be tough. If Tifa doesn't work she'll end up thinkin' about all sorts of things. She'll end up not being able to do anything."

So who's more correct? It's plain to see in the game and novella that Tifa is troubled by her thoughts constantly. She feels that she's selfish, she feels she has sinned because of the Plate crushing Sector Seven of Midgar as a result of AVALANCHE's actions. So it seems that Barret understands Tifa more than Cloud does. "

so dont try to tell me that its healthy in a relationship to not know much about each other
because blind love is not the best thing
so as you say 'being constantly surprised makes a relationship'
ok lets observe:
husband:hey hunny I have a surprise!
wife surprised h, what is it pumpkin!
husband:I've been cheating on you with this 16 year old and she pregnant! and I have cancer buts thats not all.. I gave her a std! dont you just love surprises! I'm so glad I waited to tell you about all of this now whee
now I dont think that went so well : D

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It looks like family is more important to her than a romantic relationship.

Here you say, "this is what it looks like" meaning, you don't know that for sure. You don't know what's REALLY important to Tifa, only the creator does. Though this... 'passage' you had may SUGGEST she cares about her family, there are many OTHER passages that suggest she feels for Cloud romantically as well.

ok thanks? I didnt say that is fact and that is what the creator said word for word
it is an opinion and I know that I dont know that for sure
its just how it seems

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Maybe Cloud is lost in memories of those he's lost when he does this? It's likely. It may be during this time when Cloud begins to visit Aerith's church again. He calls the church 'his place' later on in the novella, so we can gather that he's visited there quite frequently. (He is on a visit to the church when he finds Denzel.)

Again, that's another maybe. You're not really basing AerisXCloud on actual facts, now are you? Or, are you stating the 'maybes' for some reason? About calling the Church 'his place', that doesn't necessarily mean he loves Aerith. If someone close to me died, I would miss them greatly... maybe even live where they used to reside if I cared enough. He could of cared enough for a sister, love, or mother. Since, you are so absorbed in 'maybes', then let's consider if MAYBE Tifa had died, that MAYBE Cloud would of lived where she once resided and MAYBE called it "his place" as well.

you're putting words in my mouth -____- now arent you
I didnt say this my was actual fact nor did I write this
all I said was this was a good essay a person wrote about their interpretation of on the way to a smile
sheesh
if tifa died...hmm...I dunno
MAYBE this could happen:
I think that if she did die of course Cloud would feel terrible and guilty
but I think thats what it would be, guilt
just like when he was a kid, and he was blamed for when tifa was in a comma
he would alsowant to be alone even from aerith
and you see this is a big difference
I'm sure that Aerith would be like "Cloud. you deserve time to yourself because I know that you and tifa has a close relationship
just dont beat yourself too much about it ok? and if you need me I'll be here"
compare this to Tifa in advent children who instead of trying to ease his pain and letting him go his own way for a bit
she tells him to stop dragging around and be strong
and I think that itself helped them drift apart during ac
because tifa doesnt understand how to deal with Cloud's pain or her own for that matter
Cloud would visit the bar most likely and share his sadness with Barret
but when I think about it who do you think would feel worse? Barret or Cloud?
but than again this doesnt matter because as you said its only a maybe

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On a day when the bar is closed, Tifa finds a delivery slip for a bouquet of flowers that Cloud took to the Forgotten City for Elmyra.
Tifa put the slip away with the others as if nothing happened. But she was trembling severely. Transporting mail around the world meant he was travelling around his past too. She knew that Cloud was in great pain because he couldn't protect Aeris. Cloud was on the verge of overcoming it but now, going back to the place where he and Aeris got seperated meant that his sorrow and regret was going to tear his heart again.

And what does this prove about Cloud LOVING Aerith? All it proves is that he misses her, and that his regrets are haunting. Have you ever considered that all the stuff he is doing is for his own selfishness? Perhaps he wants to rid of his guilt for good, so he no longer has to feel pain. So he no longer has to feel like he OWES someone something. Of course, that could be entirely untrue, but no-one knows for SURE. It's never stated for sure about how Cloud feels about either of the two women, or what his 'true' feelings really are. Tifa trembling could of meant that she was afraid for Cloud. Like you said, he was revisiting the past that he was just starting to move on from. She could of feared that if Cloud revisted his past, he might become enveloped in complete turmoil, and she, as well as anybody else does not want that happening.

ok like you said none of this fact and just what you think
have a neato-moquito day!

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Notice how it isn't 'the place where the team and Aerith got separated', but only where 'he and Aerith got seperated'? This implies that Tifa recognises that though they all lost her, Aerith was someone who was very dear to Cloud in particular. She fears that visiting this place will be painful enough to actually set Cloud back to square one where his grief and sorrow is concerned.

Yes, I noticed that. But, if you'll also notice, it was just he and Aerith on that platform, the others didn't arrive NEXT to Cloud when she was killed. It was, literally, where Cloud and Aeris were seperated. Cloud was the only one ON the platmorm with her when she died.(Besides Sephiroth). The others came to offer comfort Cloud AFTER.

ok so lets see
as you said the others came after Cloud and Aerith were at the alter
then how come when he was putting her in the water
they didnt show the rest of team? in the background or something?
because as you said they were there at this moment
that is why square intended to let it be only them
because it was their moment

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After this, Tifa gets angry with Cloud when he rejects her company while he's drinking.
Hearing that, Tifa lost control and said, "Then drink in your room."
Instead of persevering and being patient with Cloud (considering she knows that he's delivered the bouquet and is most likely hurting), she sends him away. It seems that she doesn't know how best to deal with Cloud's grief, and doesn't know how to help him through it. She know's he's struggling with his sorrow, but she can't comfort him. In fact, she has to 'force herself to talk to him' for Marlene's sake. Doesn't really sound like they're happy together.

Of course they aren't happy together right now. Someone very vital, important, and cared for just died in ALL of their lives. When someone close to everyone dies, they usually become depressed and agitated... irrate and intolerable. All of them were like that, Cloud obviously more than others. He was the closest to Aerith, which made it understandable that he was so depressed and this and that. It was understanable that he became bitter-- he lost someone important before his very eys, for Gods sakes.
Now, let's consider if Tifa died. I think that Cloud would of been just as bitter. Just as mournful, and especially just as guilty. (Being he PROMISED to protect Tifa). Of course, Tifa is living so that doesn't really matter.

um think I answered this earlier

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Cloud begins by saying that the problem he has isn't resolved because that can't 'retrieve lost lives'. He may be talking about not just Aerith, but Zack and others too, but Aerith is the person who immediately comes to mind when Cloud mentions 'lost lives'. That is what is affecting him the most, I think.

Hmm, think about that. In a sentence. "His problem is Aeris."
He feels that his guilt will never be washed away because he can never retrieve the lives of Aeris (and perhaps Zach) again, is what this is saying. Guilt is the problem that can never be resolved, lost lives are probably Aeris and Zach, as you said. We've ALREADY established that, and this proves nothing still.

no it isnt about guilt. lets read between the lines
it isnt about Cloud wanting to be forgiven its about knowing that he isnt alone even if those close to him are gone
I always bring this up so I'll use a quote instead
"the people and the friends that we have lost and the dreams that have faded.....

never forget them"

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Cloud then confesses to Tifa that he found Denzel at 'my place', Aerith's church, and that he thought that Aerith had led the child to him. This seems to by why Cloud is so close to Denzel, because he thinks that looking after him is what Aerith would have wanted.
When Tifa suggests that they both go to Aerith's church next time, Cloud is 'dubious'. This might be because he didn't expect her to suggest such a thing, or it might just be that he likes to be alone with his memories of Aerith there. ; )

How do YOU know for certain that Cloud feels dubious? How do you know that that is why Cloud feels close to Denzel, and how do YOU know that's what Aeris wanted? You don't.
Aeris obviously wants Cloud to move on and be happy, that's a definite fact. And even if watching Denzel is what Aeris wanted, and Cloud was fufilling her wishes, who wouldn't do the same for someone they cared about? Even if you weren't in LOVE with that person, you'd still fufill their wishes if you merely just cared about them.

and how do you know that Aerith wanted Cloud to move on
you are mistaken
that is not fact that Aerith wants Cloud to move on,
it is fact that she wants Cloud to forgive himself
but not nesscerliy moving on
because if she wanted him to move on why would she say
'you came for me and thats all that matters'

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This must be when Advent Children begins. We know that Cloud has contracted Geostigma, and this is part of the reason why he leaves. But if Cloud was deeply in love with Tifa, wouldn't he want to spend as much time as possible with her before Geostigma killed him? Wouldn't he fight it as hard as he could, as Denzel does, for her sake?

I find this statement... bizarre for some reason. Sarcasm ahead>>>Yes, he would spend his moments with the one he truly loved while something slowly ate away at his life, when he could obviously try LEAVING to go fix it, along with all of this other problems>_>;.<<< If Cloud wasn't 'deeply in love with Tifa', wouldn't he leave, and never come back? Why would he be willing to listen to what she has to say about things? In fact, why wouldn't he bring Tifa with him and endanger perhaps, her life and risk losing another important person in his life if he didn't care about her?
Hmmmmm.

here read this:

CloudxTifa supporters also like to claim that Cloud hasn't moved on because he feels that a relationship with Tifa would endanger her. Why would a relationship with Tifa endanger her? Aerith's plan to stop Sephiroth is what endangered her, not her relationship with Cloud. CloudxTifa supporters also like to argue that Cloud wouldn't feel that he can protect Tifa, since he was unable to protect Aerith. Why would Cloud feel that Tifa needs protection when she's able to fight so well? Why would Cloud feel that Tifa needed protection during the last two years while the Planet's been at peace? If Cloud is worried about Tifa's safety

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He leaves Seventh Heaven, Tifa, his family, and goes to live in Aerith's church. The place they first introduced themselves, and the place where he crashed through the roof into her flowerbed. The place where he agreed to protect her and be her bodyguard. I think this is the place where he feels closest to Aerith, and the place he wants to be after he learns he's dying. Not with his family, but with Aerith.

You do realize, you make Cloud seem utterly selfish? We know that he couldn't of JUST cared about Aeris, when he states to Sephiroth WHO is most important. (His friends, which includes possible lovers like Tifa and Aeris. This statement also means he cares about ALL of his friends more than anything, not just one person.) He agreed to protect Tifa too, in a promise. :/ He's done the 'bodyguard' thing for both girls. Of COURSE it's the place he feels the most connected with Aeris. And no, you don't know for certain that he wants to be there because of the fact that he's dying. You don't know for certain that he ONLY wanted to be with Aeris and not his whole family. If Cloud knew he could DIE at any moment, why would he even be traveling at all? Why wouldn't he make the church his SOUL haven? Why would he constantly leave and revisit, if he knew he could die at any time? If he REALLY wanted to be in the church if he died, he would of stayed there--- perminately. I notice that most of the things you listed aren't facts at all. THAT makes almost everything you said completely opinion based. (That's fine to have your opinion, but that's not PROOVING anything of the AerisXCloud realationship, and I think that's what you were attempting to do, correct?)

um not correct : c
thats not what I was trying to prove
as I said I just wanted to post someone's opinion on the way to a smile
um and thats all sweatdrop
also you didnt reply to the whole thing
next time please do instead of only some parts

Ever think that the phrase, "A love that could never be," could mean that one member of the party didnt return the love?

It was tifa

First of all Pink for being such an Aeris supporter I wouldn't think you to post such trash. This makes Aeris sound like a totally selfish b***h who wants Cloud to love her even thought he could never be happy because she's dead. Second just incase you forgot Aeris did leave Cloud alone for almost two years until he let his guilt trip got the better of him. In fact the first time she even talked to him again was when he went to the city of the Ancients in AC. Third Aeris was put in at the end to signify that all of Avalanche was there to help him fight. She also gave him powers from the life stream so that he could survive the huge ball of energy. This in no way was a romantic seen. Fourth this statement is pretty much saying that Aeris wants Cloud to be in love with her and there for doesn’t want Cloud to move on with Tifa. That’s just stupid. Of cores Aeris wants Cloud to move on with his life she even says. “You ok now Right?” and then proceeds to walk out with Zack by her side. I think SE is trying to make a hint on what couples they want together. Fifth, Cleris seem to make a big deal about Cloud living in Aeris’s Church well, here is something that you Cleris seem to forget. Cloud only started living in her church recently. For most of the two years he had been living with Tifa very happily and ever raising children with her. He was creating his new life with her like he said he would. He only started feeling guilty about Aeris and Zack when Cloud got that package came from Aeris’s foster mother. Sixth, Cloud was dying from Geostigma. he ran away because he didn’t want Tifa and the kids to know that he was dying. He didn’t want them to be sad for him. And for the seventh and final reason, if he really didn’t want to be with Tifa then why did he keep his cell phone with him for her to call him? And why would he listen to all of her messages including the one’s that were not about his deliveries? Not to mention that if he really wanted to be close to Aeris and far away from Tifa then why go to Aeris’s old church which is right next to New Midgar (Where Tifa and the Kids are)? Why not go and live in the City of the Ancients where he could be closest to Aeris? It’s because even thought he didn’t want Tifa and the kids to know that he was dying of Geostigma he still wanted to keep in contacted with them somehow.

Now about this commercial, you keep talking about ever notes the word love is by Aeris not Cloud. Meaning it was “Aeris’s love for Cloud that cloud never be.”



Agreed. Not to mention that most of your links are from fan sites and not SE material. If your trying to prove that CloudxAeris are cannon posting stuff from Cleris fan sites are not helping you win the argument.



Also agreed.

And pink take this into account. They already made an anime "Last Order" which is a Cloud and Tifa centered anime, and then in "DC" they show Cloud and Tifa fighting together and talking to each other not to mention still living togeather, and now there coming out with Crises Core centered around Zack and Aeris. Not to mention that SE has already stated that Tifa is like the girlfriend which is more then they ever said for Aeris. I think SE is going to great lengths to show who they want to be a couple.

OKAY, you didn't write the statement? So you're not even using your own material? Well, that just makes it seem even more of an unreliable source. How do YOU know they aren't lovers or a crush? How do I know they are? Neither of us do. The point I'm proving here, is that there are no TRUE facts in that material you simply copy pasted, and that until it is officially announced who Cloud's love interest is, none of us will REALLY know. It'd be nice if SOME of the stuff you copy pasted from was based on actual FACTS though. Also, even mere FRIENDS don't know everything about one another. Finding out more about that person also makes a FRIENDSHIP stronger as well. :/ I don't think Barret knows more about Tifa at all. I just don't think Cloud is a very 'Social' or 'Prying' type, do you?





I think that Cloud and Tifa know A LOT about eachother, they've always been very close, as the game SHOWS. It's just that, I think Cloud is not good at learning about others feelings and asking for help in great depth. The game SEEMS to show this. I think Cloud knows Tifa just as much as Barret does, if not, more. The material you didn't write, doesn't really make a point. :/ So Cloud didn't know ONE thing about her, and this makes you immediatly assume that Cloud doesn't know, in turn, anything about her at all? And who in the GAME ever said Barret was the correct one here? And, perhaps Tifa was trying to hide her feelings from Cloud, and that's why he didn't seem to know that it wasnt like her to be troubled. I didn't necessarily mean 'suprised', that's why I added that learning more and more about the other is what makes a realationship. Learning more about the persons FEELINGS and THOUGHTS, I mean.




Okay, I'm glad that you admit that this isn't fact. I respect your opinion, I would just like to know if you have a fact to support it, maybe? :/ If not, then how it seems can seem totally different to another, and there could be real facts to counter how this particular segment seems, anyways.






This again, is proving my ultimate point: None of us really knows, and for you to assume that these essays are telling a lot about the couple you support, is quite false, when other facts and opinions can indeed outweigh it. (Like your commercial. This is hardly a fact, and I agree with what the others said about it. )





Actually, one thing is a fact. That what you stated really gives no factual information about what you are trying to support. And again, I respect your input, but what are you basing it on? Answer me that one thing... PLEASE? Don't tell me you're basing all of your thoughts on copy pasted essays... That'd be quite absurd.




Did you not notice I was agreeing with you here? I was agreeing that this WAS why it was referred to as "where he and Aerith got seperated". Because he was the only one actually in front of her, at her exact time of death.



Despite what you say, I still think that Cloud does want to be forgiven. :/ It's obvious that he has some serious guilt until later on when he and Aeris are re-united in AC. Then, I think he feels that the guilt has been lifted. That quote, doesn't wash away the fact that he could still be guilty whilst never forgetting them.





I didn't mean move on from HER, I meant move on from his guilty/troubling feelings. I guess I should of clarifyed that earlier.




Yay, another copy pasted statement. And I can counter it, still. I am claiming such. I'm not saying it's the realationship that would endanger her, but that Cloud did not get Tifa involved with him leaving possibly because he didn't want her involved with his problems. He possibly didn't want her involved with the past that is upsetting him so much. Maybe, he doesn't want her to see him in the state that he is in. Why would Cloud feel Aerith needed protection when she was an Ancient? Aerith could ALSO fight. Cloud protected BOTH Tifa and Aerith during that journey. They both cared about Cloud and chose to fight alongside him, in which he allowed and protected them. Who said I assumed that Cloud thought Tifa needed his protection when the world was at peace? I'm saying he wants to distance her from his problem. Cloud IS worried about Tifa's safety, he's worried about everyone's, matter of factly. It's obvious he doesn't want anyone else to be lost.




I didn't reply to all of it, you had a lot of stuff, most of which I found irrelevant to reply to. :/ I left some of it out because I thought that I would merely be repeating what I already had stated. (Which I have already done, as you see.)
What ARE you trying to prove by posting someone's opinion then? How about posting your own, instead of copied things? It's obvious you support CloudXAerith, but why? You still haven't told me why, in your own words.
If you at any time claim you don't want to state your opinion because they have no facts to back them up, or because they are the same as these opinions, then it's clear that what these essays have said ARE what you were trying to prove.